regional jet crash? (American Airlines) at Reagan (DCA)

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11:55p, 1/29/25
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Wow, Duffy just got sworn in.
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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 11:57p, 1/29/25
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chickencoupe16 said:
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Coppell97 said:
For all the good of Trump, he often says what he thinks almost as soon as he thinks it. He might as well have copied and pasted from this thread.
That's certainly a risk, and I hope not. Its way too soon if so. HOWEVER, for all we know he has a fourth or fifth video closer to the quality of the Francis Scott Key bridge one ---- which makes clear what he is saying is true. Even one of these just a good bit closer would have been enough for me to tell if either T-boned the other. But we are too far away. Maybe he has seen one that is better?
He could have. Who knows? He could have the heads of the alphabet agencies standing in the Oval Office right now. He could also be scrolling through X as he lays in bed.

This is a big deal to us, but I'm not sure it moves the needle for the President quite as much. I imagine him seeing it on X, sending a few texts for details, maybe making a call or two, and then tweeting right before he falls asleep.

P.S. Can I still say tweeting? Should it be X-ing?
Good question. My understanding is they are still called `tweets' and X is the name of platform just as his space corps is Space X. Its a signet with him. The transmission terms haven't yet been re-named (nor need to be ) as far as know.

As for Trump, would not be surprised if he has immediately available a better closer video provided, but maybe not much more than that yet.
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11:57p, 1/29/25
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Sean Duffy first day on the job
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In reply to annie88 • 11:58p, 1/29/25
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annie88 said:
FTAG 2000 said:
Per NBC 4 Washington: both crash sites located.

Wrecks are closer to Anacostia-Bolling side of the Potomac. CRJ is "split in 2" in about 7 feet of water. The helicopter is bobbing upside down, varying between submerged and not. Divers are in the water and searching.

Water temp is 35 degrees. Roughly 25 minutes too before anyone alive in the water would die from hypothermia. They aren't pulling anyone out of the river alive at this point.
Don't know if it's true, but some reports saying that many of the passengers were still strapped in their seats underwater, which wouldn't be surprising. But take that with a grain of salt. Because we don't know.

Just a horrible, horrible thing. And the night time is making it so much harder to deal with.

Many of the people on Titanic survived the sinking but the water got them. So the cold water absolutely making this even more tragic, if that's possible.
remember this...


same cold water

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12:01a, 1/30/25
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First picture of the wreckage I've seen.
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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 12:02a, 1/30/25
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chickencoupe16 said:
titan said:
chickencoupe16 said:
Coppell97 said:
For all the good of Trump, he often says what he thinks almost as soon as he thinks it. He might as well have copied and pasted from this thread.
That's certainly a risk, and I hope not. Its way too soon if so. HOWEVER, for all we know he has a fourth or fifth video closer to the quality of the Francis Scott Key bridge one ---- which makes clear what he is saying is true. Even one of these just a good bit closer would have been enough for me to tell if either T-boned the other. But we are too far away. Maybe he has seen one that is better?
He could have. Who knows? He could have the heads of the alphabet agencies standing in the Oval Office right now. He could also be scrolling through X as he lays in bed.

This is a big deal to us, but I'm not sure it moves the needle for the President quite as much. I imagine him seeing it on X, sending a few texts for details, maybe making a call or two, and then tweeting right before he falls asleep.

P.S. Can I still say tweeting? Should it be X-ing?
Truthing.
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In reply to InfantryAg • 12:06a, 1/30/25
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I actually posted that exact video on the first or second page of this thread. I absolutely remember that coming home from high school and watching that and as I said earlier, remember the guy who pushed the rope over so they could save a lady and he ended up drowning. That one happened the daytime so they could see better. This one being at night is making it even worse. It's still amazing that anybody survived that.
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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 12:07a, 1/30/25
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chickencoupe16 said:
Coppell97 said:
For all the good of Trump, he often says what he thinks almost as soon as he thinks it. He might as well have copied and pasted from this thread.
OMG! President Trump now follows TexAgs just like SEC Shorts!
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In reply to ETFan • 12:11a, 1/30/25
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Thank you. That was good info.
The crash supposedly occurred at 400'.

ETA: crash at 400' MSL clearly puts UH60 PIC in error. I'm still surprised Tower wasn't more urgent and earlier in his attempted intervention. I do realize he was somewhat busy.
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12:11a, 1/30/25
Press conference has said a whole lot of nothing, other than DCA will be closed until at least 11AM.

Although that really isn't a surprise. First press conferences are often worthless.

The first NTSB press conference will be much more informative.
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In reply to Charlie 31 • 12:12a, 1/30/25
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Charlie 31 said:
chickencoupe16 said:
Coppell97 said:
For all the good of Trump, he often says what he thinks almost as soon as he thinks it. He might as well have copied and pasted from this thread.
OMG! President Trump now follows TexAgs just like SEC Shorts!
We're famous!!!


Honestly, if he reads any forums then I'd bet F16 is close to the top
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12:16a, 1/30/25
Might've had somebody's playlist piped into the headsets and were cruising and oblivious to the collision warning.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 12:17a, 1/30/25
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Closed until 11am Friday
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12:19a, 1/30/25
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Incredibly tragic situation
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In reply to Catag94 • 12:27a, 1/30/25
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Catag94 said:
Thank you. That was good info.
The crash supposedly occurred at 400'.

ETA: crash at 400' MSL clearly puts UH60 PIC in error. I'm still surprised Tower wasn't more urgent and earlier in his attempted intervention. I do realize he was somewhat busy.


375'. Final approach. On chopper pilots and ATC.
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In reply to TxAG#2011 • 12:29a, 1/30/25
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TxAG#2011 said:
Why on earth would any aircraft ever be allowed through the flight path of a major commercial airport relying on visuals...

Sickening stuff


This.
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12:37a, 1/30/25
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Interesting analysis.

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12:37a, 1/30/25
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In reply to FWAppraiser • 12:39a, 1/30/25
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FWAppraiser said:
Disclaimer: I know nothing about any of this. But why would the helicopter turn right if they were instructed to go behind the jet? And why did they increase their altitude and speed when approaching the jet?



If these altitudes are accurate, the Army UH60 at this altitude is a problem. Thanks to ETFan posting the helicopter route chart above, we now know the UH60 is required to be at or below 100' MSL in this area along route 4 which is to follow the east bank of the river. So, the right hand turn and apparent climb is also suspect. I'm not suggesting it was intensional, just quite irresponsible given the route details.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 12:42a, 1/30/25
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MarkTwain said:


Nothing suspicious. If anything the AA Pilots saw the chopper last second and tried to bank to Miss.

The sparks on underside were chopper blades hitting fuselage underside.
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In reply to Catag94 • 12:59a, 1/30/25
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Catag94 said:
FWAppraiser said:
Disclaimer: I know nothing about any of this. But why would the helicopter turn right if they were instructed to go behind the jet? And why did they increase their altitude and speed when approaching the jet?



If these altitudes are accurate, the Army UH60 at this altitude is a problem. Thanks to ETFan posting the helicopter route chart above, we now know the UH60 is required to be at or below 100' MSL in this area along route 4 which is to follow the east bank of the river. So, the right hand turn and apparent climb is also suspect. I'm not suggesting it was intensional, just quite irresponsible given the route details.
Is that where the inexperience and lack of training might explain as well as any deliberate act?
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1:05a, 1/30/25
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I have worried about this exact scenario with the site seeing helicopters flying all around the Vegas airport ..the HCs pretty much stay on the left side of the airport but after they take off they cut across to go out to the dam and the lake …. Those things are buzzing around everywhere, I've seen them from my planes window many times
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 1:11a, 1/30/25
FTAG 2000 said:
MarkTwain said:
Nothing suspicious. If anything the AA Pilots saw the chopper last second and tried to bank to Miss.

The sparks on underside were chopper blades hitting fuselage underside.
Would be wild if the banking as an evasive maneuver ended up actually causing the collision.

It's either that, or maintain course and speed and Cole Trickle it.
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In reply to annie88 • 1:14a, 1/30/25
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annie88 said:
I actually posted that exact video on the first or second page of this thread. I absolutely remember that coming home from high school and watching that and as I said earlier, remember the guy who pushed the rope over so they could save a lady and he ended up drowning. That one happened the daytime so they could see better. This one being at night is making it even worse. It's still amazing that anybody survived that.
Sorry, I missed that post.

That guy was a real hero for sure.
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1:20a, 1/30/25
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I am not a pilot, but air traffic has always fascinated me. I often wish I would have chosen a path to ATC, but it was too late for me.

Anyway…listening back to the footage from DCA Tower is haunting. This flight was on the mount vernon approach to runway 1. When pilot switched to tower from approach and advised such, tower asked him if he would be willing to take runway 33 instead. He paused and then accepted it.

The plane before him on frequency was offered the same and rejected it.

I don't like what ifs, but man….had he rejected it too, this is avoided. So sad and tragic all around.
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1:34a, 1/30/25
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Looks like three Soldiers reported onboard the Blackhawk for training.

That means two pilots and one crew chief.

The amount of Blackhawk crashes are getting ridiculous. They need to launch a serious investigation to that platform.

I have lost 4 friends in three different crashes over the span from 2020-2024. 2 of my best friends were piloting a Blackhawk on a resupply mission that went down overseas, one buddy was killed when two Blackhawks collided at night during training at Campbell and one was in the 160th and his bird went down overseas too.

My heart goes out to all involved. Hopefully the Army does something.
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1:43a, 1/30/25
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The Go Team for PSA is already in the air. Looks like AA's is leaving soon as well

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/JIA9961
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2:04a, 1/30/25
Being reported that multiple members of the US figure skating team were onboard the plane.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 2:54a, 1/30/25
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Being reported that multiple members of the US figure skating team were onboard the plane.
Wife sent me this, she's a big figure skating fan and is following the news.

Russian figure skaters Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov were on board the passenger plane that crashed in Washington the United States.

The couple were flying from the championship, which was held in the city of Wichita.

Preliminary, Inna Volyanskaya could also have been on board. She coached the Ashburn Ice House team from Virginia. The plane split into two parts when it fell. Bad weather is complicating the search operation.

Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov were born in Leningrad, competed as a pair in the USSR and Russian national teams, and won the World Championship in 1994.


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3:03a, 1/30/25
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Note: This is not live radar, but rather a playback of recorded ATC data. I don't know how to verify this, but it looks authentic.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 3:52a, 1/30/25
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FriscoKid said:
TxAG#2011 said:
Why on earth would any aircraft ever be allowed through the flight path of a major commercial airport relying on visuals...

Sickening stuff
This.
Not my area but per a.net discussion apparently TCAS (traffic collision avoidance) is 'suppressed' below a certain altitude (maybe 200 feet for helo's and 1000 for fixed wing aircraft?). Joint Base Andrew's (where the 89th military airlift/marine 1 unit bases their stuff out of locally) is only a few miles from Reagan Nat'l. Theory is presently I guess that the Blackhawk pilot visually spotted a larger aircraft landing further from him, but missed the CRJ.

There are some snide remarks about helo's routinely violating airspace though around/near airports such as Reagan. If that's even an irregular problem it needs to be cleaned up, self-evidently. Still, this breaks a 16-year streak since a fatal airliner accident in the US, sadly.
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The helicopter looks to have been following Route 1 to Route 4. The altitude restrictions along these two routes from the Memorial Bridge to the Woodrow Wilson Bridge is 200 feet and below and hugging the east side of the Potomac.

I've flown this Route a few times, once at night, probably 20 years ago and we were always down around 100-150 feet. I'd guess the helo was higher than it was supposed to be, and also was looking at the wrong aircraft when they told ATC they had traffic in sight.

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In reply to Pinochet • 3:54a, 1/30/25
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In reply to bthotugigem05 • 4:09a, 1/30/25
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bthotugigem05 said:
ATC = Air Traffic Control
CRJ-700 = the airline jet involved (stands for Canadair Regional Jet, although now own by Bombardier)
PSA = haven't seen this yet, but the jet was operated by PSA on behalf of American Airlines under their American Eagle brand.
DCA = one of the three airports in the Washington DC area. Today it is called Reagan National Airport, and if you ever call it Reagan around someone who lived there before the name changed they will immediately reply "oh you mean National?"
VMC = minimum control speed
Class B = this isn't an acronym but refers to Class B airspace, which exists around most large airports in the USA.



Vmc = visual meteorological conditions in which VFR = visual flight rules apply
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In reply to ETFan • 4:14a, 1/30/25
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Helicopter was ascending to 350'+ at time of crash. Tragic mistake.
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In reply to Catag94 • 4:19a, 1/30/25
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Catag94 said:
Thank you. That was good info.
The crash supposedly occurred at 400'.

ETA: crash at 400' MSL clearly puts UH60 PIC in error. I'm still surprised Tower wasn't more urgent and earlier in his attempted intervention. I do realize he was somewhat busy.


The departure procedures alone don't necessarily put him at fault. They could have been given different altitude restrictions by ATC.
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