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BINGO

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A review of Abrego Garcia's 2019 case before a federal immigration judge revealsas noted by Vice President Vancethat the court found sufficient evidence to determine that the El Salvadoran national was, in fact, a member of MS-13. The court's determination is the equivalent of a conviction.

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https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/04/01/ms-13-hoax-alert-media-democrats-spin-gang-member-deportation-into-maryland-father-of-3-sob-story/

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What crime did he commit while being in MS-13? I can put on blue bandanna and say i'm a crip and that doesn't make me a criminal.

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Pretty sure that if you were cripped out hanging out in Mexico City, you would find yourself forcefully removed from that environment pretty damn quick.

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Not to mention he entered illegally.

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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Due process shouldn't exist for those who enter illegally.

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BusterAg said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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BINGO

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A review of Abrego Garcia's 2019 case before a federal immigration judge revealsas noted by Vice President Vancethat the court found sufficient evidence to determine that the El Salvadoran national was, in fact, a member of MS-13. The court's determination is the equivalent of a conviction.

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https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/04/01/ms-13-hoax-alert-media-democrats-spin-gang-member-deportation-into-maryland-father-of-3-sob-story/

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What crime did he commit while being in MS-13? I can put on blue bandanna and say i'm a crip and that doesn't make me a criminal.

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Pretty sure that if you were cripped out hanging out in Mexico City, you would find yourself forcefully removed from that environment pretty damn quick.

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Not to mention he entered illegally.

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Pretty sure I'd end up looking something like this if I tried to pose as a crip.

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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WHAT IF we learn that the reasons he sought "asylum" were utter nonsense, & instead, he's a fugitive from El Salvador on account of his membership in MS13, OR WORSE, because he committed a heinous crime(s) in furtherance of MS13's activities?

IF such information comes to light, will your position change about whether or not this guy belongs back in America or in a El Salvador jail?

FWIW, I haven't seen any evidence of such or whether such even exists; however, if some critical factual scenario along those lines is being ignored so that the current narrative goes unchallenged, that would render moot much of the hysteria surrounding this guy. Do you agree?

As Stephen Miller said - none of these people advocating for him would want him to live next door. They are perfectly fine subjecting others to that (and ignoring facts) so they can feel morally superior. Tracks with everything else they are about.

My God I would HATE Stephen Miller if I was a liberal.

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My God I would HATE Stephen Miller if I was a liberal.

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Liberals hate everything. Unhappiest people on the planet.

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Worse. They are devoid of happiness.

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blacksox said:

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I am actually a little surprised that the conservative lot are so on board with the executive deporting people without due process. That's kind of a big deal. Regardless of what nonsense you pretend to believe about some due process taking place years ago, a very conservative supreme court ordered him to be "faciliated" back and Trump is refusing. Trump and the President of El Salvador are on the same stage both pretending they can't transport one guy between their two countries. And some of you actually believe it?

I thought I would see more people in favor of the Constitution instead of the trump cult of personality. But here we are. Not good!

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Due process shouldn't exist for those who enter illegally.

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I disagree. We have to have due process to show that they entered illegally. Then we deport them. That is all the due process required.

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Due process shouldn't exist for those who enter illegally.

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I disagree. We have to have due process to show that they entered illegally. Then we deport them. That is all the due process required.

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All of which has happened for this goon.

dims desperately trying to spin this

The Supreme Court, in a unanimous decision, made it clear that the Trump Administration must facilitate Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s return home.

Instead, Trump is hiding behind the president of El Salvador and is mocking our judicial system from the Oval Office.

Ignoring this ruling… https://t.co/9pjeFwKR0e

— Rep. Sylvia Garcia (@RepSylviaGarcia) April 14, 2025

So he’s just gonna double down?

This is Russia Russia Russia 2.0!

This man needs to be in prison. https://t.co/UrhlEg7r17

— Tom Truths (@SpeakAmerTruth) April 15, 2025

and here we go

Adam Schiff needs to go into the El Salvador prison and get the guy out.

dims are sending the no name senator from maryland

I've been clear: if President Bukele doesn't want to meet here in D.C., then I intend to go to El Salvador this week to check on Kilmar Abrego Garcia's condition and discuss his release.

Kilmar was illegally ABDUCTED and deported by the Trump Admin. He must be brought home NOW. pic.twitter.com/Hunr6F31J3

— Senator Chris Van Hollen (@ChrisVanHollen) April 15, 2025

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dims are sending the no name senator from maryland

I've been clear: if President Bukele doesn't want to meet here in D.C., then I intend to go to El Salvador this week to check on Kilmar Abrego Garcia's condition and discuss his release.

Kilmar was illegally ABDUCTED and deported by the Trump Admin. He must be brought home NOW. pic.twitter.com/Hunr6F31J3

— Senator Chris Van Hollen (@ChrisVanHollen) April 15, 2025

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If this clown goes to El Salvador and tries to circumvent Trump's policy charge his ass with a violation of the Logan Act immediately

This is so unwise.

The Dems are saying that a citizen of El Salvador that has been found to be a member of an illegal terrorist organization by a US court needs to be "brought home" to the US.

This is Torbush level "WOW"

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This is so unwise.

The Dems are saying that a citizen of El Salvador that has been found to be a member of an illegal terrorist organization by a US court needs to be "brought home" to the US.

This is Torbush level "WOW"

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No, it's kinda what I expect from that side of the aisle.

When the no-name from Maryland heads down there, El Salvador is more than welcome to keep him too.

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If this clown goes to El Salvador and tries to circumvent Trump's policy charge his ass with a violation of the Logan Act immediately

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The party of thieves, murderers, and criminals. Now Van Hollen wants to usurp the power of the Executive Branch.

the left steals power like when they stole the election

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Because he was literally snatched off the street. The previous judgment orders would have been considered, if he had been deported when they were issued. And they would have been considered this time, if they had followed the rules when somebody finally decided to deport him. They also specifically violated one of the orders, which specifically stated that he wasn't to be returned to El Salvador. So, are now we only following some of the judgements but not all of them?

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This distinction is salient because, Xinis's opinion recounts, the Justice Department has not produced any order of removal. To the contrary, DOJ conceded at Friday's hearing that "no order of removal is part of the record," and admitted that (quoting government counsel) "the removal order" from 2019 "cannot be executed." Xinis added that DOJ failed to produce any "warrant for removal/deportation," though such process is "customarily served on an alien as part of a lawful deportation or removal."

We can only conclude, then, that either (a) there was no removal order, or (b) any such order was so flawed that DOJ won't publicly rely on it (perhaps because it is explicitly tied to the immigration judge's express prohibition on deporting Abrego Garcia to El Salvador a prohibition that the government admits it has violated).

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Trumps own justice department refused to make the point you made - there was no removal order. Which means that he was not only snatched off the street, he was also illegally sent to another country. Why? Because we have passed laws to allow people we want to send away to get their say in court. And we didn't follow those laws.

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Nothing in your quotes say he was "snatched off the street". Why do libs insist on adding hyperbole when trying to make a point. It's undermines anything you're trying to communicate, everyone just rolls there eyes and ignores anything else you state.

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Nothing in your quotes say he was "snatched off the street". Why do libs insist on adding hyperbole when trying to make a point. It's undermines anything you're trying to communicate, everyone just rolls there eyes and ignores anything else you state.

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Let me help you out, via Google, which will tell you that "Federal immigration agents arrested Abrego Garcia, 29, on March 12 after pulling him over in an Ikea parking lot near his home in Beltsville, Maryland, about half an hour outside of Washington." So, my apologies, he was snatched out of an Ikea parking lot. If "snatched" is too harsh a criticism for you, I'll allow "taken into custody". But if I was "taken into custody" and denied due process, I would call it being "snatched." Or maybe "grabbed", "plucked", or "carried off". So, close your mind and roll your eyes.

Now this president is talking about deporting US citizens.

" When asked by Fox's Rachel Campos-Duffy if the prison could be used for "our own violent criminals," Trump replied that it was possible, saying it could be implemented for what he referred to as "homegrown" offenders. The ones that grew up and something went wrong, and they hit people over the head with a baseball bat, and push people into subways just before the train gets there, like you see happening sometimes," Trump said. "We are looking into it, and we want to do it. I would love to do that.""

Honest questions

Has this president ever seen the bill of rights? "We're looking into it." Doesn't take long to find out that this is clearly unconstitutional.

Now that trump has made it clear he has no respect for due process or the courts, what's to stop him from making a false accusation against someone and jetting them off to his tin pot dictator buddy's mega jail in El Salvador? Once that person is out of the country, he can throw his hands up and say "well it's up to el salvador…"

Where does bill of rights say criminals can't be incarnated in a foreign country?

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Now this president is talking about deporting US citizens.

" When asked by Fox's Rachel Campos-Duffy if the prison could be used for "our own violent criminals," Trump replied that it was possible, saying it could be implemented for what he referred to as "homegrown" offenders. The ones that grew up and something went wrong, and they hit people over the head with a baseball bat, and push people into subways just before the train gets there, like you see happening sometimes," Trump said. "We are looking into it, and we want to do it. I would love to do that.""

Honest questions

Has this president ever seen the bill of rights? "We're looking into it." Doesn't take long to find out that this is clearly unconstitutional.

Now that trump has made it clear he has no respect for due process or the courts, what's to stop him from making a false accusation against someone and jetting them off to his tin pot dictator buddy's mega jail in El Salvador? Once that person is out of the country, he can throw his hands up and say "well it's up to el salvador…"

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Let me help you out, via Google, which will tell you that "Federal immigration agents arrested Abrego Garcia, 29, on March 12 after pulling him over in an Ikea parking lot

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Now do January 6.

Update from McCarthy. I know this is difficult for some of you MAGA to accept, but yes, the Trump DOJ can make mistakes. The Supreme Court, a majority of which most of us support, including two who are originalists, have said that the man is entitled to due process. The DOJ denied him due process. The Supremes gave directives, and the judge issued an order restating those directives. The DOJ responded by lying. I have a problem with that, and guess what, if it was Biden's DOJ doing that, I would have the same problem. How many of you complained about the J6 defendants and their lack of due process? If you take the opposite position on this one you are a hypocrite. And even if non-citizens have a lowered standard of entitlement to due process than citizens, it makes no difference in this case, since the Supreme Court already said that they were entitled.

The Semantic Separation of Powers Distraction in the Abrego Garcia Case

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At a conference on Friday in Maryland federal court, consistent with the Supreme Court's ruling the previous evening, Judge Xinis directed the Justice Department to address the following matters:

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(1) the current physical location and custodial status of Abrego Garcia; (2) what steps, if any, Defendants [i.e., administration officials] have taken to facilitate Abrego Garcia's immediate return to the United States; and (3) what additional steps Defendants will take, and when, to facilitate his return.

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The administration is trying to slow-walk the matter of returning Abrego Garcia to the U.S., risibly contending that the DOJ is still studying the Supreme Court's decision (all of four pages long including the few lines in a single paragraph that spell out the Court's directives). Consequently, after the Supreme Court ruled last Thursday evening, the DOJ initially asked Xinis to postpone any hearings until this week. By contrast, Xinis is apoplectic at the administration's refusal to cure its dereliction and has demanded daily updates about steps the government has taken to bring Abrego Garcia back.
Finally, on Saturday, the Justice Department provided the court with a terse update a declaration from State Department official Michael G. Kozak, who states:

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It is my understanding based on official reporting from our Embassy in San Salvador that Abrego Garcia is currently being held in the Terrorism Confinement Center in El Salvador. He is alive and secure in the facility. He is detained pursuant to the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador.

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In submitting the Kozak declaration, and nothing else, the Trump DOJ defied Xinis's order (which itself is based on the Supreme Court's order we'll come to that momentarily). To begin with, Kozak did not address what steps the United States government has taken, and intends to take, to secure Abrego Garcia's return. Moreover, while Kozak did report on Abrego Garcia's location, his purported disclosure about the prisoner's status was gibberish.

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Patently, what Xinis was asking, in inquiring about Abrego Garcia's "custodial status," is why he is imprisoned in the one country to which the U.S. government was not permitted to send him. The administration isn't answering that question. In fact, we don't even know if Kozak asked for that information: He says he got input from the State Department's Salvadoran embassy; that doesn't tell the judge what, if anything, the Department of Homeland Security, State Department headquarters, and the Justice Department are doing to comply with order to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return.

There is no doubt that the Supreme Court has endorsed Judge's Xinis's order. As the justices unambiguously concluded, that "order properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador."

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Nevertheless, the Abrego Garcia dispute is not about settled legal principles. It is about the facts of the agreement between the U.S. and El Salvador regarding the detention of a prisoner facing (and entitled to) legal proceedings in federal court. To the extent that settled legal principles regarding separation of powers and presidential control over foreign policy are germane, they have already resulted in the custody cooperation agreement. Now the question is, under the terms of that agreement which, as El Salvador has publicly acknowledged, give the Trump administration continuing control over the fate of the prisoners what steps need to be taken to return Abrego Garcia to the United States?

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Let me help you out, via Google, which will tell you that "Federal immigration agents arrested Abrego Garcia, 29, on March 12 after pulling him over in an Ikea parking lot

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Yes, but you can't ignore the next step, which is providing them the due process that the laws require. Or should we ignore the laws in this case?

Don't care what McCarthy thinks.

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Let me help you out, via Google, which will tell you that "Federal immigration agents arrested Abrego Garcia, 29, on March 12 after pulling him over in an Ikea parking lot

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Yes, but you can't ignore the next step, which is providing them the due process that the laws require. Or should we ignore the laws in this case?

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This guy got due process. He was confirmed as an MS-13 gang member. He had a deportation order.

Last time I checked they all went free.