Watched episodes 4-6 a couple times more. Forest Whittaker's story about the rhydo at the end of s2e5 was epic. He's so impressive. The entire show it great but he and Luthan's monologues are amazing.
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Saw's monologue reminded me of the arsonist in backdraft.
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.
We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
Just got done with 4-6….havent read any reactions here so here we go….
So far it's….interesting….but jeez this has been slower than last season…..
I remember loving the first season and when I heard other people complaining about its pace my immediate thought was, "What are you talking about!? This show is awesome!!"
But this season….man….i want to love it but so far I just kinda like it. We're half way through the second and final season and I feel like what they've accomplished could have been done much sooner….
Part of the issue is I thought the 4-6 episode arch was going to conclude with the Gormon massacre but instead it was just a heist to set it up further down the road…..
Hopefully episodes 7-9 are pretty epic cause I feel like the episodes 4-6 might have potentially lost casual fans…..
Hopefully I'm the minority and everyone else feels differently….
So far it's….interesting….but jeez this has been slower than last season…..
I remember loving the first season and when I heard other people complaining about its pace my immediate thought was, "What are you talking about!? This show is awesome!!"
But this season….man….i want to love it but so far I just kinda like it. We're half way through the second and final season and I feel like what they've accomplished could have been done much sooner….
Part of the issue is I thought the 4-6 episode arch was going to conclude with the Gormon massacre but instead it was just a heist to set it up further down the road…..
Hopefully episodes 7-9 are pretty epic cause I feel like the episodes 4-6 might have potentially lost casual fans…..
Hopefully I'm the minority and everyone else feels differently….
Really like catching the nuances after a second watch. In Episode 5, the scene in the ISB Board Room with Syril, Partagaz, and Dedra where they are discussing the Ghorman front, Syril makes the comment that "They're inexperienced but they're eager." Partagaz looks at Dedra and says "How often those attributes align."
As if he's saying, "Well, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black."
As if he's saying, "Well, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black."
I literally LOL'd when he made that comment
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.
We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
I felt Partagaz was definitely having a dig at both of them. Dedra was very much the same in S1
Partagaz almost seemed annoyed when he said, "Excellent work Syril."
As if he was thinking, "I can't believe I have to praise you for doing your job."
As if he was thinking, "I can't believe I have to praise you for doing your job."
I also like the parallel of Loni telling Partagaz they are arresting too many people and Luthen later telling Kleya they are drowning in too much information.
Here is an angle I hadn't thought of before. Some think that the Bix getting Ghorst is a drug induced "dream". Since that whole sequence is just after her using the drugs. Interesting, but I think it was probably an actual mission for them.
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.
We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
We are all caught up.YouBet said:
Stopped reading at 4/29 since we haven't watched the second batch of 3 episodes yet, but loved the first three. Totally fine with the pace. Mon's dread while all this superficial stuff is going on around her knowing her life is over is really good.
I simply can't look at Mon's husband and not see dbag Harry Ellis from Die Hard. Will catch up this weekend.
I think Bartagaz is my favorite character on this show. Love his snark. When that little dude gets all excited about his "promotion":
Bartagaz: "Really?! Calibrate your enthusiasm."
In our house, Kleya is "Mean Leia". Looks like Leia but always mad.
I've always assumed Syril would defect to the Rebels or at least that's been the setup since S1 IMO. I would be surprised if he doesn't unless that is one big false trail they've given us.
Also, I can't decide if the Rhodium engineer was actually an Imp spy or if Saw killed him simply out of practicality. I'm assuming the latter and Saw simply planted the evidence on him to convince the rest of the group.
(I'm only quoting myself because my brand-new PC doesn't work with TexAgs. I can't free post and have to quote someone else to post.)
Rhodium guy was definitely an imp. He asked too many questions. Notice he was trying to get information out of Wil about who trained him and where he got all his knowledge, like Saw, but he also tried to get Saw to give up the location he was planning to hit. He definitely seemed like he was stalling and digging.
Absolutely that was real. That's a cheap trick, and this show is above that kind of cliche expectation subversion.
Agreed. I actually thought it might be a dream too, but once the episode (and arc) ended on that, I knew it was real.
The fact that it happened was subversion enough. It's unexpected and it seems like it comes out of nowhere at first, but once you discuss or rewatch the episode, you see all the groundwork was laid out.
The fact that it happened was subversion enough. It's unexpected and it seems like it comes out of nowhere at first, but once you discuss or rewatch the episode, you see all the groundwork was laid out.
I hope it doesn't make it that far. He is all in on being about justice and order, and I think he will come to the realization that the Empire actually about power and control. I think he's gonna see it way too late and he will have become the sacrificial pawn that the Empire simply gets rid of.Quote:
I've always assumed Syril would defect to the Rebels or at least that's been the setup since S1 IMO. I would be surprised if he doesn't unless that is one big false trail they've given us.
I hope not. IMO the less dream sequences in this grounded spy/war thriller the better. Also, I hope the drug backstory also quickly ends. I want to see Andor an Bix off on missions kicking butt not checking into rehab and having interventions.
I think the drug thing is done and dusted.
I saw it as they wanted us to think Bix would keep falling more and more into drugs and that would be that, but then the final scene showed us that she got clean again and is back in the game.
It was a great subversion.
I saw it as they wanted us to think Bix would keep falling more and more into drugs and that would be that, but then the final scene showed us that she got clean again and is back in the game.
It was a great subversion.
Bix being clean, in top form and in love with Cassian will make it more impactful to Cassian's story when she dies.
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I kind of think that he and Dedra are setting Syril up to defect as the real fomenter of Ghorman. Keep feeding him information while Dedra keeps him at arm's length for the fun stuff and he keeps stewing on the outer rim until he realizes that identifies as a Ghorman and starts giving up lots of info on how the Empire organizes, he might even keep telling Dedra what he's doing, but they keep pushing him towards being a rebel.vmiaptetr said:
Partagaz almost seemed annoyed when he said, "Excellent work Syril."
As if he was thinking, "I can't believe I have to praise you for doing your job."
It's ironic that both The Empire and the Rebellion want the same thing from Ghorman - to be used for a singular purpose and then forgotten.
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Bix being clean, in top form and in love with Cassian will make it more impactful to Cassian's story when she dies.
….in Syril's arms.
Flashdiaz said:
Bix being clean, in top form and in love with Cassian will make it more impactful to Cassian's story when she dies.
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Absolutely that was real. That's a cheap trick, and this show is above that kind of cliche expectation subversion.
I don't know. If it wasn't a dream, how would she know how to work the torture machine thing? And then what was the point of the drug scenes? Cassian never even suspected she was on them and didn't even know she was using. And wouldn't that spell the end of Lonni? Empire would just have them both killed since they were the only ones who knew Gorst's location.
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Absolutely that was real. That's a cheap trick, and this show is above that kind of cliche expectation subversion.
I don't know. If it wasn't a dream, how would she know how to work the torture machine thing? And then what was the point of the drug scenes? Cassian never even suspected she was on them and didn't even know she was using. And wouldn't that spell the end of Lonni? Empire would just have them both killed since they were the only ones who knew Gorst's location.
Lonni has a lot of wiggle room, imo. He wasn't at that meeting, he can deny the other guy told him anything about, and then homeboy went and got blitzed at a party full of social elites. That's the best place for a spy to find a leaky faucet.
Its some lame crap like Rian Johnson tried to shoehorn into his star wars movie. ( I like his other movies, just hate last jedi)Fat Bottom Squirrels said:ABATTBQ11 said:
Absolutely that was real. That's a cheap trick, and this show is above that kind of cliche expectation subversion.
I don't know. If it wasn't a dream, how would she know how to work the torture machine thing? And then what was the point of the drug scenes? Cassian never even suspected she was on them and didn't even know she was using. And wouldn't that spell the end of Lonni? Empire would just have them both killed since they were the only ones who knew Gorst's location.
Shes on teh drugs because we are seeing the real impact of taking part in the rebellion. You dont have something horrible happen to you and just carry on like nothing happened, especialyl considering she had a second horribel thing happen. You take time to get over it, you deal with the emotional trauma of it.
He made a point to not attend the meeting where they debriefed everyone.
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Plus Lonni KNOWS they're going to do something with his info, so he's going to have all his bases covered. Like he can probably jangle his computer so it looks like he never read the briefing or some crap like that. Plus, he just did something that earned him Partagatz's favor. He's golden boy right now.redline248 said:
Lonni has a lot of wiggle room, imo. He wasn't at that meeting, he can deny the other guy told him anything about, and then homeboy went and got blitzed at a party full of social elites. That's the best place for a spy to find a leaky faucet.
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She knows how the machine worked because they explained the whole thing to her before strapping it on her over and over again in Season 1. It's not exactly rocket science to put something on your head and turn a knob.Fat Bottom Squirrels said:ABATTBQ11 said:
Absolutely that was real. That's a cheap trick, and this show is above that kind of cliche expectation subversion.
I don't know. If it wasn't a dream, how would she know how to work the torture machine thing? And then what was the point of the drug scenes? Cassian never even suspected she was on them and didn't even know she was using. And wouldn't that spell the end of Lonni? Empire would just have them both killed since they were the only ones who knew Gorst's location.
plus they blew his floor up about 5 minutes later
For me this concluded the debate. Made it seem very realPatAg said:
plus they blew his floor up about 5 minutes later
Also, there is going to be another year jump in time. They aren't going back to reveal Bix was dreaming
I think that Luthien 100% wants Ghorman to have a major catastrophe, that will bring more eyes to the Empire while also getting the rebellion more bodies and money.
He sure seemed like that is what he was alluding to when talking to Cassian after he came back from his op trip. Luthien wanted Cassian to spur them off and wanted the fall out to be big and noticable.
He sure seemed like that is what he was alluding to when talking to Cassian after he came back from his op trip. Luthien wanted Cassian to spur them off and wanted the fall out to be big and noticable.
Difference between thinking like a leader and a soldier. Leaders have to be willing to sacrifice people if it is necessary. Soldiers are more willing to sacrifice themselves to save others/comrades.
**** gets real tonight. Don't know any details but everyone says it's the best arc of the show.
Hype!
Hype!
Are they just releasing one episode tonight or three?
Year jump to 2 BBY.
Ghorman Massacre and Mon officially defecting should happen tonight and starting the official Rebel Alliance
Ghorman Massacre and Mon officially defecting should happen tonight and starting the official Rebel Alliance
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