I wonder if he got a call from the Duffers after that.Brian Earl Spilner said:
They were talking about spoilers they'd heard or seen online. They always say they know nothing about the future of the show, so that definitely wasn't from the Duffers.
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Theories*
I don't understand what this means.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Theories*
To reiterate my meaning: I'm wondering if they asked him, "where did you read that?" and see if his source had a bunch of other inside info. That perhaps they had a leak or something.
Just correcting my post. Said spoilers, meant theories.
It wasn't insider info, just a fan with a very good guess.
It wasn't insider info, just a fan with a very good guess.
That was a ridiculously good guess assuming it was made prior to this season being filmed. Especially since the mind-flayer was 1000 feet tall spidery thing. If I had a theory that the first protagonist was a former number then the mind-flayer would have shot that down in my mind.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Just correcting my post. Said spoilers, meant theories.
It wasn't insider info, just a fan with a very good guess.
helloimustbegoing said:He confirms that Will having the hots for Mike caused the Upside Down.aTmAg said:Before I watch this, is it really a spoiler (if he spoils this season, no biggie. I've already seen it).Brian Earl Spilner said:
That painting Will is hauling around everywhere is definitely giving me strong Wedding Crasher vibes.
You can buy it at Walmart!Brian Earl Spilner said:helloimustbegoing said:He confirms that Will having the hots for Mike caused the Upside Down.aTmAg said:Before I watch this, is it really a spoiler (if he spoils this season, no biggie. I've already seen it).Brian Earl Spilner said:
That painting Will is hauling around everywhere is definitely giving me strong Wedding Crasher vibes.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
That painting Will is hauling around everywhere is definitely giving me strong Wedding Crasher vibes.
It is sexual and violent!
Lots to unpack here, but I can't wait for volume 2
Definitely skipping trailers for it.
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I could do without the overwrought lovesickness between Nancy and Steve in the last couple episodes. This show can stand on its own without romance and it doesn't make sense when they are in such danger.
Anyway, a minor complaint--this season was totally awesome!!!!
Anyway, a minor complaint--this season was totally awesome!!!!
I think they made a very clear decision to mimic nightmare on elm street for the season
I was never a fan of that series so maybe that's why I'm a little disappointed
I was never a fan of that series so maybe that's why I'm a little disappointed
What gave it away?nosoupforyou said:
I think they made a very clear decision to mimic nightmare on elm street for the season
Loved this season so, so much. Yes, the first episode was a bit of drag, but ended up setting the stage well for easily my favorite season so far. To the point where this show just reached all-time levels in my book. Honestly, zero complaints for episodes 2-7. Overall, it's just so damn fun, so clever, so propulsive, and so well-executed. I seriously do not understand how they juggle it all, and I cannot believe how well they tied it all together and finally gave us basically the entire picture/history, in such satisfying fashion.
That said, as someone who doesn't really study this show/read a ton about it online, I could admittedly be missing something, but I was surprised to read through all the questions here, as it seemed perfectly obvious to me that Vecna was behind everything from seasons 1-3. It's all connected, he's been running the show, etc. Like, I didn't even think twice about that, due to the fact that they hinted at it and then underlined it over and over again. But then I came here and saw all these questions and now you guys have me so confused.
That said, as someone who doesn't really study this show/read a ton about it online, I could admittedly be missing something, but I was surprised to read through all the questions here, as it seemed perfectly obvious to me that Vecna was behind everything from seasons 1-3. It's all connected, he's been running the show, etc. Like, I didn't even think twice about that, due to the fact that they hinted at it and then underlined it over and over again. But then I came here and saw all these questions and now you guys have me so confused.
Random moment I enjoyed:
Steve is getting frustrated with Dustin and friends and having to drive them somewhere and just yells out "Always the GD babysitter!"
Steve is getting frustrated with Dustin and friends and having to drive them somewhere and just yells out "Always the GD babysitter!"
I believe Dustin straight out says that he only thinks Vecna is the Mind Flayer's Five-Star General, so that wouldn't really jibe with Vecna being the orchestrator of Seasons 1-3, since the Mind Flayer seems much larger and more powerful than Vecna and was directly seen as the main antagonist in Season 2.TCTTS said:
Loved this season so, so much. Yes, the first episode was a bit of drag, but ended up setting the stage well for easily my favorite season so far. To the point where this show just reached all-time levels in my book. Honestly, zero complaints for episodes 2-7. Overall, it's just so damn fun, so clever, so propulsive, and so well-executed. I seriously do not understand how they juggle it all, and I cannot believe how well they tied it all together and finally gave us basically the entire picture/history, in such satisfying fashion.
That said, as someone who doesn't really study this show/read a ton about it online, I could admittedly be missing something, but I was surprised to read through all the questions here, as it seemed perfectly obvious to me that Vecna was behind everything from seasons 1-3. It's all connected, he's been running the show, etc. Like, I didn't even think twice about that, due to the fact that they hinted at it and then underlined it over and over again. But then I came here and saw all these questions and now you guys have me so confused.
For all of his 11-related background, all Vecna is really doing in this season is opening lots of gates to the Upside Down, which would then clear the way for the MF to come through. You could make a parallel to Vecna being Kacellius from Dr. Strange, and the MF being Dormamu. One is using the other to gain him access to the world he wants to conquer.
I never cared about the mythology behind the upside down/monsters/El's powers. I've always just watched this show for the characters/tension. I loved Lost, but this was never trying to be lost. However when they stated to tell the bigger story in those last 20 minutes of Ep 7, I was riveted. I think this show has been straight forward enough that Vecna/Creel is subordinate to the Mind Flayer, but maybe not. I didn't think I'd be disappointed to only have 4 hours of this season left, but sign me up for 8 hours right now.
TCTTS said:
Loved this season so, so much. Yes, the first episode was a bit of drag, but ended up setting the stage well for easily my favorite season so far. To the point where this show just reached all-time levels in my book. Honestly, zero complaints for episodes 2-7. Overall, it's just so damn fun, so clever, so propulsive, and so well-executed. I seriously do not understand how they juggle it all, and I cannot believe how well they tied it all together and finally gave us basically the entire picture/history, in such satisfying fashion.
That said, as someone who doesn't really study this show/read a ton about it online, I could admittedly be missing something, but I was surprised to read through all the questions here, as it seemed perfectly obvious to me that Vecna was behind everything from seasons 1-3. It's all connected, he's been running the show, etc. Like, I didn't even think twice about that, due to the fact that they hinted at it and then underlined it over and over again. But then I came here and saw all these questions and now you guys have me so confused.
Yeah, you are definitely missing something.
https://strangerthings.fandom.com/wiki/The_Mind_Flayer
The above is a good wiki entry to clear things up for you.
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Assuming the upside down always existed, then it would follow that the mind flayer was there first. When El opened up the first gate and the MF became aware, I bet then it gave vecna power after it realized there is knowledge/history of the world and El.
helloimustbegoing said:I believe Dustin straight out says that he only thinks Vecna is the Mind Flayer's Five-Star General, so that wouldn't really jibe with Vecna being the orchestrator of Seasons 1-3, since the Mind Flayer seems much larger and more powerful than Vecna and was directly seen as the main antagonist in Season 2.TCTTS said:
Loved this season so, so much. Yes, the first episode was a bit of drag, but ended up setting the stage well for easily my favorite season so far. To the point where this show just reached all-time levels in my book. Honestly, zero complaints for episodes 2-7. Overall, it's just so damn fun, so clever, so propulsive, and so well-executed. I seriously do not understand how they juggle it all, and I cannot believe how well they tied it all together and finally gave us basically the entire picture/history, in such satisfying fashion.
That said, as someone who doesn't really study this show/read a ton about it online, I could admittedly be missing something, but I was surprised to read through all the questions here, as it seemed perfectly obvious to me that Vecna was behind everything from seasons 1-3. It's all connected, he's been running the show, etc. Like, I didn't even think twice about that, due to the fact that they hinted at it and then underlined it over and over again. But then I came here and saw all these questions and now you guys have me so confused.
For all of his 11-related background, all Vecna is really doing in this season is opening lots of gates to the Upside Down, which would then clear the way for the MF to come through. You could make a parallel to Vecna being Kacellius from Dr. Strange, and the MF being Dormamu. One is using the other to gain him access to the world he wants to conquer.
That's only Dustin's theory. They really don't know much about the history or relationship of either. As far as Dustin is concerned, Vecna is an Eldritch being and basically beyond ancient, when we know he's only in his mid 30's.
Size isn't everything. The mind flayer is huge, yes, but Eleven is a child and beat it back. Twice. Vecna can influence our world and open gates. The mind flayer cannot. Psychically, Vecna may be the stronger of the two. There's also evidence for that. One was pretty powerful and almost Eleven's equal when Eleven banished him. If Eleven could defeat the mind flayer, it stands to reason One/Vecna could too.
Seems weird to be THAT convinced about something that's not confirmed, more so when it's the opposite of what is said outright by one of the main characters.
Granted it's a good possibility and one I'm sure a lot of us have considered also, but your confusion on the discussion is what I find confusing.
Granted it's a good possibility and one I'm sure a lot of us have considered also, but your confusion on the discussion is what I find confusing.
As a casual fan, by the end of the episode, I didn't even remotely question that Vecna wasn't behind everything. Like, besides what Justin says, they lay it on so heavily, to the point where yes, I was convinced. But the kind of "convinced" where I wasn't even aware there was a controversy/question/doubt. I'm not trying to brag and be like, "It's so obvious, guys," I'm simply providing the point of view of someone who doesn't study this stuff, and couldn't have told you if the Mind Flayer was the name of the villain in season one, two, or three. I'm just saying, I bet most casual fans came away with the same impression I did. Then I dive in here and people are saying things like, "Well, because the Mind Flayer is bigger than Vecna, Vecna can't be in charge" and I'm just like wait, what?
TCTTS said:
As a casual fan, by the end of the episode, I didn't even remotely question that Vecna wasn't behind everything. Like, besides what Justin says, they lay it on so heavily, to the point where yes, I was convinced. But the kind of "convinced" where I wasn't even aware there was a controversy/question/doubt. I'm not trying to brag and be like, "It's so obvious, guys," I'm simply providing the point of view of someone who doesn't study this stuff, and couldn't have told you if the Mind Flayer was the name of the villain in season one, two, or three. I'm just saying, I bet most casual fans came away with the same impression I did. Then I dive in here and people are saying things like, "Well, because the Mind Flayer is bigger than Vecna, Vecna can't be in charge" and I'm just like wait, what?
Well ask yourself how Vecna went from human to scary upside down monster. Did he transform over time, or did the mind flayer give him some power?
This is the same being that possessed a large chunk of town and collectively controls tons of monsters.
It's possible there was nothing until El banished him and vecna is one and the same as the mind flayer, but for now we don't have enough to assume the mind flayer isn't separate and in larger control.
This is the same being that possessed a large chunk of town and collectively controls tons of monsters.
It's possible there was nothing until El banished him and vecna is one and the same as the mind flayer, but for now we don't have enough to assume the mind flayer isn't separate and in larger control.
I actually do think Vecna might be the ultimate power, because I think El created the upside down in that moment.
The Mind Flayer also looks like a spider, which was one of Vecna's obsessions.
The Mind Flayer also looks like a spider, which was one of Vecna's obsessions.
Bingo, at least to the second point. Yet another reason the Mind Flayer feels like a creation/extension.
As to whether El created the upside down, I could go either way. It was either already there but uninhabited, or her powers are so strong that, yeah, in her anger, she basically created an alternate dimension to banish Vecna too.
As to whether El created the upside down, I could go either way. It was either already there but uninhabited, or her powers are so strong that, yeah, in her anger, she basically created an alternate dimension to banish Vecna too.
If 11 created the upside down, how did the Russians find out about it so quickly? Within months (or not many years) they're trying to travel through it to Indiana with a portal on the other side?
I'm not necessarily arguing against 11 creating it but if she did, that piece would seem to be a plot whole in the timeline right?
I'm not necessarily arguing against 11 creating it but if she did, that piece would seem to be a plot whole in the timeline right?
I don't understand why it would be a stretch for the Russians to discover it in only a matter of years?
If 11 created the upside down, they need to kill her because she's responsible for a whole lot of death.
They keep hinting at time travel. Don't be surprised if she commits suicide in the past to prevent everything.
That would be really depressing.Brian Earl Spilner said:
They keep hinting at time travel. Don't be surprised if she commits suicide in the past to prevent everything.
Well she could also maybe stop Brenner from getting to One, much nicer ending. She gets to live as Jane, Hawkins is saved, and maybe Jane and Mike end up meeting in school.
This might be a little too similar to another Netflix series that I will leave unnamed so as not to spoil. But if you know you know.
This might be a little too similar to another Netflix series that I will leave unnamed so as not to spoil. But if you know you know.
That's just a ripoff of a Dungeons & Dragons cartoon with Bobby the Barbarian and the Girl Who Dreamed Tomorrow!Brian Earl Spilner said:
Well she could also maybe stop Brenner from getting to One, much nicer ending. She gets to live as Jane, Hawkins is saved, and maybe Jane and Mike end up meeting in school.
This might be a little too similar to another Netflix series that I will leave unnamed so as not to spoil. But if you know you know.
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