obama judge micro manages trump to return illegal abrego garcia

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3:22p, 4/11/25
unrealistic deadlines

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judges be crazy and out of control
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How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
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3:32p, 4/11/25
Is this about the guy that someone in the Trump administration said shouldn't have been taken over there after all?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 3:37p, 4/11/25
big own goal by doj
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 3:41p, 4/11/25
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Is this about the guy that someone in the Trump administration said shouldn't have been taken over there after all?
The 29-year-old was detained by immigration agents and deported last month. He had a permit from the Homeland Security Department to legally work in the U.S. and was a sheet metal apprentice pursuing a journeyman license. The DOJ 'accused' him without evidence of being in MS-13 but admitted he should not have been deported to El Salvador.

An innocent victim of Trump's new 'Guilty until proven innocent' deportation laws. He has a wife and 5yr old son (both American citizens btw).
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3:47p, 4/11/25
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Sucks. But until we can clean up this mess our government has made it's not a good time for out of town guests.
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In reply to unimboti nkum • 3:50p, 4/11/25
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unimboti nkum said:
How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
He's not coming back to the US, no matter what
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3:57p, 4/11/25
Hey judge! The deportee takes the 11:30 pm Tica bus from San Salvador to Guatemala City. Then the bus to Oaxaca, Mexico, then the bus to Mexico City (south terminus). Then flies Volaris to Houston. Then takes Volaris to Dulles. Estimated cost of travel: <$500. 32 hours travel time.

That comes out of the court's budget.
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In reply to captkirk • 3:57p, 4/11/25
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captkirk said:
unimboti nkum said:
How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
He's not coming back to the US, no matter what


So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 4:00p, 4/11/25
What is it you think the Supreme Court said?

I'm Gipper
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 4:03p, 4/11/25
Nm, I'm wrong. They did rule
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4:03p, 4/11/25
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
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4:03p, 4/11/25
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The judicial branch checking the power of the executive. Better impeach!
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In reply to AggieVictor10 • 4:05p, 4/11/25
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The judicial branch checking the power of the executive. Better impeach!


In this current political climate, do you mean impeach the judge or the president?
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 4:06p, 4/11/25
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The Fall Guy said:
captkirk said:
unimboti nkum said:
How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
He's not coming back to the US, no matter what


So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation

He was wrongly deported to El Salvador, not wrongly deported




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I think I would quibble with this. A "citizen" would have a right to return to the US. Every US citizen who comes to a port of entry has that right.

Abrego Garcia is already subject to a final Order of Removal -- he has no right to return or remain in the US. His only right -- via Immigration Judge order -- was to not be sent to El Salvador by the US.

His remedy lies in correcting that error -- not giving him something he's not lawfully entitled to.
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In reply to UTExan • 4:14p, 4/11/25
"Hey judge! The deportee takes the 11:30 pm Tica bus from San Salvador to Guatemala City. Then the bus to Oaxaca, Mexico, then the bus to Mexico City (south terminus). Then flies Volaris to Houston. Then takes Volaris to Dulles. Estimated cost of travel: <$500. 32 hours travel time."


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when you encounter the term "facilitate" in legal documents, think of it as a way to simplify processes and promote cooperation. It highlights the importance of support and communication in achieving desired outcomes, whether in business, contracts, or other legal matters.

Sounds simple to me!! Wondering if El Salvidor will welcome surrendering one of their citizens to U. S. custody. Would it violate the terms of the TREATY OF EXTRADITION BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND EL SALVADOR to do so without due process under El Salvidor law? Asking for mi amigo.

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In reply to HoustonAg9999 • 4:16p, 4/11/25
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 4:18p, 4/11/25
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The Fall Guy said:
captkirk said:
unimboti nkum said:
How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
He's not coming back to the US, no matter what


So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation
The Dems regularly ignored the Supreme Court under Biden and Obama, that ship sailed long ago.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:20p, 4/11/25
He was afforded due process. He lost.
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House arrest at the judge's house until the final paperwork is done.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:21p, 4/11/25
Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.

And the basis for his claim is that he feared gang violence in El Salvador. Now that threat is gone thanks to Bukele. So why shouldn't he enjoy his homeland since the conditions of his asylum claim have evaporated?
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Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.


By "here legally" do you mean that he had an order to be deported, just not to El Salvador?
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:23p, 4/11/25
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Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.
I'm so confused

Is he an American citizen? (cannot and should not be deported)
if you aren't a citizen, you can be deported. Who you're married to doesn't matter. This ****s been happening for decades.
So,
Is he on a green card? (green cards can be revoked - person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here legally on a VISA? (VISA can be revoked, and person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here illegally? (can and should be deported)
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:24p, 4/11/25
Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.
His due process is absolutely NOT the same as a citizen's. He had a deportation order and can be sent anywhere other than El Salvador. He is not innocent. He is illegal and has no right to be in America.

Syria is nice this time of year.

Adios.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 4:32p, 4/11/25
Gaza works as well.... so does Gitmo- ain't El Salvador- could room with Kalid.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 4:34p, 4/11/25
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The Fall Guy said:
captkirk said:
unimboti nkum said:
How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
He's not coming back to the US, no matter what


So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation
From the Trump court case thread --

Option 2 is to send an Immigration Judge to the U.S. Embassy in El Salvador, bring Garcia to the Embassy, and have a hearing to reopen his case and delete the "Withdrawal" from his Removal Order. That provides him the due process he would have been entitled to in the U.S.

Then he can be escorted to the front door of the Embassy, and released as a citizen of El Salvador in El Salvador.

Let's go back to the SCOTUS Order:

"The intended scope of the term "effectuate" in the District Court's order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court's authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs."

This is a polite way of the Court letting the district judge know that "If what you mean is bringing Garcia back into the United States to appear in your courtroom, you don't have the authority to order that. So be careful in how you clarify your prior order."


He's not coming back here - at least while Trump is in charge.


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In reply to deddog • 4:35p, 4/11/25
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.
I'm so confused

Is he an American citizen? (cannot and should not be deported)
if you aren't a citizen, you can be deported. Who you're married to doesn't matter. This ****s been happening for decades.
So,
Is he on a green card? (green cards can be revoked - person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here legally on a VISA? (VISA can be revoked, and person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here illegally? (can and should be deported)
He is not an American citizen.
You cannot be deported without due process. The DOJ has placed the immigration lawyer responsible for the 'clerical error' on Administrative leave. They have publicly admitted that Garcia should NOT have been deported. This was NOT due process.
The Department of Homeland Security issued him a work permit in 2019 and he's been gainfully employed since.
He immigrated here illegally when he was a minor 15+ years ago, sought asylum, and was granted the permit above by the DHS (this was Trumps DHS administration btw).
He literally had LEGAL protection to be here and LEGAL protection from deportation to El Salvador.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:41p, 4/11/25
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Hullabaloonatic said:
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.
I'm so confused

Is he an American citizen? (cannot and should not be deported)
if you aren't a citizen, you can be deported. Who you're married to doesn't matter. This ****s been happening for decades.
So,
Is he on a green card? (green cards can be revoked - person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here legally on a VISA? (VISA can be revoked, and person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here illegally? (can and should be deported)
He is not an American citizen.
You cannot be deported without due process. The DOJ has placed the immigration lawyer responsible for the 'clerical error' on Administrative leave. They have publicly admitted that Garcia should NOT have been deported. This was NOT due process.
The Department of Homeland Security issued him a work permit in 2019 and he's been gainfully employed since.
He immigrated here illegally when he was a minor 15+ years ago, sought asylum, and was granted the permit above by the DHS (this was Trumps DHS administration btw).
He literally had LEGAL protection to be here and LEGAL protection from deportation to El Salvador.
No they didn't admit that. He should not have been deported to El Salvador, but the deportation order is valid
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:42p, 4/11/25
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Hullabaloonatic said:
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.
I'm so confused

Is he an American citizen? (cannot and should not be deported)
if you aren't a citizen, you can be deported. Who you're married to doesn't matter. This ****s been happening for decades.
So,
Is he on a green card? (green cards can be revoked - person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here legally on a VISA? (VISA can be revoked, and person can be deported)
Is he an immigrant here illegally? (can and should be deported)
He is not an American citizen.
You cannot be deported without due process. The DOJ has placed the immigration lawyer responsible for the 'clerical error' on Administrative leave. They have publicly admitted that Garcia should NOT have been deported. This was NOT due process.
The Department of Homeland Security issued him a work permit in 2019 and he's been gainfully employed since.
He immigrated here illegally when he was a minor 15+ years ago, sought asylum, and was granted the permit above by the DHS (this was Trumps DHS administration btw).
He literally had LEGAL protection to be here and LEGAL protection from deportation to El Salvador.
Aah. So pretty low on most peoples give a **** meter. People on green cards and visas have been ****ed over for decades, and a lot of my H1 team was ****ed over by the Biden administration, but no one cared until we started deporting illegals, you know, the folks that didn't obey the law in the first place

The irony is that all the H1s fired in bidens great economy had to pay higher fees to the INS, to help cover the cost of processing illegals.
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You're wasting your time with that poster.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:57p, 4/11/25
He has had his due process and will be deported to another country. As he should be.

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No Spin Ag said:
AggieVictor10 said:
The judicial branch checking the power of the executive. Better impeach!


In this current political climate, do you mean impeach the judge or the president?


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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 5:23p, 4/11/25
Hullabaloonatic said:
HoustonAg9999 said:
Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless
He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.


When did being married to a usa citizen grant one legal status?

Also you never answered are you telling me the El Salvadorian government has no jurisdiction over their own citizens? If im El Salvador i tell sc to shove it
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 5:39p, 4/11/25
The Fall Guy said:
captkirk said:
unimboti nkum said:
How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.
He's not coming back to the US, no matter what


So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation


Remember ... I bet the poster forgot.
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