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flown-the-coop said:

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Does this mean no one even at SCOTUS noticed this little detail?

Maybe SCOTUS should start looking at the facts of the case and every now and again think in regards to the US Constitution and what is right for OUR CITIZENS versus they constant falling on the sword of "procedure".

Congress should reduce the size of SCOTUS to one and eliminate all lower level courts. Time to start over.

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Not sure SCOTUS even had a partial record in that case.

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looks like the plaintiffs in this case have a rule 11 problem all of a sudden for failure to investigate their claims before bringing them. That withholding order is a public record.

This is all really quite hysterical to catch up on this evening.

You forgot this part pic.twitter.com/Ep4WQc8uDL

— C (@livysdaddy) April 23, 2025

The interesting thing about Guatemala is how many people this has confused, and what likelihood one of the people confused might have made an "administrative error" handling the planes logistics that day. We know they had the withhold order and were aware of it, but the…

— HipsterVader (Kylo Ren) (@hipstervader) April 23, 2025

🚨New filing in SCOTUS in Alien Enemies Act case: ACLU tells SCOTUS Trump Administration filed declaration under seal in district court regarding amount of time being provided aliens. Of course it isn't part of SCOTUS record because THERE WAS NO LOWER COURT DECISION. pic.twitter.com/KCjgvzuZJS

— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) April 23, 2025

JUST IN: Judge Xinis has postponed discovery in the Abrego Garcia case for a week, with the agreement of both sides. The reason is unclear but it follows a sealed filing from the government this AM. pic.twitter.com/10Vl3NmVBS

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) April 24, 2025

Article I referenced in the court battles thread.

Deported 'Maryland man' championed by Dems was pulled over driving car belonging to human smuggler https://www.foxnews.com/politics/deported-maryland-man-championed-dems-pulled-over-driving-car-belonging-human-smuggler

Yeah I think I put that somewhere too. He was obviously involved in the slavery/human trafficking biz. But never charged so the democrats and their partisans in courtrooms will just ignore that, studiously. That's how Democrats work, a la 'Hunter's laptop is just Russian disinformation so let's not cover/report acknowledge it.'

Still not real clear, but the judge gave an additional week which suggests State under seal says they will be doing something this week, and don't need the idiots at ACLU or district judges to muck it up.

Quote from the Opinion saying GARCIA HIMSELF claimed Barrio 18 was harassing his family.

Where does GARCIA HIMSELF say anything about his family being in Guatemala.

The Opinion goes on in some detail about Garcia's testimony.

It also says affidavits were submitted by… https://t.co/eevMOwkjw3

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) April 24, 2025

Just an anecdote about the human smuggling angle.

I know a guy in the construction business, building tiny homes, that had an employee that knew a couple of guys in the next town over that were looking for work. The guy takes his work truck picks up the 3-4 "laborers" and then heads back to the construction site.

On the way back he gets pulled over for speeding, officer asks for IDs on everyone in the vehicle and sure enough every worker he picked up was an illegal. He gets arrested for human smuggling for picking up people 20 miles down the road. He does deferred adjudication or something in order to get the charge removed after a year or something.

It almost bankrupt him since everyone searching his name online looking for reviews came across his arrest and mugshot for human smuggling.

Not saying that's what happened with Garcia, but it's possible.

Yes, yes, or maybe he was just driving them to a Saturday Mass service. Oh, wait, he told the state troopers he was transporting them from Maryland, to Texas in the Suburban that was known to be used for human smuggling. Because who wouldn't drive a gas guzzler a couple thousand miles to pick up some laborers who happen to be illegal aliens and then give them some fresh work?

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When Abrego Garcia was stopped in 2022 by the Tennessee state trooper, Homeland Security intelligence created a record of the encounter, Just the News reported. The El Salvadoran was driving a black 2001 Chevrolet Suburban and said he was transporting his passengers to Maryland from Texas for construction work, although the state trooper found no luggage in the SUV.

Homeland Security documents identified the owner of the vehicle as Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes. Abrego Garcia told the state trooper that the owner was his boss. However, that SUV was flagged separately by the Homeland Security Investigations Baltimore field office as belonging to a target they suspected of human trafficking or smuggling, the documents show.

"Vehicle is used by HSI Baltimore target in human smuggling/trafficking operation. Vehicle makes trips to southern border to pick up non-citizens," the record reads. The memo says the Baltimore HSI case agent should be notified if the vehicle is encountered.

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And this was after he noted to courts his family was being harassed by a rival gang in Honduras. And after he was found by two courts to be MS-13 based on not just his attire, but confirmation by others found with him as to his rank of Chequeo with a street name of Chele in the organization etc.

But it could be a similar situation to your anecdote, sure. Probably not, but skeptical Democrats/TDS will find a way to see it as plausible.

My understanding of the "chequeo" designation is that is the last ""level" before full gang membership.

In our land of lib semantics, this may help there "not a gang member" since he has not fulfilled his obligations for full membership - usually entailing the murder of someone.

But as it "mostly peaceful protestors", this guy was "Maryland father, aspiring community organizer, passionate husband, taxpayer in training".

I'll admit I have no knowledge of the MS-13 rank process/structure. It just seems like such obvious common sense to anyone not trying to find a technicality or 'well it could be' that it's not worth debating. But here we are, and it's 2025 after all.

I do acknowledge they'll latch onto anything, as with Van Hollen crying about 'the last judge who looked at this' (partisan tyrant Boasberg) found 'no evidence' (in his proceeding without jurisdiction) 'of gang membership.'

Good. Thats human smuggling. Those people have no right to be here and he was transporting them. Same should happen to you if you are transporting illegals.

Van Hollen also claimed that they put Tajin on their ice water glasses to make it look like margs.

The more believable story would be… according to unnamed sources who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss and are asking for whistleblower protections… the Senator engaged in intimate heavy petting of underage alpacas during this visit to the San Salvador outskirts.

You see, when MSM makes up stories it's not hard for journalists like myself to copy the process.

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Good. Thats human smuggling. Those people have no right to be here and he was transporting them. Same should happen to you if you are transporting illegals.

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As a person who owns a couple of construction businesses, I would absolutely agree that the behavior described in indeed supportive of human trafficking. In addition to being incredibly ******ed behavior of the employee.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Good. Thats human smuggling. Those people have no right to be here and he was transporting them. Same should happen to you if you are transporting illegals.

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Here's the thing I haven't seen even commented about as to this human smuggling matter; the article I linked above noted the following:

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Owner of SUV driven by Garcia deported in 2021, car was on 'watch list'
Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes, who Abrego Garcia claimed he was working for, had been previously convicted of smuggling illegal aliens into the United States.
In 2020, Hernandez Reyes, himself an illegal alien, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 18 months in prison for smuggling fellow illegal aliens in the United States after he was stopped by law enforcement in Mississippi in a car with passengers from Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras. Homeland Security records indicate Hernandez Reyes' "deport order" was reinstated in March 2021, as his 18-month sentence was nearing its end.
A Homeland Security official confirmed to Just the News that the Hernandez Reyes mentioned in both cases refer to the same individual. It is unclear what relationship Abrego Garcia has with Hernandez Reyes. Though he told the Tennessee trooper the vehicle was owned by his boss, Just the News has been unable to confirm whether Abrego Garcia actually worked for Hernandez Reyes.
Lawyers for Abrego Garcia did not respond to requests for comment from Just the News.
Despite this, the similarities between the traffic stops are striking. The Justice Department said that Hernandez Reyes and one co-defendant were stopped by police in Jackson County, Mississippi. The driver, Modesto Alvarez, was later determined to be Hernandez Reyes' brother-in-law.
Investigators discovered that of the nine men, eight, including Hernandez Reyes, were illegally present in the United States. Three of the passengerscitizens of Mexico, El Salvador, and Honduraswere determined to have been previously deported from the United States and had illegally returned, the Justice Department said. They were charged with unlawful reentry to the United States.
Officers determined that Alvarez and Hernandez Reyes were transporting the illegal immigrants from their home base of Houston, Texas, to different locations throughout the United States.
Abrego Garcia was stopped in Tennessee for driving erratically and speeding by a state trooper in late November 2022 and was found to be driving an SUV full of people also coming from Houston, Texas, according to the documents. Abrego Garcia's expired driver's license and lack of luggage in the car led the state trooper to suspect smuggling or trafficking was involved, the records show.
Hernandez Reyes in August 2020 pleaded guilty to smuggling illegal aliens and was sentenced to 18 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release, per the Justice Department. Upon completion of the prison sentence, Hernandez Reyes was slated to face deportation proceedings and become subject to a possible further 10 years in prison if he returns.
Unlike the Hernandez Reyes case, the trooper in the case did not arrest Abrego Garcia or escalate the investigation. But, Homeland Security picked up on the traffic stop through its computer-aided dispatch report system. Agents reviewed the target and determined he was a "suspect alien" and referred his matter for review to "passport control," the records show.

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How many similar incidents, perhaps even just in the southeast (say 9 states with pro law-enforcement state AG's), with 7 or more illegal aliens in a vehicle driven by an illegal alien, did Homeland Security just tell the state troopers to let them pass/release over the past 4 years of the Biden-Mayorkas invasion? It wasn't for lack of resources, obviously, as billion$ flowed to business partner NGO's like Catholic/Lutheran/Jewish charities to 'resettle' these migrants in communities like Baltimore/NYC etc.

My point is, folks like Hernandez Reyes/Abrego Garcia/MS-13 were functionally business partners in the transport, for those who didn't make it onto Mayorkas Express flights directly from Panama etc. Who were the mid-level bosses at DHS/ICE at the time who just told states to 'let them pass' as they seem to have been complicit in undermining national security through a corrupt practice of enforcement/communication? This seems like something the State AG's (or others) could sue to provide public records as to the history, and impact on later lawlessness these illegal aliens participated in.

And, where is Hernandez Reyes today?

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And I've answered it multiple times - provide the guy with all the process he was entitled to under the law if they hadn't unlawfully sent him to El Salvador. That's not my conclusion - that's the conclusion of all three courts who have considered the case.

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Still stanning for this one?

What, you saw the other thread? In that one I was saying just change the law. Just think what will happen when we don't have Trump protecting the border.

The law is fine. It helps when Presidents (and judges) follow it.

Changing the law would not have made Biden follow it. He ignored the law altogether. As are the judges currently.

Sadly no. The law says that when captured they must be detained. But Congress hasn't provided the money for enough detention, which is why they are released and are given a summons to appear, which of course they never do. And Congress hasn't provided the money for enough hearing officers to address the asylum claims as required by the statute anyway. So, change the law and allow immediate deportation without the opportunity for a hearing. Or change the law to require the Remain in Mexico policy.

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Sadly no. The law says that when captured they must be detained. But Congress hasn't provided the money for enough detention, which is why they are released and are given a summons to appear, which of course they never do. And Congress hasn't provided the money for enough hearing officers to address the asylum claims as required by the statute anyway. So, change the law and allow immediate deportation without the opportunity for a hearing. Or change the law to require the Remain in Mexico policy.

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Funny how all of the changes happened not due to a significant shift in congress, but right around Jan 20, 2021.

None of this was 'because of' congressional action/inaction. And that's just border apprehensions (and releases). The Democrats goal was to clearly 'break the system.' It worked, until Jan 20, 2025.

Nah.

Cloward-Piven is what the democrats chose.

Have they explained why?

What? Your own figure indicates that the apprehensions averaged over a million a year 20-25 years ago. The majority of that period was under GW Bush. This is a long-standing problem, although I agree 100% that it was made worse by Biden's deliberate sabotage.

Potential plot twist on the sealed filing, Perino on The Five has been hammering about Trump admin to just fly Kilmar back, having a hearing, deport him. Or do it at an embassy in El Salvador or elsewhere.

Could it be that they are planning just that and that is what is under seal? The process and movements? Perino just indicated there are some potential updates as a tease.

Just a thought.

They could also fly a judge to the embassy, have him taken there (US territory), hold the hearing, then hand him back over.

The important thing is that he spends no time near DC, NYC, or California.

flown-the-coop said:

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Potential plot twist on the sealed filing, Perino on The Five has been hammering about Trump admin to just fly Kilmar back, having a hearing, deport him. Or do it at an embassy in El Salvador or elsewhere.

Could it be that they are planning just that and that is what is under seal? The process and movements? Perino just indicated there are some potential updates as a tease.

Just a thought.

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Doubt they want to set a precedent here.

Good article by Ship. Lays out current situation and likely outcome.

https://t.co/8FgJVK0j5C

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) April 26, 2025

Ship's been on about how he's never been convicted of a crime in El Salvador, and wasn't sent there under the AEA agreement. Not sure that really is the case as to the former anyway, but he's going to die on that hill until proven otherwise. I like his conclusion anyway:

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The bottom line is that a district court judge cannot change immigration laws through a "judgment." The Maryland federal judge cannot grant Abrego Garcia the right to return and remain in the United States -- regardless of any error that resulted in him being deported to the wrong country. Congress dramatically revised immigration law in 2005 to eliminate nearly all jurisdiction for district courts in immigration matters.

The ASSUMPTION that she could force the Administration to return him to the United States rested largely upon the INCORRECT belief that he was sent to CECOT under the agreement reached between the United States and El Salvador connected to the Alien Enemies Act proclamation addressing Tren de Aragua members in the country illegally. That turns out to not be the case.

The only issue now is how to correct the error made on March 15. Arranging for the correction of that error is not a matter for a federal district court to facilitate -- and I think that realization set in this past week.
I expect a resolution in the next 7 days, Abrego-Garcia will not be coming back to the U.S., and the case will be dismissed.

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Another funny take from Townhall:

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And why not? Trump recognizes that eighty percent of America is still sane and do not want to see human smuggling, wife-assaulting, illegal aliens freely roaming America's streets. They see that anyone who does support that policy is clinically insane. So let the Democrats make highly publicized pilgrimages to El Salvador to demand the release and return of this creep to America's protective embrace. It makes them look ridiculous.

And it also distracts from attention that would otherwise be directed to difficulties the Trump administration is facing on other fronts, such as volatile equities markets, senior government officials being terminated for leaking to the press, and headwinds in getting a Ukrainian peace deal done.

In short, Kilmar Abrego Garcia and his Democrat Party patrons are an enormous gift to Donald Trump and his administration. Trump is the Obi Wan Kenobi of modern American politics, leading his ragtag band of Jedi warriors trying to restore American greatness and employing his greatest Mind Trick yet with Abrego Garcia. Run-of-the-mill Democrats can certainly be cast as mindless Galactic Empire stormtroopers, but I would hardly credit Chris Van Hollen or any of the other Democratic boobs trekking to El Salvador as special pleaders for Abrego Garcia with possessing the evil genius of Darth Vader or Emperor Palpatine.

That would be stretching the analogy into unbelievability.

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Trump's Jedi Mind Trick: Kilmar Abrego Garcia https://t.co/tgn62Z0SJf

— 🌺🌿kam🌿🌺 (@pjkate) April 27, 2025

More gang affiliation corroboration.

https://t.co/bD5t2eSyuv

— Jennie Taer 🎗️ (@JennieSTaer) April 29, 2025

Not enough. Due process for deporting gang banger terrorist wife beater human traffickers back to their home country requires more than multiple sworn affidavits, gang tattoos, clothing, known associations, and being found amongst other gang members. It's simply not enough.

Yep. It's never enough.

During an interview with an ABC host, Trump repeatedly stated that "MS13" was on the knuckles of Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

There is a ton of confusion here so let’s clear this up.

The picture Trump is referring to does have the characters "MS13" superimposed onto his knuckles, but… pic.twitter.com/uTyH8eDgsq

— Media Lies (@MediasLies) April 30, 2025

The media will just lie about it until it's no longer useful to them, as with Hunter's laptop, Biden's 'sharp as a tack' mental acuity, Hillary's fake Russian dossier, etc.

There is plenty of evidence Garcia is in a gang, but that interview is not a good look for Trump. He seems to think the "MS 13" letters and numbers were the tattoo and not the picture as interpreted to mean MS13. He seems to not know about the photoshop.

The media will distort everything against Trump. That's a given. But ABC didn't do that here, at least in this clip.

In this clip, the interviewer says the literal letters, MS 13 or not on his knuckles, but the tattoos are interpreted to mean MS 13 by some, and if there is a dispute on that.

Trump pushes back as if the actual letters/numbers MS 13 are tattooed. As the Twitter points out, it looks like no one told Trump about the Photoshop part.

I think it's a real stretch to see Trump as unaware, or that anyone would view this as an attempt at a photoshop to deceive.

Dude did not understand that the MS13 was added into the photo to decipher the actual tattoo on his fingers.

WOW, today’s arguments are really low iq pic.twitter.com/0tu1Rn930Y

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) April 30, 2025

I certainly wouldn't ever claim Trump is the most articulate wordsmith in the world, but his point is valid as to what the symbology is and the portion of the public that has paid any attention at all is fully aware (Kilmer Garcia's wife started hiding his knuckles in pictures online).

🚨NEW: Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s wife covered his MS-13 knuckle tattoo with heart emojis in a TikTok post promoting her GoFundMe, which has already raised $238,000.

“M” for marijuana
“S” as a smiley face
“1” as a cross
“3” as three dots in a skull pic.twitter.com/D6ntnhx0E8

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) April 18, 2025

Edit: wanted to make sure it didn't convey above some sort of name-calling here. Not my intent.

...Trump stated “I could. And if he were the gentleman that you say he is, I would do that.” He did add: “I’m not the one making this decision. We have lawyers who don’t want to do this, Terry. … I follow the law. You want me to follow the law. If I were the president that just…

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) April 30, 2025

...It is clear that the Justice Department wants the matter back before the Supreme Court to clearly define the limits of judicial authority. It is very unlikely that the Court will find that a U.S. court can order the release of an El Salvadorian from an El Salvadorian prison.

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) April 30, 2025

The video makes it seem pretty clear Trump was unaware or forgot or was confused . Even the anti-media Twitter account sees that.

The photo was clearly not meant to deceive. It was to explain.