He had six years to self deport. He was closer to Canada than Mexico, maybe he should tried there?AggieT said:
I don't really care, Margaret.
Not a citizen, shouldn't have been here to begin with. If he wanted to be deported to a different country, he should have just gone there. Good riddance.
Because Orange Man Bad.aginlakeway said:Hullabaloonatic said:
You know how I know every MAGA person defending Garcia's deportation is full of ***** Because Trump has said he wants to deport 'homegrown' criminals and no one here cares. The President was caught on live TV saying he wants to disappear US CITIZENS. So of course no one here cares about an El Salvadorian immigrant...they don't even care about their own US compatriots.
Question ... why do you really think Democrats are so interested in this? They actually seem much more concerned about this than iillegal immigrants who kill US citizens.
Why do they care so much about this guy?
Why are you stanning for a terrorist?swimmerbabe11 said:
Sorry, lil buddy, but your feelings don't matter. The clause clearly states that you only send them "wherever" if none of the other options were available.
Then this particular issue should be waaaaaaaay down your list of concerns.swimmerbabe11 said:
I care about holding the government accountable to the laws that bind it.
Slicer97 said:Then this particular issue should be waaaaaaaay down your list of concerns.swimmerbabe11 said:
I care about holding the government accountable to the laws that bind it.
swimmerbabe11 said:
Sorry, lil buddy, but your feelings don't matter. The clause clearly states that you only send them "wherever" if none of the other options were available.
When was a Democrat President, Presidential candidate, Secretary of State, DHS Secretary ever held accountable?swimmerbabe11 said:
So we only care about holding the government accountable to the law when we don't like the President. Got it.
I have no idea what you want in government. I do not know you. I simply asked a question which you failed to respond to in the forum.swimmerbabe11 said:
Are you under the impression that I didn't want a small, highly restricted government then, too?
you'd be wrong.
Yeah...aggiehawg said:
The rest:LOL.Quote:
It is this part where Judge Xinis has take issue with the Govt reports, and has now granted the plaintiff's request for discovery.
This game can go on several more rounds because ....
"what it can" gives to the Executive the discretion to share or not share information based on its own needs and prerogatives.
Every response to discovery at this point can begin with "The United States cannot, at this point, share any informations responsive to this interrogatory/request for documents due to ongoing diplomatic efforts that may be compromised by public disclosure, and any information given to Plaintiffs or Plaintiffs' counsel at this juncture creates an unacceptable risk of such disclosure."
Next.
It's because if they do that, they cede Article II powers to these judges. Powers that are not available to these judges. These things set precedents.AtticusMatlock said:
The behavior of the executive branch here is just absurd to me. It's counterproductive. A judge had ruled he could not go back to El Salvador. They mistakenly sent him back to El Salvador. Why could they have not just quickly brought him back, put him before another immigration judge in an expedited hearing and have them reverse the protective order? Keep him in custody here then get him out.
It does seem to me the reason they don't want him to come back is because they don't want him giving interviews about the conditions at that prison. Maybe he really has already been killed. Who knows.
And not one single judge can make Trump do anything else. It's not in their purview.DarkBrandon01 said:HoustonAg9999 said:
How they going to compel El Salvador to realse him?
By negotiating, which should be very easy considering Bukele is bent over backwards for Trump. Trump has not applied the slightest amount of pressure to ask for this. This is because Trump and Bukele have an agreement where Bukele pretends to refuse and Trump pretends there is nothing else that can be done. Of course, this is ridiculous and everyone knows this, including all 9 supreme court justices.
Would you be okay with Garcia being taken to the US Embassy in El Salvador and having an immigration judge adjudicate his case there? Then returning him to El Salvador's custody? Embassy is considered American soil. That's a return. Immigration judge vacates the holding order since the rival gang problem is no longer an issue under change in circumstances. No holding order, deportation to El Salvador (right outside the embassy grounds) is no longer an issue.AtticusMatlock said:
Because the deportation was done in violation of a prior court order and a Federal court has ordered the government at the very least to attempt to facilitate his return. The Supreme Court, at the very least, agrees 9-0 that the executive branch should attempt to facilitate his return, provide information to the lower court as to what efforts they are making, and give him the due process afforded to people in his situation which frankly isn't much. They could have a quick hearing and get him back out of the country legally. The 4th Circuit today just upheld all of that all over again.
It doesn't really matter what anyone's political opinion is. Just follow the process. If they can't get him back from El Salvador, that's not necessarily against the court order. Just report something back to the court that you've asked and they've said no. They haven't even done that yet.
Many of them are not applicable to this guy...swimmerbabe11 said:
So you think every single one of the other options was attempted first?
He doesn't have one. He's claiming common law marriage.lcraggie said:
How many MS-13 related murders in the US, Texas and Houston have there been in the past 4 years?
Why was the "Maryland Man" let go in Tennessee by Biden's FBI?
Has anyone produced a copy of his marriage certificate? Or is it like a birth certificate of people that have been made after the claimed event?
And, its not a guarantee either. You told the admin to ask. They say El Salvador said "no."Sq 17 said:
We got the Tate brothers back so it is not impossible to get foreign govt to facilitate transport
I say we should publicly threaten NUCLEAR WAR unless El Salvador returns him!!!Troy91 said:
How do you unring the bell?
Dude is outside of US control in El Salvador.
Admin believes that terrorist designation removed any limits from a withholding order.
How do you propose that we force a sovereign nation to give him back? Seals, Hostage Rescue, etc?
Sq 17 said:
We got the Tate brothers back so it is not impossible to get foreign govt to facilitate transport
Tom Fox said:Sq 17 said:
We got the Tate brothers back so it is not impossible to get foreign govt to facilitate transport
He is an el Salvadoran national. He is already home. Why would a country send back one of its own nationals that was deported?
They have provided daily status reports.AtticusMatlock said:
Because the deportation was done in violation of a prior court order and a Federal court has ordered the government at the very least to attempt to facilitate his return. The Supreme Court, at the very least, agrees 9-0 that the executive branch should attempt to facilitate his return, provide information to the lower court as to what efforts they are making, and give him the due process afforded to people in his situation which frankly isn't much. They could have a quick hearing and get him back out of the country legally. The 4th Circuit today just upheld all of that all over again.
It doesn't really matter what anyone's political opinion is. Just follow the process. If they can't get him back from El Salvador, that's not necessarily against the court order. Just report something back to the court that you've asked and they've said no. They haven't even done that yet.
