obama judge micro manages trump to return illegal abrego garcia

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In reply to Ag with kids • 6:02p, 4/17/25
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Ag with kids said:
AtticusMatlock said:
The behavior of the executive branch here is just absurd to me. It's counterproductive. A judge had ruled he could not go back to El Salvador. They mistakenly sent him back to El Salvador. Why could they have not just quickly brought him back, put him before another immigration judge in an expedited hearing and have them reverse the protective order? Keep him in custody here then get him out.

It does seem to me the reason they don't want him to come back is because they don't want him giving interviews about the conditions at that prison. Maybe he really has already been killed. Who knows.
It's because if they do that, they cede Article II powers to these judges. Powers that are not available to these judges. These things set precedents.

The executive branch is rightly protecting its powers from judicial overreach.
Let's flip this for a second. American citizen is arrested and being held in a foreign country, say Russia or North Korea. Could an Article III judge order a President to go get that AmCit by whatever means necessary? Ordering a specific prisoner swap, for instance?

Of course not. That's a foreign policy issue. Nor could an American Article III court order a foreign country to attend and negotiate in good faith.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 6:48p, 4/17/25
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lcraggie said:
How many MS-13 related murders in the US, Texas and Houston have there been in the past 4 years?

Why was the "Maryland Man" let go in Tennessee by Biden's FBI?

Has anyone produced a copy of his marriage certificate? Or is it like a birth certificate of people that have been made after the claimed event?
He doesn't have one. He's claiming common law marriage.
Thank you. That further shows how much the corrupt MSM and Dems will attempt to rewrite history call her his "wife". He is not even legal to have a common law marriage in Maryland.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 7:12p, 4/17/25
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You know how I know every MAGA person defending Garcia's deportation is full of ***** Because Trump has said he wants to deport 'homegrown' criminals and no one here cares. The President was caught on live TV saying he wants to disappear US CITIZENS. So of course no one here cares about an El Salvadorian immigrant...they don't even care about their own US compatriots.
Why didn't I hear you crying like this about the J6 prisoners?


What are you talking about? Were Jan6ers deported to a gulag?
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 7:14p, 4/17/25
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Hullabaloonatic said:
Slicer97 said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
You know how I know every MAGA person defending Garcia's deportation is full of ***** Because Trump has said he wants to deport 'homegrown' criminals and no one here cares. The President was caught on live TV saying he wants to disappear US CITIZENS. So of course no one here cares about an El Salvadorian immigrant...they don't even care about their own US compatriots.
Why didn't I hear you crying like this about the J6 prisoners?


What are you talking about? Were Jan6ers deported to a gulag?


Solidarity confinement? Citizen vs noncitizen with 2 deportation orders?
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In reply to 2000AgPhD • 7:15p, 4/17/25
No, but there have been other non El Salvadorians sent there!
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In reply to lcraggie • 7:23p, 4/17/25
Did the government break laws by imprisoning any J6er? I can't follow any of the logic you people are using.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 7:25p, 4/17/25
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Did the government break laws by imprisoning any J6er? I can't follow any of the logic you people are using.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 7:27p, 4/17/25
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Did the government break laws by imprisoning any J6er? I can't follow any of the logic you people are using.


Some would say yes with the number of Feds working inside the crowd. Ray says hello!!
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 7:29p, 4/17/25
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Did the government break laws by imprisoning any J6er? I can't follow any of the logic you people are using.


Did he break the law entering the country? Or do you people just ignore that fact?
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7:31p, 4/17/25
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The SCOTUS order does not say to return Garcia to the US. It says to " facilitate Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and insure the case is handled as if he was not improperly sent to El Salvador ". Therefore, isn't the simple remedy to just send him directly from El Salvador to another country in accordance with the the normal procedures followed when a migrants country will not accept them.
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7:44p, 4/17/25
Has this been posted already?

This is from ship:


"Judge Xinis did not follow the instructions. SCOTUS told her to explain what she meant by "effectuate".

...

This is going back to SCOTUS ASAP and I don't expect that they will be too happy that the lower court judges seem to not be able to find their own limits on what it is they might be able to accomplish"




She simply deleted the word effectuate from her new order.

Lololol
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8:13p, 4/17/25
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This is a very stupid hill to die on. Admit the mistake, bring him back, check some boxes and then ship him out again. Same exact result with none of this nonsense attached.
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8:20p, 4/17/25
Democrat sipping margaritas with a MS13 terrorist.


"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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In reply to Ag with kids • 8:29p, 4/17/25
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Ag with kids said:
AtticusMatlock said:
The behavior of the executive branch here is just absurd to me. It's counterproductive. A judge had ruled he could not go back to El Salvador. They mistakenly sent him back to El Salvador. Why could they have not just quickly brought him back, put him before another immigration judge in an expedited hearing and have them reverse the protective order? Keep him in custody here then get him out.

It does seem to me the reason they don't want him to come back is because they don't want him giving interviews about the conditions at that prison. Maybe he really has already been killed. Who knows.
It's because if they do that, they cede Article II powers to these judges.


No they don't, this isn't a court saying the President cannot deport a random illegal immigrant that was caught. That would be an infringement of his article II powers. This was the executive branch defying a valid withholding of removal order, albeit mistakingly. And it's a stupid fight because he is guaranteed to be deported again if they go through the normal legal process to overturn that order because the evidence against Abrego is overwhelming.
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8:39p, 4/17/25
This doesn't make sense. The idiot Senator was on the news all day saying he was denied access and that he needed to get Trump's approval. But here is the tweet with photos from the official account of the President of El Salvador



Was Senator numb nuts lying to gin up his base?


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8:42p, 4/17/25
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Going to suck to back to Super Max.
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8:48p, 4/17/25
Bukele makes it plain

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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 8:48p, 4/17/25
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Ag with kids said:
AtticusMatlock said:
The behavior of the executive branch here is just absurd to me. It's counterproductive. A judge had ruled he could not go back to El Salvador. They mistakenly sent him back to El Salvador. Why could they have not just quickly brought him back, put him before another immigration judge in an expedited hearing and have them reverse the protective order? Keep him in custody here then get him out.

It does seem to me the reason they don't want him to come back is because they don't want him giving interviews about the conditions at that prison. Maybe he really has already been killed. Who knows.
It's because if they do that, they cede Article II powers to these judges.


No they don't, this isn't a court saying the President cannot deport a random illegal immigrant that was caught. That would be an infringement of his article II powers. This was the executive branch defying a valid withholding of removal order, albeit mistakingly. And it's a stupid fight because he is guaranteed to be deported again if they go through the normal legal process to overturn that order because the evidence against Abrego is overwhelming.


Incorrect. MS13 has been declared a terrorist organization. Abrego is a member. The withholding order is thus irrelevant.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 8:55p, 4/17/25
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This is a very stupid hill to die on. Admit the mistake, bring him back, check some boxes and then ship him out again. Same exact result with none of this nonsense attached.
For Democrats. I hope they continue to soldier on and fight for wife-beating, human trafficking, MS-13 gang bangers. It's such a good look for them.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 9:15p, 4/17/25
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Logos Stick said:
Infection_Ag11 said:
Ag with kids said:
AtticusMatlock said:
The behavior of the executive branch here is just absurd to me. It's counterproductive. A judge had ruled he could not go back to El Salvador. They mistakenly sent him back to El Salvador. Why could they have not just quickly brought him back, put him before another immigration judge in an expedited hearing and have them reverse the protective order? Keep him in custody here then get him out.

It does seem to me the reason they don't want him to come back is because they don't want him giving interviews about the conditions at that prison. Maybe he really has already been killed. Who knows.
It's because if they do that, they cede Article II powers to these judges.


No they don't, this isn't a court saying the President cannot deport a random illegal immigrant that was caught. That would be an infringement of his article II powers. This was the executive branch defying a valid withholding of removal order, albeit mistakingly. And it's a stupid fight because he is guaranteed to be deported again if they go through the normal legal process to overturn that order because the evidence against Abrego is overwhelming.


Incorrect. MS13 has been declared a terrorist organization. Abrego is a member. The withholding order is thus irrelevant.


The law requires a hearing for the government to show he is in fact a gang member (or was) with such an order in place. There's also debate over whether this is applicable when a group is retroactively deemed a terrorist organization. But regardless you can't just declare something like Michael Scott and expect it to override a valid court order.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 9:16p, 4/17/25
He's had two.
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9:19p, 4/17/25
Ah okay after claiming that he was denied access all over the MSM, Bukele released photos contradicting his claims and now numb nuts released this

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9:22p, 4/17/25
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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In reply to Dirty_Mike&the_boys • 9:40p, 4/17/25
And?
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In reply to Dirty_Mike&the_boys • 9:41p, 4/17/25
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:
With all of the documentation released there is no "perhaps he's not a gang member". He is. He's also a woman beater.
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 9:42p, 4/17/25
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Fookin' wr3kt!!!!1
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TAMU1990 said:




Fookin' wr3kt!!!!1
Cruz with the haymaker
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 9:48p, 4/17/25
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:
With all of the documentation released there is no "perhaps he's not a gang member". He is. He's also a woman beater.
Don't forget human trafficker. Stopped in Texas driving a van with 7 illegals including someone on a terrorist watch list and Biden's trusty DHS said "let them go, that's 7 more potential Democrat voters for us!"
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In reply to Dirty_Mike&the_boys • 9:51p, 4/17/25
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:


I mean, he was definitely a gang member. The publicly available information alone leaves no reasonable doubt on that front.

I agree with the judge's premise I just don't know why he felt the need to include that little bit. It's irrelevant to the point about due process.
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9:56p, 4/17/25
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True statement.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 10:27p, 4/17/25
The immigration court finding was a bit wishy-washy in terms of his gang starus but I don't think that court had all the information. Appellate courts are only going to go on the record they have available.

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3:25a, 4/18/25
Well for the couple of defenders of this gangbanger claiming there's no evidence of any domestic violence well I haven't seen any pictures but would handwritten domestic violence allegations from Kilmar Abrego Garcia's girlfriend in 2021 do, in which she alleges he is a repeat woman beater & writes "At this point, I am afraid to be close to him. I have multiple photos/videos of how violent he can be and all the bruises he bas left me."

In her own handwriting, she alleges that Abrego Garcia punched and scratched her on her eye, leaving her bleeding after throwing her laptop on the floor. She writes that on another day, he got angry again, started yelling, and ripped her shirt and shorts off, then grabbed her arm, leaving marks.

She also writes that in two times in 2020, he hit her.

"In November 2020, he hit me with his work boot".

"In August 2020, hit me in the eye leaving a purple eye."


Is that any level of proof? I mean it is in her own handwriting and I would be curious if she provided the pictures she claimed to have. Seems pretty legit so far. I give it a couple days before someone produces the pictures.




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5:37a, 4/18/25
I'm just catching up on this case. Let me make sure I have the general facts straight.

Guy is granted some sort of temporary non removal order because he is a gang member but is in danger from another gang in el Salvador (side point- protection from gangs should not be a claim for asylum). That gang no longer exists.

Also, the govt claims that being part of a terrorist organizations as ms13 was deemed removes one from a protected status since no designated terrorist can have a non removal order.


Is an ms13 member. Has criminal record. Gets deportation order. Has appeal. Is deported back home.

Court tells trump to bring him back for but El Salvador says no. since the US has no jurisdiction, if el Salvador says no, then that's pretty much it

This could have all been avoided if kilmar would have been sent anywhere but El salvador.
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