Bunk Moreland said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Jbob04 said:

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Maybe she got put into her position due to her ties to Biden? Who knows but it's clear she wasn't qualified to be flying that helo that night.

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She was qualified and signed off as a pilot in command by senior aviators. She was top 20% of all ROTC cadets nationwide. Degree from UNC Chapel Hill. Completed BOLC, IERW, and advanced airframe at Fort Rucker, AL. You quite literally have no idea what you are talking about.

Hope this helps.

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And she flew her chopper into a passenger jet

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Her alone huh?

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sts7049 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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breaking news. humans make mistakes.

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fc2112 said:

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sts7049 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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breaking news. humans make mistakes.

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Three highly trained and competent individuals, simultaneously.

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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No, SHE didn't. A Blackhawk had a mid-air collision. You don't know who was on the controls and neither do I. I do know there was a crew on board and two pilots that both had access to the controls were killed when their helicopter struck another aircraft. There is nothing to indicate, as you insinuate, that it was intentional.

If she was on the controls and as poor of a pilot as you believe, how was she skilled enough to hit another aircraft?

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stetson said:

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1. The instructor pilot was the pilot in command and, thus, the one responsible for the aircraft.
2. Females do get preferential treatment in the military. I remember men getting bumped for the Apache qualification course while females were fast-tracked because the Army was told to get females into Apache cockpits. I don't think this has changed.

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fc2112 said:

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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No, SHE didn't. A Blackhawk had a mid-air collision. You don't know who was on the controls and neither do I. I do know there was a crew on board and two pilots that both had access to the controls were killed when their helicopter struck another aircraft. There is nothing to indicate, as you insinuate, that it was intentional.

If she was on the controls and as poor of a pilot as you believe, how was she skilled enough to hit another aircraft?

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I said nothing about intentionality. I think those suggesting this was insertional are insane.

But she did fly directly into an airliner and kill 147 people.

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aTmAg said:

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It doesn't take skill to accidentally hit another aircraft.

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Outlaw0206 said:

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stetson said:

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1. The instructor pilot was the pilot in command and, thus, the one responsible for the aircraft.
2. Females do get preferential treatment in the military. I remember men getting bumped for the Apache qualification course while females were fast-tracked because the Army was told to get females into Apache cockpits. I don't think this has changed.

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Can promise you that is not the case now days. Only people who get fast tracked are guard pilots because the state is footing the bill. Everyone else waits their turn.

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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No, SHE didn't. A Blackhawk had a mid-air collision. You don't know who was on the controls and neither do I. I do know there was a crew on board and two pilots that both had access to the controls were killed when their helicopter struck another aircraft. There is nothing to indicate, as you insinuate, that it was intentional.

If she was on the controls and as poor of a pilot as you believe, how was she skilled enough to hit another aircraft?

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I said nothing about intentionality. I think those suggesting this was insertional are insane.

But she did fly directly into an airliner and kill 147 people.

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I apologize if I misunderstood. There is so much poor conjecture and uniformed opinions that they start to rin together.

Again, how do you know which pilot was on the controls?

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jrdaustin said:

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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No, SHE didn't. A Blackhawk had a mid-air collision. You don't know who was on the controls and neither do I. I do know there was a crew on board and two pilots that both had access to the controls were killed when their helicopter struck another aircraft. There is nothing to indicate, as you insinuate, that it was intentional.

If she was on the controls and as poor of a pilot as you believe, how was she skilled enough to hit another aircraft?

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I said nothing about intentionality. I think those suggesting this was insertional are insane.

But she did fly directly into an airliner and kill 147 people.

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I apologize if I misunderstood. There is so much poor conjecture and uniformed opinions that they start to rin together.

Again, how do you know which pilot was on the controls?

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Listening to the audio between the ATC and the helo, the male pilot was the one that acknowledged twice that the RJ was in sight.

Not sure if that is an indicator that he has the stick, but to assume the female Captain did is disingenuous and trying too hard to force a narrative.

fc2112, give it a rest.

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aggiehawg said:

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Thanks for posting that. Super helpful, lots of information presented in a layman friendly narrative.

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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stetson said:

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1. The instructor pilot was the pilot in command and, thus, the one responsible for the aircraft.
2. Females do get preferential treatment in the military. I remember men getting bumped for the Apache qualification course while females were fast-tracked because the Army was told to get females into Apache cockpits. I don't think this has changed.

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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AggieFlyboy said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of highly skilled aviators make stupid mistakes. Some costing them the aircraft or their lives. Sadly in this case, it cost 67 more

The way forward is to learn from those mistakes and take actions that help prevent those mistakes from happening again

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GAC06 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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They flew into the path of an airliner that was coming from their left

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MarkTwain said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Thanks for posting that. Super helpful, lots of information presented in a layman friendly narrative.

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This explanation he laid out could explain the altitude issue

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txags92 said:

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GAC06 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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They flew into the path of an airliner that was coming from their left

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Technical the airliner flew into their path since the chopper hit the side of the airliner.

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Jbob04 said:

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txags92 said:

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GAC06 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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They flew into the path of an airliner that was coming from their left

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Technical the airliner flew into their path since the chopper hit the side of the airliner.

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The helo had requested visual separation so it was their responsibility to avoid any traffic.

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MarkTwain said:

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GAC06 said:

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That's not how the video looks to me

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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fc2112 said:

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AggieFlyboy said:

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People don't understand military aviation. At 300 hrs total flight time, I was flying combat missions in Afghanistan. At 700 hrs I was sitting left seat. Military flight training is a crucible; there is a reason the FAA allows airlines to hire a military pilot at 750 hrs vs the 1500 required for non-military

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And yet she flew straight into an airliner right in front of her.

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No, SHE didn't. A Blackhawk had a mid-air collision. You don't know who was on the controls and neither do I. I do know there was a crew on board and two pilots that both had access to the controls were killed when their helicopter struck another aircraft. There is nothing to indicate, as you insinuate, that it was intentional.

If she was on the controls and as poor of a pilot as you believe, how was she skilled enough to hit another aircraft?

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I said nothing about intentionality. I think those suggesting this was insertional are insane.

But she did fly directly into an airliner and kill 147 people.

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I apologize if I misunderstood. There is so much poor conjecture and uniformed opinions that they start to rin together.

Again, how do you know which pilot was on the controls?

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fullback44 said:

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MarkTwain said:

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Most realistic version of what happened for people like me that are just the average person (not pilots) wondering what happened, seems a few mistakes here and there added up along with possible bad vision due to night time. They need to make changes to the rules where they let those Helos fly, get them away from that airport. Something tells me the Helos will begin to fly quite a bit east of the Patomic.

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