But sometimes security interests align and intersect like now.
Iran Has Capitulated to President Trump
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AGHouston11 said:Red Fishing Ag93 said:AGHouston11 said:Keyno said:Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g
— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026
So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.
So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.
No agreements in place just a couple of truces.
Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!
Iran's navy disagrees with you.
Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.
Well sorry but you're wrong. You've got to stop rooting for Iran.
Keyno said:BusterAg said:
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.
Do you?
LMCane said:
anti-semites were delirious that Trump was just in the pocket of the Jews.
doesn't sound like it!
I won't wait to read an apology:
It might be a great idea to go back and read the title of this thread and the first couple of pages of celebration posts calling people out. That didn't go so well.
I hope Trump navigates out of this and I hope he puts BiBi in his place.
Let's see if everything Trump just posted happens. Especially no US taxpayer money (that means zero) other than the 50 plus billion already spent, all uranium dust in US possession, and prohibiting BiBi from future actions that involve and affect the US!
BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.
Do you?
What is this? A goalpost shift with no quote to show continuity of debate?
You said: The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Here, you admit that Israel dragged us into the war. If you are so concerned about US bases on the other side of the planet getting hit, you should be calling for Israel to stop dragging us into wars.
Rockdoc said:AGHouston11 said:Red Fishing Ag93 said:AGHouston11 said:Keyno said:Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g
— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026
So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.
So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.
No agreements in place just a couple of truces.
Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!
Iran's navy disagrees with you.
Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.
Well sorry but you're wrong. You've got to stop rooting for Iran.
The US Navy has shown that Iran is a paper tiger. The closed the Strait with a bluff. Those days are over.
Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.
Do you?
What is this? A goalpost shift with no quote to show continuity of debate?
You said: The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Here, you admit that Israel dragged us into the war. If you are so concerned about US bases on the other side of the planet getting hit, you should be calling for Israel to stop dragging us into wars.
You avoided the question.
Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.
If you answer no, when we were going to have to attack Iran eventually, it was just a matter of timing.
The only thing I "admitted" to was that the timing of the attack was influenced by Israel, which is true. The necessity of the attack was 100% clear unless we wanted to completely abandon the middle east.
Do you disagree that the attack was going to be necessary at some point unless we completely abandoned the middle east?
Keyno said:captkirk said:AGHouston11 said:Keyno said:Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g
— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026
So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.
So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.
No agreements in place just a couple of truces.
Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!
Iran can't close anything at this point. Its easier for all involved if they don't make the attempt.
Are you just not aware of whats going on? The Strait has been closed for weeks.
You think Iran can stop us if we want it open? Lets wait and see how this plays out, and one of us will be eating some crow
Number of Israeli planes shot down by Iran: 0
Number of American planes shot down by Iran: 2
Number of American and Israeli senior leaders killed by Iran: 0
Number of Iranian planes destroyed: 270
Number of Iranian naval ships destroyed: 115
Number of senior political and military leaders killed: 47
damage caused to Iran: 400 billion dollars
number of ballistic missile launchers destroyed: 300
Number of American planes shot down by Iran: 2
Number of American and Israeli senior leaders killed by Iran: 0
Number of Iranian planes destroyed: 270
Number of Iranian naval ships destroyed: 115
Number of senior political and military leaders killed: 47
damage caused to Iran: 400 billion dollars
number of ballistic missile launchers destroyed: 300
BrazosDog02 said:Rockdoc said:BrazosDog02 said:Keyno said:Woods Ag said:Keyno said:ErnestEndeavor said:Saudi state media claims Iran giving up its enriched uranium to Russia.
— Mr. VIX (@yieldsearcher) April 14, 2026
If true, it is over. https://t.co/FnaZOlq5eD
Thats not what it says. What it says is "Russia Agrees to Receive Iran's Stockpile of Enriched Uranium". It does not say Iran has agreed to give it up.
For reference, Russia offered to take the uranium to facilitate a peace deal as far back as March 13. And Trump rejected the proposal.
Thank you, Kenya
Interesting to see what th day brings.
Well the day has come and gone. And no Iranian uranium has been given to Russia. So I guess the Saudi story was a red herring.
Here's what was reported today. The Pentagon has asked Ford and GM to start producing weapons and military equipment. So that means its over and we won, right?
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/pentagon-approaches-automakers-manufacturers-boost-weapons-production-wsj-2026-04-16/
Yes. It's over.
We won….an increase in goods and services and your dollar not going as far as it did a few weeks ago.
A relatively small price to pay for not losing a major city to nukes in the future. That's what this is all about. Dems don't care about the future. Right?
Yes....thank god they can't blow up....well ****, I don't know what city that would be that I give a single solitary f--- about, but yeah, I guess hooray!
You apparently don't realize that if they nuked ANY city ANYWHERE, then your worry about " an increase in goods and services and your dollar not going as far as it did a few weeks ago" would be orders of magnitude worse...
You can turn off signatures, btw
We didn't enter this to control the Strait.AGHouston11 said:Red Fishing Ag93 said:AGHouston11 said:Keyno said:Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g
— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026
So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.
So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.
No agreements in place just a couple of truces.
Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!
Iran's navy disagrees with you.
Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.
I take a different view than many. There is absolutely a gain from our military being battle-tested or operating real, complex missions. It is the unintended gain of a situation like this, but perhaps the most crucial thing.
Malibu said:Mr.Milkshake said:
There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran
I (massive TDS) give Trump this: Venuzuela, Iran, and possibly Lebanon and Cuba may be solved in his term. Anyone who is against this outcome is incorrigible. It requires brass balls, IDGAF who this pisses off, and someone who finally grasps how to use US power without a quagmire of nation building. That's the good. The bad is Ukraine, Greenland, and torching US soft power in 1.5 short years.
Greenland needs to be ours
Would place a bet right now that we take nominal control/ownership of Greenland in some form before the end of Trump's term
The Collective said:
I take a different view than many. There is absolutely a gain from our military being battle-tested or operating real, complex missions. It is the unintended gain of a situation like this, but perhaps the most crucial thing.
You are correct. If we can keep ourselves re-supplied, other countries have to pay attention and think twice before challenging us.
4 said:
Would place a bet right now that we take nominal control/ownership of Greenland in some form before the end of Trump's term
I agree and i think it will lean more to the stronger more aggressive of the options (more control).
LMCane said:
Number of Israeli planes shot down by Iran: 0
Number of American planes shot down by Iran: 2
Number of American and Israeli senior leaders killed by Iran: 0
Number of Iranian planes destroyed: 270
Number of Iranian naval ships destroyed: 115
Number of senior political and military leaders killed: 47
damage caused to Iran: 400 billion dollars
number of ballistic missile launchers destroyed: 300
We've definitely weakened Iran and hindered their ability to make war on others (including us through their terrorist proxies which they've done of years) with our action. This has also given us the opportunity to peacefully work with other ME nations in the region that don't want Iran thumbing their nose at everyone. Some want to move the goalposts and pretend like nothing was accomplished or anything less than 100% assurance of long-term peace is a failure, which are false narratives driven by partisan opposition to Trump.
We've helped make the world a bit safer and avoided anything that involves ground troops.
this probably has something to do with why the Islamic Republic surrendered:
BREAKING: The IDF releases footage of them decimating Iran’s navy. pic.twitter.com/z8mIWXaSw9
— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) April 17, 2026
Red Fishing Ag93 said:We didn't enter this to control the Strait.AGHouston11 said:Red Fishing Ag93 said:AGHouston11 said:Keyno said:Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g
— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026
So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.
So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.
No agreements in place just a couple of truces.
Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!
Iran's navy disagrees with you.
Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.
This think we did it to (in order):
1) control the oil dispersement of Iran (China gets it if they play nice)
2) control another globally vital trade (China navy and Russia navy as well as other hostiles and their trade)
3) nukes and missiles concern from Iran
4 said:
Would place a bet right now that we take nominal control/ownership of Greenland in some form before the end of Trump's term
I wouldn't bet against him at this point.
The plan here seems so obvious, yet few here on texags or on a broader scale talk about.
This is about china, and to a lesser extent russia. This is also about the usa maintaining its military power, and therefore economic power, world wide.
We are isolating china by removing their easy access to oil, economic pathways and influence in the Americas. Its actually started with the Panama canal. Then Venezuela. Now iran and next cuba.
Greenland is a major part of the plan. Its the key to future control of worldwide shipping, and more importantly, space. We cannot rely on european partners to either physically hold it, or be beholden to any euro bureaucratic whims.
Soft power was used up. Soft power ultimately only works if the power is willing and able to use hard power to force an issue.
100 pct dead on
LMCane said:
this probably has something to do with why the Islamic Republic surrendered:BREAKING: The IDF releases footage of them decimating Iran’s navy. pic.twitter.com/z8mIWXaSw9
— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) April 17, 2026
Operation Roaring Lion
A much better name than Operation Epic Fury.
Also... What does the world look like when a Navy can be wiped out so quickly?
We should have named it "Operation Child's Play"
Or "Operation Poopy Pants"
Then proceed to obliterate them as we have.
Now that would be epic. A truly in your face boss move.
Or "Operation Poopy Pants"
Then proceed to obliterate them as we have.
Now that would be epic. A truly in your face boss move.
4 said:
100 pct dead on
These moves are 1000% America first. Too many people are so distracted by "its the
Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:No Spin Ag said:Mr.Milkshake said:
There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran
If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".
The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?
Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?
Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?
What would you have done different?
You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.
Yep. Trump is an absolute master at distracting the liberals and the press with his left hand while he accomplishes every goal he has set out with his right hand, with incredibly accurate efficiency.
And people still don't seem to understand his MO. The chaos, the confusion, the name calling, the hyperbole, all of it. All of the over the top stuff is part and parcel to his strategy.
Yet people just can't get past their feelings.
You would think with these type of results, people would learn to exercise a little patience.
And people still don't seem to understand his MO. The chaos, the confusion, the name calling, the hyperbole, all of it. All of the over the top stuff is part and parcel to his strategy.
Yet people just can't get past their feelings.
You would think with these type of results, people would learn to exercise a little patience.
The Collective said:
Also... What does the world look like when a Navy can be wiped out so quickly?
Just a continuation of Billy Mitchell's belief in air power that began bearing fruit in WWII. Surface vessels without air protection are expensive and deadly death traps.
BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.
Do you?
What is this? A goalpost shift with no quote to show continuity of debate?
You said: The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Here, you admit that Israel dragged us into the war. If you are so concerned about US bases on the other side of the planet getting hit, you should be calling for Israel to stop dragging us into wars.
You avoided the question.
Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.
If you answer no, when we were going to have to attack Iran eventually, it was just a matter of timing.
The only thing I "admitted" to was that the timing of the attack was influenced by Israel, which is true. The necessity of the attack was 100% clear unless we wanted to completely abandon the middle east.
Do you disagree that the attack was going to be necessary at some point unless we completely abandoned the middle east?
Why do you keep trying to shift the debate to Al Udeid Air Base?
And then your did another "reframe" of "we were going to have to attack Iran eventually".
This is absolutely not true (although I got another admission out of you which is we are the aggressors)
Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.
4 said:
Yep. Trump is an absolute master at distracting the liberals and the press with his left hand while he accomplishes every goal he has set out with his right hand, with incredibly accurate efficiency.
And they fall for every every single time. They foolishly take the bait and think he's defeated.
I'm sorry folks; but I was assured by the leftist intelligentsia, the TDS F16 Crowd, the "it's the Joos Podcaster War gang" that it was impossible to use stand off power to subdue an enemy; and that we were preparing to launch a massive land invasion (somehow with less than 10k troops in the region; but never mind that); that these boots on the ground would become a quagmire; we had to sieze "fill in the blank" island to secure the Strait, a ceasefire was what was needed until one was agreed; Trumps words were actual genocide until, well they weren't and he surrendered, Iran holds all the cards until they held none (again), ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
WestAustinAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:No Spin Ag said:Mr.Milkshake said:
There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran
If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".
The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?
Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?
Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?
What would you have done different?
You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.
This is the hangup for most of this board. The other hang up is realizing you were lied to
Watching all the libtards twisting in the wind trying to dismiss this potentially huge deal as a loss is quite amusing, especially considering how much crowing they were doing when their lord and savior was busy filling planes with cash with getting nothing in return.
inconvenient truth said:
Watching all the libtards twisting in the wind trying to dismiss this potentially huge deal as a loss is quite amusing, especially considering how much crowing they were doing when their lord and savior was busy filling planes with cash with getting nothing in return.
They are literally rooting for Iran and will never admit it because of their TDS.
Keyno said:WestAustinAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:No Spin Ag said:Mr.Milkshake said:
There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran
If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".
The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?
Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?
Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?
What would you have done different?
You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?
Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.
Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.
The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.
Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?
Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect
Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.
This is the hangup for most of this board. The other hang up is realizing you were lied to
Such a tired, worn out trope
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