No no they are just defending due process! It is not their fault that their chosen savior of the 5th Amendment is not the perfect martyr and has a few blemishes for repeated beating the **** out of his wife (new recordings in her OWN voice attesting to multiple, violent videos), human "smuggling" and cute tattoos on his fingers being photoshopped to gang tattoos.

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Imagine defending a government that does not respect the rights of people, citizens or not. It's un-American, IMHO.

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Bro had a deportation order. He was deported.

If he were facilitated back, he'd be immediately deported again

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No no they are just defending due process! It is not their fault that their chosen savior of the 5th Amendment is not the perfect martyr and has a few blemishes for repeated beating the **** out of his wife (new recordings in her OWN voice attesting to multiple, violent videos), human "smuggling" and cute tattoos on his fingers being photoshopped to gang tattoos.

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how many times do we have to see Kilmar beat his wife

before Senator Chris Van Hollen stops flying down to El Salvador?

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The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.

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This guy has no legal right to be here and the Supreme Court did not require he be brought back. He's a terrorist and a thug. **** him.

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The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.

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The SC made clear that they did not expect him to bring the thug back.

That would be kidnapping, anyway.Stop pretending you don't know what was ruled.

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The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.

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This guy has no legal right to be here and the Supreme Court did not require he be brought back. He's a terrorist and a thug. **** him.

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Supreme Court
The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.

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The SC made clear that they did not expect him to bring the thug back.

That would be kidnapping, anyway.Stop pretending you don't know what was ruled.

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Poor guy can't stop. The propaganda is so delicious.

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So now he's a human trafficer? He's helping subject those people to " involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery" "through the use of force, fraud, or coercion"?

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Yes

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If those people were under duress, why wasn't their behavior noted by law enforcement? Why didn't just one of them speak up?

How about 'human smuggling'? That would be more likely.

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Are you serious? Do you have any idea what would've happened to them and/or their family if they turned in an MS-13 gang member?

So not only was Maryland Man here illegally, had a deportation order, has MS13 tats. HE WAS A HUMAN SMUGGLER




Cops on Body cam talking about him "hauling these people for money"

ETA: the FBI called these cops advising them not to detain Maryland Man. Highway Patrol called ICE and they never showed up...this according to reporting on the video Tim Pool is talking about

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The issue is not about "defending the dude". It's about controlling government, where government follows the rule of law, including judicial orders. That's not happening here.

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they deported a thug with a removal order. What's your problem?

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The same problem the Supreme Court has.

ETA: This comment sticks out in the court's ruling.

To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia's warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison.

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tell me you don't know anything about how immigration law works without telling me you know nothing about immigration law.

Anytime a leftist on this subject throws out a "due process" argument gets immediately thrown in the ****** box because you have no clue what that means in this context.

A. D. C.
A - Always
D - Defend
C - Criminals

Always defend criminals. Always defend criminals! First place is a cushy NGO job for one or more of your relatives. Second place is a set of steak knives. Third place is you're fired.

It's very naive how people can take statements attributed to a Supreme Court ruling as being oblivious to a situation for which was ruled on.

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It's very naive how people can take statements attributed to a Supreme Court ruling as being oblivious to a situation for which was ruled on.

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Says the non lawyer who has no idea what an appellate record is.

As if the Supreme Court didn't review the appellate record. So silly.

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As if the Supreme Court didn't review the appellate record. So silly.

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you are almost ready to learn the truth. The problem with the appellate record on these cases is that there have been almost zero evidentiary hearings.

Everything has been expedited without a full hearing and a record that includes presentations of evidence subject to cross examination by both sides.

SC can't discover facts that aren't in the record. The social media pronouncements are not in the appellate record.

Goal posts move so fast.

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Goal posts move so fast.

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Been tough updating the spreadsheet on this one.

So providing the proper context and relevant details is now moving the goalposts?

If SCOTUS feels as though Trump has ignored them, they have been awfully silent on it. And we know Roberts does not hesitate to admonish Trump when necessary.

Its a valiant effort to make Kilmar a symbol of illegal immigrant martyrdom, but its best to vet you sob stories a bit better.

We are no longer in the age of Saint George Floyd dying from fentanyl and lying about it to start a race war.

But keep on fighting. In doing so you are actually validating what Trump is doing and actually growing his support.

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Goal posts move so fast.

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You really dislike facts. There is a reason that the appellate process takes years before cases reach courts of appeals and the Supreme Court.

The district courts develop a record over a number of events, filings and hearings. That lengthy process is absent here.

When you don't even know the playing field, you should not begin to discuss goal posts.

A lengthy processes that was not afforded to the person in this case?

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A lengthy processes that was not afforded to the person in this case?

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Again, you are too ignorant to follow the bouncing ball.

See "due process" into the dumpster heap comment from someone else above.

The stark difference between an immigration process and the appellate process of the US Supreme Court is clear and obvious to anyone with above room temperature IQ.

Enjoy your wallow of ignorance.

Then why bring up the appellate process if the point is moot?

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A lengthy processes that was not afforded to the person in this case?

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Look they want to drag this out as long as possible to prevent as many people from leaving and screwing them during the census. The bottom line is they don't care that the guy was involved in violent gangs, involved in slinging drugs, involved in human trafficking, involved in domestic violence and God only knows what else. They don't care about any of that. Because they don't care about Americans. They only care about power. They inflicted all this on Americans for power. They took money from you and borrowed money from the future to give to illegals to entice more to come in knowing that it would help them keep power.

Do they care that our prisons are full of illegals and gangs that then take their violence back to the streets?
Do they care that these people kill, rape and rob Americans every year when they shouldn't be here?
Do they care that this makes Americans poorer and helps sustain a permanent underclass in society?
Do they care that almost 100,000 Americans a year die of drug overdoses largely on the basis of these drugs?
Do they care about any of the victims of this unnecessary bull that has been imported and unleashed here?

No, no, no, no and no.

They care that they get more votes, more seats and they keep money flowing to their clients. And the rest of us be damned. We're just the suckers paying for it.

The problem with dredging society for security concerns, is you end up severely limiting the freedoms of the innocent by prioritizing the punishment of the guilty over protecting the freedoms of the innocent. Blackstone's ratio comes to mind.

Or, to quote John Adams,
We find, in the rules laid down by the greatest English Judges, who have been the brightest of mankind; We are to look upon it as more beneficial, that many guilty persons should escape unpunished, than one innocent person should suffer. The reason is, because it's of more importance to community, that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt should be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in the world, that all of them cannot be punished; and many times they happen in such a manner, that it is not of much consequence to the public, whether they are punished or not. But when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, it is immaterial to me, whether I behave well or ill; for virtue itself, is no security. And if such a sentiment as this, should take place in the mind of the subject, there would be an end to all security what so ever.

Or, to quote Ben Franklin,

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Trump is providing more due process and lengthier times to appeal than either Biden or Obama did.

Let that sink in. Trump to date has offered MORe due process with these deportations than has been traditionally provided under those administrations.

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None of the courts have agreed with your opinion, including, courts overseen by Trump appointees, and the Supreme Court.

To be completely honest about the Obama numbers of people he claimed to deport. His stats were padded because they were counting people turned away at the border as deportations when they never actually set foot on US Soil other than the port of entry.

Then there's this guy that did a study and heres his results

FEE Study

Dude aat in front of a judge twice and got a deportation order in return.

The problem wasn't the deportation, it was that he was sent home.

If he would have been sent to russia, no problem.


But, even then, his reason for not being allowed to be sent back was because of a rival gang threat. That gang isn't an issue anymore.

Bye bye.

The claim is so fallacious I imagine only the greatest of sycophants could believe it. I remember when the complaint was the opposite. How times have changed.

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Trump is providing more due process and lengthier times to appeal than either Biden or Obama did.

Let that sink in. Trump to date has offered MORe due process with these deportations than has been traditionally provided under those administrations.

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None of the courts have agreed with your opinion, including, courts overseen by Trump appointees, and the Supreme Court.

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Nobody challenged Obama or Biden so it would be pretty hard to get those court opinions. Nor did they have courts proactively sticking their noses where they didn't belong either.

But since you are the champion of illegal immigrant's due process, please provide all the links of you challenging Biden and Obama's deportation practices.

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Trump is providing more due process and lengthier times to appeal than either Biden or Obama did.

Let that sink in. Trump to date has offered MORe due process with these deportations than has been traditionally provided under those administrations.

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None of the courts have agreed with your opinion, including, courts overseen by Trump appointees, and the Supreme Court.

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Nobody challenged Obama or Biden so it would be pretty hard to get those court opinions. Nor did they have courts proactively sticking their noses where they didn't belong either.

But since you are the champion of illegal immigrant's due process, please provide all the links of you challenging Biden and Obama's deportation practices.

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I bet he was one of the first to post pics of immigrants in cages by Trump!!! until it was revealed the pic was under the Obama administration.

Keep simping for a human trafficking, MULTIPLE instances of spousal abusing, MS-13 gang banger, you're doing the Lord's work!!!

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Imagine defending a known gang member, confirmed wife beater by trying to parse out the semantics of human trafficker v human smuggler as if somehow one is better / worse than the other. Just when the libs appear to reach maximum ludicrosity, they up their game.

This includes the concept of "if they were being human trafficked, why not just tell the cops?". Pretty sure before they loaded up in the suburban they had a chat about how to act if pulled over. This would almost certainly include "if you say a word, we will kill you and all your family".

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I sincerely hope that the liberal lunatics in Congress continue to take these insane stances to put foreign terrorist's rights at the forefront of their platform. The American public is watching.

NEW: Audio recording of the wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia depicts her begging a judge for a protective order from her abusive husband.

Jennifer Vasquez Sura could be heard explaining how she was physically beaten by Abrego Garcia & brainwashed by his family.

“He would just wake… pic.twitter.com/YCIyz6i8Ha

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) May 2, 2025

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NEW: Audio recording of the wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia depicts her begging a judge for a protective order from her abusive husband.

Jennifer Vasquez Sura could be heard explaining how she was physically beaten by Abrego Garcia & brainwashed by his family.

“He would just wake… pic.twitter.com/YCIyz6i8Ha

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) May 2, 2025

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It's obviously a deep fake audio that one of Elon's goons created /dip**** libs.

For a party that values feelings over facts they sure are ignoring both in this case.

Audio from 2020 of Kilmar Abrego Garcia's wife begging a judge for protection from her husband. pic.twitter.com/cf2dL4xzdC

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) May 2, 2025