***** Official 2025 Dallas Cowboys Season Thread *****[Staff Warning]

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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We had a great offense and defense in 2007 and a great offense/average defense in 2014 and 2016. All three playoff runs were undone by those unlucky bounces that make single elimination format so perilous. All three teams were more than good enough to win a title.

People don't like it because it's a lot more fun channeling anger towards curses, bad ownership, etc. but the reality is a lot of it has just been bad luck. Nothing Jerry did or didn't do kept us from winning it all those three years at a minimum.


The Patrick Crayton drop in 2007 still haunts my dreams.


Honestly that one bothers me less than him quitting on his route on third down on the final drive. It's commonly accepted he'd have scored on the drop, and he may have, but it would have been a foot race with a safety and corner chasing and Crayton wasn't a fast guy. He definitely gets us in FG range but I'm not sure he scores.

But on the second to last play of the game Romo threw a perfect ball to the back corner of the end zone and because Crayton had slowed up thinking he wasn't getting the ball he couldn't get it, but the corner was beat and that would have definitely been a game winning TD.


I know what you mean and don't disagree... but the drop was the '92 Alvin Harper play all over again. I don't think it's a TD but it's a foot race and they probably don't catch him until he's inside the 15. I think that play would have broken the Giants.

And what really sucks about it... Romo made an absolutely impossible throw. Rolling to his left, side-arming it back to the right around a defender for a perfect 15 yard pass. It was a play that rivals Mahomes greatest moments..... except Mahomes guys always catch the F*******ing football!!!!!!!!
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Tksymm7 said:

I do think the amount of luck needed to win a SB or even make a conference championship is often overlooked. Yeah, you need a good roster with good players. No one is arguing that. But to actually win one you need some really nice breaks along the way much of the time.


You also cannot overstate the referee's influence in all of this as well. Since we are talking about the '16 team... if I recall, Dak & Zeke were marching right down the field on the opening possession when the refs called a 15 YARD illegal substitution... what in the actual F of rules that I'm pretty sure they just made up was that!?!

And to not make it all about Dallas, wasn't their a blatant PI call or possibly a no call in a playoff game involving the Saints a few years back? I don't remember all the details, but I remember thinking "the refs just decided who was going to win and who was going to lose a playoff game".
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Yeah the 2018 NFC championship game. The Saints should have won that game and would have given the Patriots a much better game than LA did.

The Sean Payton Saints are a great example of how big a factor luck is. They had about 5 teams in that stretch with all time elite offenses and won 11-13 games but only won one ring because of some insane bad luck. The aforementioned game against LA, the 2011 game against SF, 2017 and 2019 Minnesota games, etc.

The most discouraging thing as a fan in sports is having a great 4 month season only for it to end on a crazy bounce or bad call
And have to start all over again.
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The terrible no pass interference in the Rams-Saints has to be the most diabolical way to miss the Super Bowl...
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Vessel said:

The terrible no pass interference in the Rams-Saints has to be the most diabolical way to miss the Super Bowl...


The 1998 Vikings. Kicker hadn't missed all season and blows it in the NFC Champ game. That team was 15-1 I think and absolutely loaded with Moss and Carter at WR.
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Tomlin is another coach I'd take over Schotty…at a minimum, he'd be a DC target for me…
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Yeah, with the Tomlin news, Schotty's seat for next season just unexpectedly got a little warmer than what it was a couple hours ago.
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For better or worse, this is why the Premier League awarding their trophy for a season long body of work is appealing to many.
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Pignorant said:

For better or worse, this is why the Premier League awarding their trophy for a season long body of work is appealing to many.

Yeah, it would be nice to be able to play every 3 days and play each team in the league home and away.
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Man, I remember in '07 going to a Dallas Stars game and getting into the "Jack Daniels Club" between periods with my uncle. We go in there and all the talk was about a potential Cowboys-Patriots Super Bowl. Fresh-out-of-college MattAg06 was super pumped. Many Miller Lites were consumed.

It's been nothing but frustration and pain since. The whole sequence in the 2016 game against the Packers was so mind-numbing, I was convinced then that there was some type of supernatural force at work.

Recent events have not dissuaded me from that view, as smooth-brained as it might be.
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MattAg06 said:

I was convinced then that there was some type of supernatural force at work.


I'm right there with you. After Zeke got suspended for literally doing nothing, I have entertained the theory that Goodell has and will continue to step in any time Dallas starts to sniff success.

There are plenty of times when the Cowboys will stumble and fall on their own... no assistance needed. But after the Zeke deal, I'm having a hard time believing there aren't other factors at work making sure the Cowboys never get close to the Super Bowl as long as certain people are still alive.
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And because I'm a glutton for punishment... I went back and watched the Heath sack on Rogers where he somehow didn't fumble. Very similar to the sack/fumble/scoop & score that won the game for the Texans.

For the love, why can't Dallas get those breaks, even when they do everything right.
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MooreTrucker said:

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At least one team with a sitting coach has reached out to his agent per reports. I'd be surprised if they fired Schotty but you never know. Harbaugh has proven to be a very good coach.

would be funny if it was pittsburgh


Or Miami? What are the odds jerry announces the new dc super bowl weekend as a grasp to be relevant?

The odds are 100%. He does something like that every year. Very sip-like in that regard.


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The Sun said:

MooreTrucker said:

batchuser said:

zgolfz85 said:

98Ag99Grad said:

At least one team with a sitting coach has reached out to his agent per reports. I'd be surprised if they fired Schotty but you never know. Harbaugh has proven to be a very good coach.

would be funny if it was pittsburgh


Or Miami? What are the odds jerry announces the new dc super bowl weekend as a grasp to be relevant?

The odds are 100%. He does something like that every year. Very sip-like in that regard.


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Sad, seems like it was sudden given his posting history
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Sad, seems like it was sudden given his posting history


Complications from routine heart valve surgery I believe it said on premium
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Damnit Moore is running it back at Oregon, so one more non-QB will be drafted before our pick
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Yeah this definitely hurts us, but for once I think a college kid is 10000% making the right choice for him. He'll be the No. 1 QB by a good bit going into next year, and if he continues to improve will easily be the QB1 going into the draft next year. He's got all of the talent you could want, just needs to work within an offense more and be a game changer that way.

If guys continue to develop and get better, next years QB class could be pretty great. Big if I know, but the talent is there.
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I don't think it's a big deal because someone will reach for another QB like Simpson.
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Whatever GM is drafting Ty Simpson in the top ten needs to be fired, banned and thrown out of the NFL.
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Simpson needed another year in college. I think he still has a lot of upside but he really needs to end up in the right situation because he also has major bust potential.
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I don't think we will be affected too much. You look at the top of the draft and you got some teams with young QBs so you have to think they'll want to get them either weapons or protection. Titans, Saints, Giants. Plus I think these tackles will be taken higher than where they are on the media's big board.

Right now, I still think one of Delane, Bailey, or Styles should be there for us at 12.
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Vince Blake said:

Right now, I still think one of Delane, Bailey, or Styles should be there for us at 12.


At this point (and I've not really dug into the draft prospects yet so this is just initial impressions) I'd take Styles if Delane is gone.

I know LB isn't a premier position, but I feel like edge can be such a boom or bust position and we cannot afford to miss on our 1st rounders.

We finally have real players/studs at DT... A stud Mike LB is the other thing that we haven't had in forever. Let's pair him with Overshown and let's roll!
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Also going to be a strange/interesting draft because we do not have a 2nd or 3rd.

Jerry needs to get something done with Pickens because using a 3rd rounder for a 1 year rental in a "wasn't going to happen anyway" year would be just typical.
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jr15aggie said:

Also going to be a strange/interesting draft because we do not have a 2nd or 3rd.

Jerry needs to get something done with Pickens because using a 3rd rounder for a 1 year rental in a "wasn't going to happen anyway" year would be just typical.


He's either getting a new deal or getting franchised. There's no scenario where he's a one year rental.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

jr15aggie said:

Also going to be a strange/interesting draft because we do not have a 2nd or 3rd.

Jerry needs to get something done with Pickens because using a 3rd rounder for a 1 year rental in a "wasn't going to happen anyway" year would be just typical.


He's either getting a new deal or getting franchised. There's no scenario where he's a one year rental.


Well, I'm pretty sure him and Micah have the same agent... you know, the guy who Jerry can't even remember his name.

I agree that we aren't letting him go, but we could very well find ourselves with a WR taking a nap on a training table in the middle of a pre-season game.
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jr15aggie said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

jr15aggie said:

Also going to be a strange/interesting draft because we do not have a 2nd or 3rd.

Jerry needs to get something done with Pickens because using a 3rd rounder for a 1 year rental in a "wasn't going to happen anyway" year would be just typical.


He's either getting a new deal or getting franchised. There's no scenario where he's a one year rental.


Well, I'm pretty sure him and Micah have the same agent... you know, the guy who Jerry can't even remember his name.

I agree that we aren't letting him go, but we could very well find ourselves with a WR taking a nap on a training table in the middle of a pre-season game.


Micah was still under contract though, Pickens isn't. Dallas can't trade him until he signs the franchise tender if they do franchise him (ie tag and trade only works if the player agrees to it), and at that point they'd have no need to trade him because if he signs the tender then refuses to participate he's just losing all his money. If he refuses to sign the tender altogether he can't play for anyone next year AND gets no money. So there's just really no scenario where it plays out like that.
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What NFL team (in the last 10 years) has two top-end WRs under non-rookie contracts and is competitive?

I agree we almost can't get rid of Pickens, but the blueprint of a successful team that has a QB that costs $60-80m + 2 WRs that run $30-40m doesn't exist to my recollection.
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Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase are the closest. Tee makes 29 and Jamar makes 40 a year.
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Depends what your thoughts on Devonta Smith are, but his contract is less per year than what Pickens would sign for.
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If you are going to pay that much for a QB and two WRs, you have to be young in the other key areas like DE, T etc.
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Woods Ag said:

What NFL team (in the last 10 years) has two top-end WRs under non-rookie contracts and is competitive?

I agree we almost can't get rid of Pickens, but the blueprint of a successful team that has a QB that costs $60-80m + 2 WRs that run $30-40m doesn't exist to my recollection.

Philly pays top dollar at QB, (2) WR, and RB.
Got them a super bowl last year.
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DeVonta is $10m on the cap this year. By the time it starts to kick in AJ will be gone and that defense is about to get expensive. Pickens/Lamb are going to cost much more than those two if I had to guess. I think Lamb is $38m against the cap next year? But we also aren't paying for Barkley.

But that is the best example, by far.

Bengals are the example of how it doesn't work. Joe Burrow can't stay healthy bc they cant protect him and the defense is atrocious because all of their money is tied up on superstar offensive players.

I don't think the cowboys can get away from it. I like Pickens alot and Lamb is locked in no matter what. I just don't see it as a winning formula unless we crush the draft this year on defense and have a defense full of rookie contracts tearing up the league.
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Woods Ag said:

What NFL team (in the last 10 years) has two top-end WRs under non-rookie contracts and is competitive?

I agree we almost can't get rid of Pickens, but the blueprint of a successful team that has a QB that costs $60-80m + 2 WRs that run $30-40m doesn't exist to my recollection.


The salary cap is less and less relevant with each passing year. Teams are so good at manipulating the numbers and the cap so rapidly outpaces contracts that it's becoming a relatively trivial speed bump for franchises.
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Jerry Jones remains a colossal moron
 
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