Because he was literally snatched off the street. The previous judgment orders would have been considered, if he had been deported when they were issued. And they would have been considered this time, if they had followed the rules when somebody finally decided to deport him. They also specifically violated one of the orders, which specifically stated that he wasn't to be returned to El Salvador. So, are now we only following some of the judgements but not all of them?

Edited, as I had forgotten another point McCarthy had made in another post.

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This distinction is salient because, Xinis's opinion recounts, the Justice Department has not produced any order of removal. To the contrary, DOJ conceded at Friday's hearing that "no order of removal is part of the record," and admitted that (quoting government counsel) "the removal order" from 2019 "cannot be executed." Xinis added that DOJ failed to produce any "warrant for removal/deportation," though such process is "customarily served on an alien as part of a lawful deportation or removal."

We can only conclude, then, that either (a) there was no removal order, or (b) any such order was so flawed that DOJ won't publicly rely on it (perhaps because it is explicitly tied to the immigration judge's express prohibition on deporting Abrego Garcia to El Salvador a prohibition that the government admits it has violated).

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Trumps own justice department refused to make the point you made - there was no removal order. Which means that he was not only snatched off the street, he was also illegally sent to another country. Why? Because we have passed laws to allow people we want to send away to get their say in court. And we didn't follow those laws.

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Yes. If I have control over the prisoners, even if I choose to house them in a prison by contract, they are still in federal custody. Do you think prisoners are not still the responsibility of the state when they are housed in Harris County. Can Harris County say no when the state comes and gets them? Of course not. By law they are still considered to be in our custody.

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did you go to Hollywood Upstairs College of Law????

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No, I actually read the opinion of people who know what they are talking about, sometimes called subject matter experts. But back to my original point - all Trump has to do is follow the rules, and I wish he would do it.

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expert = someone with a credential that lawyers and politicians pay to say whatever fits their narrative.

And based on your posts, I don't think you've meaningfully read any of this stuff.

Logos Stick said:

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He was afforded due process. He lost.

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You obviously know more about it than me. What Due process did he receive?

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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Two courts of competent jurisdiction declared this guy was a member of MS13, which is designated as a terrorist organization. He is a citizen of El Salvador; he's now in El Salvador, presumably in custody in a prison in El Salvador.

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT REASONS, FACTUAL EVIDENCE, WITNESS TESTIMONY, &/OR JUDICIAL ORDER THAT EL SALVADOR CAN RELY UPON TO JUSTIFY HIS CONTINUED IMPRISONMENT UNDER THEIR OWN JUDICIAL/ CRIMINAL SYSTEM!!! IN FACT, EL SALVADOR CAN HOLD HIM PURSUANT TO THE TWO PRIOR US COURTS' DETERMINATION; ADDITIONALLY, I BET EL SALVADOR WANTS TO AVOID ANY RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH FACILITATING THE TRANSIT OF A COURT-DETERMINED TERRORIST.

The SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that a US District Court doesn't have the legal authority to dictate ANYTHING to another country regarding their own citizens; the Order merely stated that IF El Salvador wanted to release him to US Authorities, that the Trump Administration should help "effectuate" his return. It didn't say WHEN he had to be returned nor HOW; if he's wanted for crimes in El Salvador, WHICH INCLUDES MS13 MEMBERSHIP, they can hold him for eternity, but IF they agree to send him back, they can take as long as they want & the US could technically put him on a banana boat to "effectuate" his return.

That's it; end of story.

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One correction.

The SCOTUS said Trump had to FACILITATE his return.

With the term "effectuate", they told the district court to clarify what it meant by that term and noted that they had to be careful not to exceed their authority...

On the long trail of lies around MS-13 member Garcia, and the fabricated 'pupeserio extortion.'

The Case For Not Correcting The "Mistake" Of Deporting An El Salvadoran To El Salvador , by @shipwreckedcrew

This is a long look at the case of the MS-13 member deported by error.

Link in next message. pic.twitter.com/UgQx88XA6x

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) April 14, 2025

Anyone who looks at the facts here with a scintilla of common sense will realize this guy was an MS13 member when he got here, and that the 'extortion' claims are just BS to keep him from being sent back (successfully, for 6+ years).

ETA, fair use extract before paywall:

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Let me start with some undisputed facts.

First, Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an illegal alien found by the Immigration Courts to be subject to removal from the United States. He has no right to return to or remain in the United States.

Second, all during the removal proceedings Abrego Garcia was detained. The initial detention was based upon a finding supported by the evidence presented that he was a member of MS-13. That finding was later upheld by the Bureau of Immigration Appeals. Much ink has been spilled in the past 10 days suggesting this finding was not supported by meaningful evidence. But it doesn't work that way he had a hearing, evidence was submitted, the determination was made, and it was upheld on appeal. And, as noted below, there is more evidence than the public has been led to believe.

Third, after being detained pending removal, Abrego Garcia sought three forms of relief in connection with the Order of Removal he sought asylum, he sought protection under the Convention Against Torture, and he sought Withholding of Removal. This document is the 14 page ruling by the Immigration Judge on those claims, and provide much more detail than is generally being bounced around on social media.
His asylum claim was rejected because it was filed more than one year after he entered the US he was in the U.S. for seven years, from 2012 to 2019, before he applied. His claim under the Convention Against Torture was denied because he could not make a factual basis in 2019 that he had a fear of torture by the Salvadoran government, and that is the harm to be avoided under the CAT.

Finally, he was granted "Withholding of Removal" WOR. Much like asylum claims, WOR is based on a fear of persecution if returned to one's home country. But while asylum grants the right to remain in the U.S., the relief under WOR is to not be returned to your own country you still get deported. His fear of being sent back to El Salvador was due to a threat of physical harm from a criminal gang that dominated the neighborhood where his family lived. Barrio 18 was a rival Salvadoran street gang to MS-13. The Order never says Abrego-Garcia was a member of MS-13 while in El Salvador, it only says that he fled El Salvador because Barrio 18 was threatening his family if they did not either 1) pay a "tax" on the money made by his mother selling pupusas out of their home, or 2) have Abrego Garcia join the gang. These claims were based on Abrego Garcia's own testimony and "affidavits" submitted by family members back in El Salvador

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How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.

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He can't order another country to do anything. They can ask and they said they'd provide a plane for the El Salvador one, but why can't you and 30 others understand this?

Also, it's funny how all the libs and Trump haters care about two individuals, but have no respect for the THOUSANDS of gang members and evil ****s they have sent back.

Enough.

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lol we cant order el salvador to do anything. maga

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Logos Stick said:

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He was afforded due process. He lost.

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You obviously know more about it than me. What Due process did he receive?

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A final order of removal was entered against him in 2019, after a judge found sufficient evidence he was a member of MS13. He had no right to remain here, and surely should have just left to somewhere else if he feared the now-eradicated gang in his homeland of El Salvador.

Canada might have taken him, tbf. HTH.

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who was the president when this happened/

Yes, and a lot happened then in 2020, just fyi. Removal proceedings were 'delayed' amidst Fauci's murderous pandemic.

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Because he was literally snatched off the street. The previous judgment orders would have been considered, if he had been deported when they were issued. And they would have been considered this time, if they had followed the rules when somebody finally decided to deport him. They also specifically violated one of the orders, which specifically stated that he wasn't to be returned to El Salvador. So, are now we only following some of the judgements but not all of them?

Edited, as I had forgotten another point McCarthy had made in another post.

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This distinction is salient because, Xinis's opinion recounts, the Justice Department has not produced any order of removal. To the contrary, DOJ conceded at Friday's hearing that "no order of removal is part of the record," and admitted that (quoting government counsel) "the removal order" from 2019 "cannot be executed." Xinis added that DOJ failed to produce any "warrant for removal/deportation," though such process is "customarily served on an alien as part of a lawful deportation or removal."

We can only conclude, then, that either (a) there was no removal order, or (b) any such order was so flawed that DOJ won't publicly rely on it (perhaps because it is explicitly tied to the immigration judge's express prohibition on deporting Abrego Garcia to El Salvador a prohibition that the government admits it has violated).

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Trumps own justice department refused to make the point you made - there was no removal order. Which means that he was not only snatched off the street, he was also illegally sent to another country. Why? Because we have passed laws to allow people we want to send away to get their say in court. And we didn't follow those laws.

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He got his day in court.

Yes there was a **** up by sending him to El Salvador, but that doesn't mean he didn't already get his due process.

This would be like a judge sentencing someone to 1 year in county jail and they **** up and send him to state prison. That person IS going away no matter what.

Just like this guy IS going to be deported even if his return is effectuated.

Bill Hemmer learned a lesson .... like all reporters... never go into an interview w/ Stephen Miller and expect to win an argument, forward your contrary agenda.

Hemmer got hammered.

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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What does facilitated mean LEGALLY, not just what it means to you?

Because that very conservative supreme court ALSO said that the district court needed to actually clarify EFFECTUATE with special care to understand that it doesn't exceed its authority...

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Because he was literally snatched off the street. The previous judgment orders would have been considered, if he had been deported when they were issued. And they would have been considered this time, if they had followed the rules when somebody finally decided to deport him. They also specifically violated one of the orders, which specifically stated that he wasn't to be returned to El Salvador. So, are now we only following some of the judgements but not all of them?

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Ignore everything any godless liberal ever says or demands. That is the best way to go through life. If we all start doing it, there is nothing they can do. They are anti-American trash. Laughing and mocking are the only appropriate responses to anything a liberal ever says.

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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I'm not surprised that liberals thought it was okay for millions of people to abuse asylum system to come here. I am also not surprised that they had no issues with them getting social security and voted in the US illegally. And I'm really not surprised that liberals have no problem with illegals being able to be a part of law enforce in New Mexico.

I'm truly not surprised at all.

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

Huh? Trump admin has offered a plane. Again, he can't force a country to return someone who is a citizen of THEIR country. You think American's can go there and physically remove him from the prison? The administration has admitted the error. It IS at El Salvador's discretion now.

You think if it was reversed another country could walk into our prisons and remove someone? Honestly?

What is is that YOU believe? In detail, please. What do you think the ES president has said to Trump? What is your theory?

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Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador who lived legally in Maryland, United States, when he was detained by Immigration and Customs ... Abrego Garcia is a Salvadoran citizen who has lived in Maryland for almost 15 years.

While he initially entered the U.S. without being granted legal status, a federal judge in 2019 granted him protection from being deported, due to concerns for his safety if he were to return to El Salvador.

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blacksox said:

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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I'm not surprised that liberals thought it was okay for millions of people to abuse asylum system to come here. I am also not surprised that they had no issues with them getting social security and voted in the US illegally. And I'm really not surprised that liberals have no problem with illegals being able to be a part or law enforce in New Mexico.

I'm truly not surprised at all.

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This.

It's quite gross.

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Lol look at all these trump haters who love gang members now? Lmao

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Well, their leaders do. Raskin, Bernie, Schumer all salivating to get violent people back here.

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The CNN clown tries to ask a framed gotcha question and gets schooled

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I am always confused when I see exchanges with the press like this...are you a member of the press because you are ******ed? or, did being a member of the press, make you ******ed?

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MarkTwain said:

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The CNN clown tries to ask a framed gotcha question and gets schooled

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I am always confused when I see exchanges with the press like this...are you a member of the press because you are ******ed? or, did being a member of the press, make you ******ed?

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Yes.

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Yes. If I have control over the prisoners, even if I choose to house them in a prison by contract, they are still in federal custody. Do you think prisoners are not still the responsibility of the state when they are housed in Harris County. Can Harris County say no when the state comes and gets them? Of course not. By law they are still considered to be in our custody.

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did you go to Hollywood Upstairs College of Law????

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No, I actually read the opinion of people who know what they are talking about, sometimes called subject matter experts. But back to my original point - all Trump has to do is follow the rules, and I wish he would do it.

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expert = someone with a credential that lawyers and politicians pay to say whatever fits their narrative.

And based on your posts, I don't think you've meaningfully read any of this stuff.

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Okay, you're one of those. So, if I share an opinion you don't agree with, I'm not meaningfully reading. Such a shallow analysis. But to be clear, yes, I trust the opinions of conservative lawyers like Andy McCarthy, who is neither a Never Trumper or a Trump Hater, and who in a former life was a US attorney who put terrorists in jail. His analysis, and those of conservatives like him, are much better reasoned than mine, but I can say that in the end it all can be summarized in the one point that Trump would be better served by following the rules to get a deportation that will stick. Because he will lose this one. In addition, it's things like this will cause all those moderates to vote for the leftists, and in two years we will end up fighting both houses of Congress. Too bad we are not in the majority, then we could deport anybody we want and wouldn't need to bother with silly things like the law.

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Okay, you're one of those. So, if I share an opinion you don't agree with, I'm not meaningfully reading. Such a shallow analysis. But to be clear, yes, I trust the opinions of conservative lawyers like Andy McCarthy, who is neither a Never Trumper or a Trump Hater, and who in a former life was a US attorney who put terrorists in jail. His analysis, and those of conservatives like him, are much better reasoned than mine, but I can say that in the end it all can be summarized in the one point that Trump would be better served by following the rules to get a deportation that will stick. Because he will lose this one. In addition,

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Andy McCarthy has definitely been a Trump hater. Not sure where he falls today.

How will he lose this? The Salvadoran is in El Salvador where he belongs. The President of El Salvador is fine with that.

nevermind, posted above

I agree with this mindset. The guy had a deportation order. There was just a hold on him going back to El Salvador ordered by a judge. Either keep him in detention until you can get another judge to overturn his claim (which wouldn't be hard to do) or send him to another country. Just follow the process and this isn't even a controversy. No one would even be talking about him.

Instead now you're just playing defense and giving another talking point to the left to sway swing voters. You are also proving them right by ignoring court orders.

May I pose a question to you?

Do you think that procedural due process afforded to citizens is the exact same as that afforded to illegal aliens in an administrative deportation proceeding?

Because they are not the same, not even close.

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I agree with this mindset. The guy had a deportation order. There was just a hold on him going back to El Salvador ordered by a judge. Either keep him in detention until you can get another judge to overturn his claim (which wouldn't be hard to do) or send him to another country. Just follow the process and this isn't even a controversy. No one would even be talking about him.

Instead now you're just playing defense and giving another talking point to the left to sway swing voters. You are also proving them right by ignoring court orders.

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Problem is, he's a member of a terror org. There is no such thing as holding orders for members of terrorists orgs.

No one is ignoring court orders.

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Lol look at all these trump haters who love gang members now? Lmao

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Politically, this is a ****ing goldmine for Republicans...

Imagine some sanctuary city's Soros-backed district attorney arresting an El Salvadoran national that's connected to the political elite of El Salvador and then attempt a prisoner swap to get that dude back to the U.S. .

I kid, but who knows what the progressive left will try.

aggiehawg said:

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May I pose a question to you?

Do you think that procedural due process afforded to citizens is the exact same as that afforded to illegal aliens in an administrative deportation proceeding?

Because they are not the same, not even close.

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I do not know the answer, but my sense is that I agree with you. However, my thoughts are not relevant since both the Fourth Circuit and the US Supreme Court ruled that they are entitled to due process. And they said that Venezuelans are also entitled to due process last week, in this opinion..

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He wasn't 'snatched' he was properly arrested and then deported once TdA was designated a terrorist organization. He wasn't improperly sent to El Salvador, and the withholding order no longer was valid.

Stephen Miller delivers the goods to Fox News, letting everyone know that the media reporting on the SCOTUS decision regarding the MS-13 gangster was incorrect.

pic.twitter.com/EznMJlZjIx

— john jackson (@pvtjokerus) April 14, 2025

Thankfully, Mr. Miller finally made all of this quite clear today. Sorry, MS-13 apologists, they've got to go back. He gone, and now we can just suffer on paying for his dependent children/wife (whom were no doubt dependent on taxpayer assistance anyway) for many years to come.

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A review of Abrego Garcia's 2019 case before a federal immigration judge revealsas noted by Vice President Vancethat the court found sufficient evidence to determine that the El Salvadoran national was, in fact, a member of MS-13. The court's determination is the equivalent of a conviction.

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https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/04/01/ms-13-hoax-alert-media-democrats-spin-gang-member-deportation-into-maryland-father-of-3-sob-story/

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What crime did he commit while being in MS-13? I can put on blue bandanna and say i'm a crip and that doesn't make me a criminal.

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Pretty sure that if you were cripped out hanging out in Mexico City, you would find yourself forcefully removed from that environment pretty damn quick.

Status report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia filed past 6 pm, recounts Nayib Bukele meeting & quote, reiterates that DHS has no authority to "forcibly extract an alien from the domestic custody of a foreign sovereign nation." And Judge Xinis? Inner City Press on the case https://t.co/B4i6Aoazlt pic.twitter.com/7KHyRBiR8i

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) April 14, 2025