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FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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That that much is left of the helo is surprising given the size of the fireball. If there is that much left they may yet be able to recover important clues from it.

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BankerFarmer said:

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I'm wondering if the Helicopter Pilots saw the plane that was taking off in the video and mistaken that for the plane they were supposed to be passing behind. Tower instructed them to do this. That would pull their attention away from the actual jet coming in.(eyes looking wrong way) maybe see it at the very last second too late to do anything.

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titan said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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That that much is left of the helo is surprising given the size of the fireball. If there is that much left they may yet be able to recover important clues from it.

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FireAg said:

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titan said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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That that much is left of the helo is surprising given the size of the fireball. If there is that much left they may yet be able to recover important clues from it.

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That much remaining of the helo, coupled with reporting that the plane apparently split into two main piece, makes it sound like the helo hit the side of the plane…the plane didn't plow into it head on…

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FTAG 2000 said:

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BankerFarmer said:

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I'm wondering if the Helicopter Pilots saw the plane that was taking off in the video and mistaken that for the plane they were supposed to be passing behind. Tower instructed them to do this. That would pull their attention away from the actual jet coming in.(eyes looking wrong way) maybe see it at the very last second too late to do anything.

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I agree with this idea. Problem is the ATC should have seen them all on radar and advised chopper to wait for plane on left to pass. Not just say 'do you see a plane'.

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FWAppraiser said:

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Again, I know nothing about aviation, but why in the hell would they be doing training near such a busy runway and at night? Seems like a monumentally bad idea.

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BankerFarmer said:

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I'm wondering if the Helicopter Pilots saw the plane that was taking off in the video and mistaken that for the plane they were supposed to be passing behind. Tower instructed them to do this. That would pull their attention away from the actual jet coming in.(eyes looking wrong way) maybe see it at the very last second too late to do anything.

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EX TEXASEX said:

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Fron the link I posted earlier. they are quoting CNN who was told by lawenforcement that NO survivors have been pulled from the water yet. Not surprised info is all over the place.

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titan said:

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Why don't they have alarmed reactions "Omigod---" from the helo if it saw them and tried to evade? Didn't a post here say that traffic control had them on audio but not hearing anything?

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Fron the link I posted earlier. they are quoting CNN who was told by lawenforcement that NO survivors have been pulled from the water yet. Not surprised info is all over the place.

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Anyone not pulled out in 20 minutes died of hypothermia. If they survived the fall

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titan said:

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FireAg said:

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titan said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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That that much is left of the helo is surprising given the size of the fireball. If there is that much left they may yet be able to recover important clues from it.

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That much remaining of the helo, coupled with reporting that the plane apparently split into two main piece, makes it sound like the helo hit the side of the plane…the plane didn't plow into it head on…

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Yeah.....Which puts us right back to intentional because it does accelerate it seems, and does lift it seems. Hmm....

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Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar sources. Shared to me anonymously.

The CA is “Collision Alert” which is not imminent collision, rather a tool used to bring extra attention from the Air Traffic Controllers. pic.twitter.com/yeXgIAcQWJ

— avgeekjake (@avgeekjake) January 30, 2025

FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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annie88 said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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Don't know if it's true, but some reports saying that many of the passengers were still strapped in their seats underwater, which wouldn't be surprising. But take that with a grain of salt. Because we don't know.

Just a horrible, horrible thing. And the night time is making it so much harder to deal with.

Many of the people on Titanic survived the sinking but the water got them. So the cold water absolutely making this even more tragic, if that's possible.

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FTAG 2000 said:

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annie88 said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.

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Don't know if it's true, but some reports saying that many of the passengers were still strapped in their seats underwater, which wouldn't be surprising. But take that with a grain of salt. Because we don't know.

Just a horrible, horrible thing. And the night time is making it so much harder to deal with.

Many of the people on Titanic survived the sinking but the water got them. So the cold water absolutely making this even more tragic, if that's possible.

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I'm a dive instructor on the side of my day job. Just doing quick math on the water there at 35 degrees.

Anyone who survived into the water had two minutes to get their bearings before cold water shock and hypothermia started to set in. Which means loss of spatial awareness and full motor control. If they got out of the plane they had 25-30 minutes depending on body weight to get pulled out of water before succumbing to water temps.

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GAC06 said:

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My way too early guess at what most likely happened:

The helo saw the jet landing Rwy 1 and misidentified it as the traffic they were to pass behind. The PSA crew were task loaded with the runway change and were looking mostly forward and left at the field while the helo was crossing from the right.

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm really falling to understand why ATC wasn't continuously screaming their heads off 15 to 20 seconds before the collision. Maybe they were and I missed it.

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GAC06 said:

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My way too early guess at what most likely happened:

The helo saw the jet landing Rwy 1 and misidentified it as the traffic they were to pass behind. The PSA crew were task loaded with the runway change and were looking mostly forward and left at the field while the helo was crossing from the right.

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm really falling to understand why ATC wasn't continuously screaming their heads off 15 to 20 seconds before the collision. Maybe they were and I missed it.

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FireAg said:

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Is it wrong that I'm hoping accident and not the alternative?

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HtownAg19 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm really falling to understand why ATC wasn't continuously screaming their heads off 15 to 20 seconds before the collision. Maybe they were and I missed it.

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Helicopter reported CRJ in sight and were instructed to fly behind it. From that far away in the tower at night there's no way they would've been able to see they were on a direct course for the plane

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