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***** ANDOR SEASON 2 (Disney+, April 22 Debut) THREAD *****

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I'll take a slow run of Andor episodes over a fast paced series that features:
* cutesy aliens or people
* really inept bad guys who are supposed to be trained
* really stupid/out of character decisions by main protagonists
* Vespa speeders
* random spinning shots

That said…. Let's pick it up a notch!!
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I think Caspian leaving them on the planet is killing them. They have very little food and it's nasty. Big creatures are in the woods picking them off as well. This ain't Star Trek and those people don't have a Khan among them.
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Go Mon Go

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Did I invent when he took off that the moon with the pirates is Yavin 4, so wouldent they have to go back.
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AgBQ-00 said:

Cyril's mom drives me crazy.


Loved his girlfriend setting her straight. That needs to happen more in real life with overbearing moms towards their daughters most often.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I do think some stuff felt dragged out. Like Andor's time stranded on the planet and a ton of wedding scenes.

Could probably have been two episodes.


Agreed. Way too much with nothing going on. But still really enjoyed it. Super high quality.

Stealing the ship was great.

Also thought about the parallels of the empire wanting to exterminate a planet and the Nazi conference.
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Wildmen06 said:

Did I invent when he took off that the moon with the pirates is Yavin 4, so wouldent they have to go back.
it was definitely the moon. You can see the Massassi temples in the background. Which means that the Rebels didn't have a base yet, and probably chose the temples because of the big predators.

I think I finally put my finger on why that part felt flat. it's the sort of mishap that Han and Chewie would have gotten into - a smuggling deal gone wrong, Han ends up on one ship, Chewie on the other, and they come up with some wacky plan to get back to the Falcon.

The only misstep I ever thought Season 1 of Andor took was when Melshi and Cassian tried to steal the quad jumper from those big dopey aliens and were briefly captured, only to then be let go. This felt somewhat like that, odd pacing at a point in the show where the audience is begging you to hit the accelerator and show you what's next
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I think the jungle scene was put in there to show how unorganized the Rebellion is at this point. Think it fell a little flat, but necessary to set up how Cassian and others put it together the next three years.
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Apache said:

I'll take a slow run of Andor episodes over a fast paced series that features:
* cutesy aliens or people
* really inept bad guys who are supposed to be trained
* really stupid/out of character decisions by main protagonists
* Vespa speeders
* random spinning shots

That said…. Let's pick it up a notch!!


don't forget lightsaber fights that look like something out of a bad Kung fu movie
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I think it's probably some unrealistic expectations but I was a little underwhelmed with the first 3 episodes.

Not sure what I was expecting…

I didn't hate it. Didn't move me either.
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It was a little interesting that we're seeing our heroes have to do or experience horrible things - the loss of friends, marrying one's daughter to a gangster family for money, etc - without seeing examples of the Empire's evil. I wonder if the heroes will experience crises of confidence in whether they are doing the right thing and question their commitment to a rebellion that demands so much.

If that's the next arc, I suspect it will end with an act of incredible imperial cruelty (probably at Gorman) that will reaffirm the heroes' belief that the fight must be fought because no matter what it costs them because the costs of letting the empire win are even greater.

But overall… yeah. Slow start. And Chandrila is really into circles. Halfway through the final episode I was like "Ceremonies in circles, walking in circles, dancing in circles, doors in circles - I get it! They like circles!"
Thanks and gig'em
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I watched the first three episodes Tuesday and was left feeling uninspired. It seemed boring and dragged on in parts that needed to move faster.

I woke up Wednesday and, since my daughter was home from school sick, I watched again with her. I got a better feeling the second time. Some of the things in the first watch that I thought was pointless (Andor's time on planet with the infighting Rebels, the wedding stuff in Chandrilla) I realized that I think this stuff was necessary. My take away was that while the front line rebels are doing all the hard work, the background characters are also doing hard work, albeit in a different way.

All the rebellion characters are doing the work needed to move the rebellion forward and all are making sacrifices. What seems like it should be a joyous time for Mon Mothma is actually a huge sacrifice. She is sacrificing her daughter for funding the rebellion, and at the last minute is willing to "fail" if her daughter doesn't want to go through with the marriage.

I think the time Andor spent on planet was necessary because things moved how they had to move for Andor to escape. He had to be taken to his ship so he could get his blaster and make his escape. But, he had to manipulate the group holding him hostage to get a one on one situation.

Just my thoughts right now. Looking forward to the next few weeks but I do wish they had broken this up into three week arcs rather than releasing three episodes at a time.
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When season 1 came out, I quit watching after the first episode because I thought it was too slow. It wasn't until last year that I gave it another chance.

I've watched the entire season four more times since then. I'm not worried about it starting slow this time.
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Somewhere after this is all over, there needs to be a documentary about the character of Mon Mothma.

Her character is in one scene in ROTJ in 1983, nobody says what her name is, and she talks for 40 seconds, and then she's done. (I watched the scene this morning). She's never in the movie again.

Her character was prominent in the EU books and comics, becoming "Chief of State of the New Republic" for a long time in the post-ROTJ history that no longer exists. In the EU - she was leader of the New Republic for 12 years after Endor. She returned to the role briefly a few years later and died right before all the Vong stuff. She was in my second-favorite SW video game, Jedi Outcast as well as a few others of that era.

Then she was recast as Genevieve O'Reilly for Revenge of the Sith, but almost every shred of her existence is only in deleted scenes. That's 2005. But then in 2010, she shows up in the Clone Wars cartoons. Then she's in The Force Unleashed forming the Alliance with Bail Organa and Garm Bel Iblis.

Then back to real life in 2016 in Rogue One and you know the rest.

Assuming there is some actual in person exchange between her and Palpatine this year, which causes her to have to abandon everything she has on Coruscant and Chandrila, it really changes her lines in ROTJ - the idea that she knows when and where Palpatine will be, and has a shot to take him out, is pretty neat to consider.
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The Original Houston 1836 said:

Somewhere after this is all over, there needs to be a documentary about the character of Mon Mothma.

Her character is in one scene in ROTJ in 1983, nobody says what her name is, and she talks for 40 seconds, and then she's done. (I watched the scene this morning). She's never in the movie again.

Her character was prominent in the EU books and comics, becoming "Chief of State of the New Republic" for a long time in the post-ROTJ history that no longer exists. In the EU - she was leader of the New Republic for 12 years after Endor. She returned to the role briefly a few years later and died right before all the Vong stuff. She was in my second-favorite SW video game, Jedi Outcast as well as a few others of that era.

Then she was recast as Genevieve O'Reilly for Revenge of the Sith, but almost every shred of her existence is only in deleted scenes. That's 2005. But then in 2010, she shows up in the Clone Wars cartoons. Then she's in The Force Unleashed forming the Alliance with Bail Organa and Garm Bel Iblis.

Then back to real life in 2016 in Rogue One and you know the rest.

Assuming there is some actual in person exchange between her and Palpatine this year, which causes her to have to abandon everything she has on Coruscant and Chandrila, it really changes her lines in ROTJ - the idea that she knows when and where Palpatine will be, and has a shot to take him out, is pretty neat to consider.


I think I saw a reference in a previous post but in Rebels do they show her throwing down the gauntlet and publicly calling out the Empire? Isn't it some Galaxy wide holo-blast or am I misremembering?

The ability for the EU and later prequels/sequels/cartoons to take background characters and flesh out their stories like a bunch of fan fiction is pretty incredible.

Is Bel Iblis in the OT or was he just a Zahn creation that got used in Rebels?
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ChipFTAC01 said:

The Original Houston 1836 said:

Somewhere after this is all over, there needs to be a documentary about the character of Mon Mothma.

Her character is in one scene in ROTJ in 1983, nobody says what her name is, and she talks for 40 seconds, and then she's done. (I watched the scene this morning). She's never in the movie again.

Her character was prominent in the EU books and comics, becoming "Chief of State of the New Republic" for a long time in the post-ROTJ history that no longer exists. In the EU - she was leader of the New Republic for 12 years after Endor. She returned to the role briefly a few years later and died right before all the Vong stuff. She was in my second-favorite SW video game, Jedi Outcast as well as a few others of that era.

Then she was recast as Genevieve O'Reilly for Revenge of the Sith, but almost every shred of her existence is only in deleted scenes. That's 2005. But then in 2010, she shows up in the Clone Wars cartoons. Then she's in The Force Unleashed forming the Alliance with Bail Organa and Garm Bel Iblis.

Then back to real life in 2016 in Rogue One and you know the rest.

Assuming there is some actual in person exchange between her and Palpatine this year, which causes her to have to abandon everything she has on Coruscant and Chandrila, it really changes her lines in ROTJ - the idea that she knows when and where Palpatine will be, and has a shot to take him out, is pretty neat to consider.


I think I saw a reference in a previous post but in Rebels do they show her throwing down the gauntlet and publicly calling out the Empire? Isn't it some Galaxy wide holo-blast or am I misremembering?

The ability for the EU and later prequels/sequels/cartoons to take background characters and flesh out their stories like a bunch of fan fiction is pretty incredible.

Is Bel Iblis in the OT or was he just a Zahn creation that got used in Rebels?
You're right, Mon Mothma is huge In Rebels, I dont know why I forgot that.
Bel Iblis first appears in "Dark Force Rising" by Zahn in the 1990s and is prominent in a lot of the EU throughout. I don't think he's in Rebels or any other animated stuff. He was in The Force Unleashed video game.
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I don't drop the screen very often, but they could have done a theatrical release for this.
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Not sure how articles like this hope to instill credibility when they say Cassian steals a prototype X-Wing….


https://www.nme.com/reviews/tv-reviews/andor-season-2-review-rogue-one-diego-luna-star-wars-3855923
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After sitting on it for a day of watching all 3 episodes...I'm excited about the rest of the episodes. The fueding rebels was pretty poingiant to me in it showed how chaotic the cells are. They are so hunted and so disjointed they don't know who to trust even I their own groups.
Seeing Syril and Dedra in a relationship setting was so strange.
I think Bix is going to wreck shop. But I'm afraid she meets her demise at some point. Was sad to see Brasso die.
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I re-watched them today, and it was better than the first time around. I caught things I didn't get before. Seemed to all make more sense. This thread discussion probably contributed to that as well.
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I don't remember this from Season 1 - behind the scenes with cast and crew from the first 3 episodes and some great BTS footage.

To walk into that set and see that TIE ... sigh

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Bit of a slow start, like season 1. I'm sure it will pick up.

So is there a time jump after these first three episodes?
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AgBQ-00 said:

Haven't started the 2nd season yet, but wasn't one of the main complaints at the beginning of the 1st season was that it was so slow? We later praise it because of the slow burn building of it. Going in with hope that this season maintains that level of building and tension and catharsis
Im going to finish reading everyone elses thoughts, but I am 100% having deja vu. This is exactly how the first season went, people complaining about episodes and things being slow or feeling pointless.
Then the season ends and they all realize it was all needed and brilliant.
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Anyone feel like giving a rundown of what was/is happening with Mon and her childhood friend? I get the gist, but I'm sure I'm missing details.
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double aught said:

Anyone feel like giving a rundown of what was/is happening with Mon and her childhood friend? I get the gist, but I'm sure I'm missing details.
She was moving a lot of money around before the first season and early on to fund Rebel activities.
Then that start getting watched by ISB.
She enlisted her boy Tay to help cover up some suspicious money movement and start a foundation, which is also funding the Rebellion. He introduced her to the guy who looks like a jack o lantern to take out a huge loan, and which led to her daughter marrying Jackolantern Jr. That guy is a gangster.
This year we find Tay freaked out, getting divorced, having lost a lot of money, getting blasted at the engagement dinner, and wanting to be compensated by Mon Mothma for the losses he incurred doing her financial gymnastics.
Much like Peter Littlefinger with Ser Dontos before him, Luthien realized that no matter what number Tay and Mon agree on as recompensation, it's never going to be enough and he can't be trusted, so he calls in Cinta to take him on a one-way trip to Deadsville after the wedding
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I was having issues picking up the conversation there as well. Not sure if my tv settings are off or I'm going deaf, but it was hard to follow. As best I can tell though is the rebellion has hit his finances pretty hard because it is causing a downturn in business and he is feeling "unappreciated". That opens a HUGE vulnerability. Not sure if there were romantic undertones to that or not. Mon's husband sure thinks she's stepping out though.
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Thanks bros. Just what I was looking for.
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I watched the first 3 episodes one a night since Tuesday.

My initial impression was much like my initial impression of each episode of Season 1. Slow. But this is not to say that is bad. Far from it. If Season 1 proves anything, it proves that viewers need to give this thing time. While I was admittedly losing a bit of interest during both the Cassian capture sequence and the wedding stuff, I feel like all of that will be meaningful in the development of this story. And like Season 1, Season 2 will be viewed as a great series.

I am thinking of binging the first 3 episodes tomorrow, but I might hold off and binge the entire season once it has all aired.
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I've got to ask...anyone else feel like the attempted rape of Bix went too far for a star wars show?
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The first time I watched it, not really.

The second time I watched it, it seemed more intense. It's a heavy scene.
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Quote:

I've got to ask...anyone else feel like the attempted rape of Bix went too far for a star wars show?
No. There has been death and cold blooded murder since "A New Hope". Was that not too far?
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AgBQ-00 said:

I've got to ask...anyone else feel like the attempted rape of Bix went too far for a star wars show?


I thought it was fine. It was tense but there was no physical contact (other than the ass beatings they both took) so Iwas.ok with it. I was a little worried at the beginning where they were going but it was just a violent fight scene at the end of the day.
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I get the grittiness and the realism of it. It brings home the evil of the situation. It was really heavy as said above. Was just jarring and shocking for me. Felt sick watching it.
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AgBQ-00 said:

I get the grittiness and the realism of it. It brings home the evil of the situation. It was really heavy as said above. Was just jarring and shocking for me. Felt sick watching it.
Sounds like it had the exact intended effect.

Andor, above any other thing SW has ever done, makes you feel the anger and the rage and the bitterness of what life under the Empire would be. And from those emotions comes the inevitable resistance. Braso tying the security shuttle down, the kid whose dad got taken, making the homemade bomb to take out the Imperial command base, all the prisoners deciding they'd rather die fighting than live working for the Empire.

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Watched all the episodes again. Picked up a few things here and there but agree it didn't feel as slow this time through. But until we see a little more development it felt like a lot of time spent on the wedding and jungle captivity.

The tie fighter is awesome.
 
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