obama judge micro manages trump to return illegal abrego garcia

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That really hinges on your interpretation as to his meaning that it was literally written on his knuckles in Phoenician letters. Something can be written in another language and it conveys the meaning just fine to the literate viewer, whether in Egyptian hieroglyphics, Cyrillic or as here the symbology of Latin American gangs.

Now, would I have preferred Trump clarify he was referencing the symbology of the tattoos, sure, but I don't think he was simply forgetting the images in question. Again Trump is very often in-artful/precise in his language in interviews and this was not an exception. As per above I also am concerned he added fuel to the legal fire by saying he could get him brought back but won't do so.
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flown-the-coop said:

Not enough. Due process for deporting gang banger terrorist wife beater human traffickers back to their home country requires more than multiple sworn affidavits, gang tattoos, clothing, known associations, and being found amongst other gang members. It's simply not enough.


Well done. This is how to properly troll.
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BMX Bandit said:

In this clip, the interviewer says the literal letters, MS 13 or not on his knuckles, but the tattoos are interpreted to mean MS 13 by some, and if there is a dispute on that.

Trump pushes back as if the actual letters/numbers MS 13 are tattooed. As the Twitter points out, it looks like no one told Trump about the Photoshop part.


Whats the context? Is the media trying to suggest the symbols don't mean ms13?

Those tattoos say ms13.
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Who gives a ***** His knuckles clearly say ms13. Whether it's a symbol or actual letters, debating that is total semantics.

He is not required to follow the court's order.
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The media is arguing that symbols don't mean something? Show them a swastika and see if they know what that means.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Ms13 was tattooed on his knuckles using ms13's language.

I didn't watch the interview yet, but, if the media is trying to say ms13 was not on his knuckles or trying to argue semantics, they are ****ing crazy.
There are a set of folks who will try and bash Trump on anything. He schooled that dolt from ABC on this, the ABC guy trying to use the symbolism MS13 uses as sort of technicality, and then you have people who say "well, ABC is right, Trump is technically wrong".

Since when does having something written in a coded language not count as being the text it represents. Trump is correct, those tattoos say MS13 in not so super secret gang code. People are critical of Trump saying its not a good look because he didn't explain to the idiot reporter the symbols / code?
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Keller6Ag91 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Not enough. Due process for deporting gang banger terrorist wife beater human traffickers back to their home country requires more than multiple sworn affidavits, gang tattoos, clothing, known associations, and being found amongst other gang members. It's simply not enough.


Well done. This is how to properly troll use sarcasm and hyperbole to make a point of how asinine people are demanding ever escalating due process requirements to defend gang bangers, terrorists, child rapists, wife beaters, and murderers.
FIFY
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Okay here's my take

There's a due process for entering the country.

First the current asylum laws say that the person seeking asylum must do it in the first country adjacent to their home country. People in Guatemala and El Salvador cross multiple borders to get to the US. None of them seek asylum in any of those countries. At the very minimum they should seek asylum in Mexico.

The due process for seeking asylum in the United States is present yourself at a proper port of entry and declare that you seek asylum. Then be held at the detention facility until your case is heard. Asylum law in the United States protects individuals fleeing persecution in their home country, allowing them to seek refuge in the U.S. To qualify for asylum, an individual must demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution based on one of the five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. They must be physically present in the U.S. or seeking admission at a port of entry.

You cannot base a claim of asylum on just looking for better economic opportunities.

So sneaking in the country illegally voids all your rights to due process. You cannot seek asylum after you snuck into the country illegally.

"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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Keep in mind, the party and folks demanding these new concepts of due process also believe a law enforcement officer should pause an ongoing shootout to clarify with the criminal if they intend to harm the officer or are just pointing their weapon out of fear or trying to escape so they can later face a judge in court.

They want to hit pause on real-life regardless of the situation and circumstances, wait until all possible facts are out, take years to make a a decision by considering every conceivable outcome, alternative and repercussion before arriving at the most just outcome for all those involved.

Then there are those of us still in touch with reality.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

You cannot seek asylum after you snuck into the country illegally.

dems have been illegally giving people who snuck into the country illegally asylum for decades

all of them need to have their asylum status revoked and be deported

and if they have received citizenship then that should been examined too for illegality and revoked perhaps
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will25u said:


I wish they would STOP CALLING HER HIS WIFE, they were not married, and Maryland does not recognize the claim of common law marriage.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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I'm Gipper
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I guess now he will be married Maryland Uber driver.
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And video unavailable for the time they called FBI to report it in and were told by Garland and Wray to let them go. FJB.

Maybe this guy will be a confidential informant like Ray Epps.
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Sen Van Hollen oddly unavailable for comment.
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A bunch of latinos in a car is so unusual. You never see that everyday.
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rgvag11 said:

A bunch of latinos in a car is so unusual. You never see that everyday.
Yes, and let's ignore all the other facts around this.

Claims they were traveling from a jobsite in St. Louis back to Maryland. All of these guys then give the same LIVING address in Maryland all cohabitating with Kilmar (and his beautiful wife and children).

Truck doesn't belong to him but to his "boss", a convicted human traficker.

Cops, who happen to do this all day (rather than post on f16), recognize the circumstances immediately based on their experience and training.

And the fact this is potentially everyday normal is part of the problem.

Normal would be van "full of latinos" with 4 ladders on the roof, paint spilling out the back, and guys eating gas station burritos and drinking MIller Lite traveling from XYZ northern Dallas suburb back to Grand Prairie.

Not normal is a bunch of guys, middle of the night, middle of Tennessee, with no luggage and no work equipment.
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So now he's a human trafficer? He's helping subject those people to " involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery" "through the use of force, fraud, or coercion"?
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rgvag11 said:

So now he's a human trafficer? He's helping subject those people to " involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery" "through the use of force, fraud, or coercion"?
Yes
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samurai_science said:

rgvag11 said:

So now he's a human trafficer? He's helping subject those people to " involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery" "through the use of force, fraud, or coercion"?
Yes
If those people were under duress, why wasn't their behavior noted by law enforcement? Why didn't just one of them speak up?

How about 'human smuggling'? That would be more likely.
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Are you still defending this dude?
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The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
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rgvag11 said:

The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
they deported a thug with a removal order. What's your problem?
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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

rgvag11 said:

The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
they deported a thug with a removal order. What's your problem?
The same problem the Supreme Court has.

ETA: This comment sticks out in the court's ruling.

To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia's warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison.
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rgvag11 said:

samurai_science said:

rgvag11 said:

So now he's a human trafficer? He's helping subject those people to " involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery" "through the use of force, fraud, or coercion"?
Yes
If those people were under duress, why wasn't their behavior noted by law enforcement? Why didn't just one of them speak up?

How about 'human smuggling'? That would be more likely.
Because they don't speak the English so good?
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rgvag11 said:

ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

rgvag11 said:

The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
they deported a thug with a removal order. What's your problem?
The same problem the Supreme Court has.

ETA: This comment sticks out in the court's ruling.

To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia's warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison.
Thats old news, the Gov has cited it
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Imagine defending a known gang member, confirmed wife beater by trying to parse out the semantics of human trafficker v human smuggler as if somehow one is better / worse than the other. Just when the libs appear to reach maximum ludicrosity, they up their game.

This includes the concept of "if they were being human trafficked, why not just tell the cops?". Pretty sure before they loaded up in the suburban they had a chat about how to act if pulled over. This would almost certainly include "if you say a word, we will kill you and all your family".
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rgvag11 said:

The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
This guy has no legal right to be here and the Supreme Court did not require he be brought back. He's a terrorist and a thug. **** him.
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Quote:

The same problem the Supreme Court has.

ETA: This comment sticks out in the court's ruling.

To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia's warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison.
The USSC did not even review all of the evidence.

There is no doubt that he is a criminal and a thug.
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Imagine defending a government that does not respect the rights of people, citizens or not. It's un-American, IMHO.
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rgvag11 said:

Imagine defending a government that does not respect the rights of people, citizens or not. It's un-American, IMHO.
This piece of human refuse received his due process. He is exercising his rights in his own country.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

rgvag11 said:

The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
This guy has no legal right to be here and the Supreme Court did not require he be brought back. He's a terrorist and a thug. **** him.

Supreme Court
The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.

Merriam-Webster
facilitate
verb
to help bring (something) about
His campaign emphasized a variety of ways the federal government could help facilitate economic growth.
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rgvag11 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

rgvag11 said:

The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.
This guy has no legal right to be here and the Supreme Court did not require he be brought back. He's a terrorist and a thug. **** him.

Supreme Court
The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.

Merriam-Webster
facilitate
verb
to help bring (something) about
His campaign emphasized a variety of ways the federal government could help facilitate economic growth.
LOL. Always defending criminals.
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That's the Supreme Court's prerogative.
 
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