Not "effectuate". SCOTUS made it clear what they did and did not mean. Its not "semantics" in a legal ruling. Stop watching MSNBC. In no case is he ever coming back to the USGradin said:
Semantics. "facilitate" his return
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And as had been pointed out repeatedly not only the Scotus NOT say the Illegal Alien must be brought back, SCOTUS specifically told the lower court to stay out of the executive branch's article II lane.
Words have meaning. You are intentionally misleading with your posts.Gradin said:
Semantics. "facilitate" his return
The President has no power to compel a sovereign foreign nation to turn over one of its citizens, a terrorist no less, to the United States. It is sheer lunacy that anyone would advocate for such a thing.
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens. I know conservatives want to argue he doesn't deserve it but that is their feelings. Even the Supreme Court said is allowed due process. I'm literally reading the ruling right now.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens. I know conservatives want to argue he doesn't deserve it but that is their feelings. Even the Supreme Court said is allowed due process. I'm literally reading the ruling right now.
Define what due process rights the Constitution gives non-citizens.Gradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens.
He had his due process. He was ruled deportable in court. Again, educate yourself on the factsGradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens. I know conservatives want to argue he doesn't deserve it but that is their feelings. Even the Supreme Court said is allowed due process. I'm literally reading the ruling right now.
Quote:
Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin revealed on Wednesday that deported illegal alien and alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia was with two other MS-13 members when he was arrested in 2019, and was found to have "rolls of cash and drugs" on him. Garcia crossed the border into the United States illegally in 2012 and when he was arrested in 2019, claimed he had to flee El Salvador as a teenager to escape gang violence.
Just trolling. Nothing more.
Exactlycaptkirk said:He had his due process. He was ruled deportable in court. Again, educate yourself on the factsGradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens. I know conservatives want to argue he doesn't deserve it but that is their feelings. Even the Supreme Court said is allowed due process. I'm literally reading the ruling right now.
Ellis Wyatt said:Words have meaning. You are intentionally misleading with your posts.Gradin said:
Semantics. "facilitate" his return
The President has no power to compel a sovereign foreign nation to turn over one of its citizens, a terrorist no less, to the United States. It is sheer lunacy that anyone would advocate for such a thing.
He did this before his due process though. It's super obvious that they took him away as quickly as possible which even the government admitted they did it in error initially. And El Salvador has already returned people back to the US so it's BS that they don't have the power to do it now.
False. Can you argue in good faith?Gradin said:Ellis Wyatt said:Words have meaning. You are intentionally misleading with your posts.Gradin said:
Semantics. "facilitate" his return
The President has no power to compel a sovereign foreign nation to turn over one of its citizens, a terrorist no less, to the United States. It is sheer lunacy that anyone would advocate for such a thing.
He did this before his due process though.
Ellis Wyatt said:Define what due process rights the Constitution gives non-citizens.Gradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens.
Literally the 5th amendment
Gradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens. I know conservatives want to argue he doesn't deserve it but that is their feelings. Even the Supreme Court said is allowed due process. I'm literally reading the ruling right now.
No one is doubting that you can read, however reading and comprehension are not one and the same.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
Ah yes, the "experts", like the covid "experts" and russian collusion "experts". Lots of "experts" aroundGradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens. I know conservatives want to argue he doesn't deserve it but that is their feelings. Even the Supreme Court said is allowed due process. I'm literally reading the ruling right now.
He had his day in court, you are way behindGradin said:Ellis Wyatt said:Define what due process rights the Constitution gives non-citizens.Gradin said:
I actually don't really watch MSNBC. I read news articles and legal experts thoughts.
Not sure why many of you are so offended by letting him get due process which is a right in the Constitution for even non citizens.
Literally the 5th amendment
Nope.
Are you insinuating that every illegal alien should go through the grand jury process and a full trial? Why have we never done that before you started defending international terrorists?
Are you insinuating that every illegal alien should go through the grand jury process and a full trial? Why have we never done that before you started defending international terrorists?
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-lies-kilmar-abrego-garcia-explained-1235318906/
I see why other non-conservatives barely post here. I know that y'all see that as a compliment but I've had PMs with other non-conservatives warning me to stop posting here because it's pointless.
I see why other non-conservatives barely post here. I know that y'all see that as a compliment but I've had PMs with other non-conservatives warning me to stop posting here because it's pointless.
Rollingstone, you just played yourself, take the L.Gradin said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-lies-kilmar-abrego-garcia-explained-1235318906/
Rolling Fing Stone, JFC, troll alert
Who the hell takes Rolling Stone seriously as a news source for anything other than the entertainment industry?
Gradin said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-lies-kilmar-abrego-garcia-explained-1235318906/
You're using rolling stone as a source?
Question ... why do you really think Democrats are so interested in this? They actually seem much more concerned about this than iillegal immigrants who kill US citizens.
Why do they care so much about this guy?
It's because y'alls arguments rarely have merit.Gradin said:
I see why other non-conservatives barely post here. I know that y'all see that as a compliment but I've had PMs with other non-conservatives warning me to stop posting here because it's pointless.
That's how it is for people who stand up for illegal aliens who terrorize Americans. There is no logical argument. They have to resort to lies.Quote:It's because y'alls arguments rarely have merit.Quote:
Yep.
Pretty good break down on why the judges have downplayed Garcia's MS13 ties. Which I might add is a big reason why most MSM and Democrats are dying on this 90-10 hill.
But most people just hear what the MSM says and run with it.
Garcia is a MS13 TERRORIST and should be treated as such.
Would ask everyone contributing to this thread to read and understand this thread.
But most people just hear what the MSM says and run with it.
Garcia is a MS13 TERRORIST and should be treated as such.
Would ask everyone contributing to this thread to read and understand this thread.
Today, AG Bondi released the underlying Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS) related to Abrego Garcia's detainment in 2019, along with other documents.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 17, 2025
In the GFIS, the police officer attests that when Abrego-Garcia was arrested, he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13… pic.twitter.com/vJ336JvJmP
Her first footnote points to SA 146 n.5. That's the underlying district court opinion.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 17, 2025
The district court opinion by Judge Xinis also characterizes the MS-13 evidence against Abrego-Garcia as weak: "nothing more than his Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie, and a vague, uncorroborated… pic.twitter.com/u3mqzMCq2v
The really interesting thing here is that based on what Sandoval-Moshenberg put in the complaint, it's pretty clear he had access to the underlying GFIS report. And yet he didn't put that report in the record, instead choosing to underplay the cop's statement.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 17, 2025
As a result, both…
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
Due process for an illegal works like this:
1. You establish the identity of the individual.
2. You determine that the individual is in the country illegally.
3. At that point, having violated the laws of the country, he is eligible for deportation
Literally and legally, that is it - and it has already happened in this guy's case. The government and the executive branch owe him nothing more than that, and had every right to deport him.
1. You establish the identity of the individual.
2. You determine that the individual is in the country illegally.
3. At that point, having violated the laws of the country, he is eligible for deportation
Literally and legally, that is it - and it has already happened in this guy's case. The government and the executive branch owe him nothing more than that, and had every right to deport him.
You mean, if an illegal jumps the fence into the arms of a Border Patrol agent they don't get to just declare "due process!" and get released into the country for as long as they have active cases/appeals?!!2000AgPhD said:
Due process for an illegal works like this:
1. You establish the identity of the individual.
2. You determine that the individual is in the country illegally.
3. At that point, having violated the laws of the country, he is eligible for deportation
Literally and legally, that is it - and it has already happened in this guy's case. The government and the executive branch owe him nothing more than that, and had every right to deport him.
The fact that foreigners belong to other nations makes them… different?!?
No!
Florida State shooting will likely make this far less important to Democrats ...
Only under Democrat administrations, apparently.Get Off My Lawn said:You mean, if an illegal jumps the fence into the arms of a Border Patrol agent they don't get to just declare "due process!" and get released into the country for as long as they have active cases/appeals?!!2000AgPhD said:
Due process for an illegal works like this:
1. You establish the identity of the individual.
2. You determine that the individual is in the country illegally.
3. At that point, having violated the laws of the country, he is eligible for deportation
Literally and legally, that is it - and it has already happened in this guy's case. The government and the executive branch owe him nothing more than that, and had every right to deport him.
The fact that foreigners belong to other nations makes them… different?!?
No!
That's not semantics.Gradin said:
Semantics. "facilitate" his return
The district court discussed "facilitate" and "effectuate" as 2 separate things.
Facilitate is setting things up to receive him here.
Effectuate is actively accomplishing it.
SCOTUS said the judge potentially over stepped her bounds with the latter.
His due process was done in 2019. He's deportable because of that.Gradin said:Ellis Wyatt said:Words have meaning. You are intentionally misleading with your posts.Gradin said:
Semantics. "facilitate" his return
The President has no power to compel a sovereign foreign nation to turn over one of its citizens, a terrorist no less, to the United States. It is sheer lunacy that anyone would advocate for such a thing.
He did this before his due process though. It's super obvious that they took him away as quickly as possible which even the government admitted they did it in error initially. And El Salvador has already returned people back to the US so it's BS that they don't have the power to do it now.
Was. He gone.
That story was so full of garbage it needs its own landfill...samurai_science said:Rollingstone, you just played yourself, take the L.Gradin said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-lies-kilmar-abrego-garcia-explained-1235318906/
Rolling Fing Stone, JFC, troll alert
Damn, I miss reading actual written discussions rather than trying to decipher tangled tweets.
That's why it is so ****ing absurd that people are stanning for this thug. They're literally saying American will not be able to deport anyone.
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