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***** ANDOR SEASON 2 (Disney+, April 22 Debut) THREAD *****

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Just realized I'm going to have to avoid this thread until Sunday cause of traveling + kids practice we ain't going to get all 3 episodes in before then…..

We watch this as a family! Curse my paternal genes!!!!

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jokershady said:

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Just realized I'm going to have to avoid this thread until Sunday cause of traveling + kids practice we ain't going to get all 3 episodes in before then…..

We watch this as a family! Curse my paternal genes!!!!

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If your kids cared about the Rebellion, they'd skip those practices.

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Gymnastics Nationals >>>>>>>>>> Andors Rebellion

Maybe we can watch it in Reno while my other kids watch it back home at the same time…..



Nerd family….
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For those who still need it. This recap is masterfully done.

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jokershady said:

Gymnastics Nationals >>>>>>>>>> Andors Rebellion


Attitudes like this are why Alderaan is a charcoal pit today.
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The Original Houston 1836 said:

jokershady said:

Gymnastics Nationals >>>>>>>>>> Andors Rebellion


Attitudes like this are why Alderaan is a charcoal pit today.





See y'all Sunday night….



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Man the first episode is really well done. Also clear they have a larger budget to work with, and they're using it the right way,
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End of second episode - Yavin 4?
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Man oh man what a start.
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That discussion about the Ghormans in the beautiful setting, taking breaks for coffee and pastries, was chillingly similar to the Wannsee Conference.

What a show. The acting, the writing, the cinematography, the costumes are all stellar.
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These episode were definitely weaker than any 3 episode arc from season 1. Hoping the other episodes ramp up the plot a bit more.

I thought Cassians story in the first two episodes was kinda pointless and a waste of time (other than the opening scene in episode 1, which was awesome). Third episode was good for his storyline.

Too much time in the wedding. Beautifully shot but just not a lot of movement in the story (OK, we are getting rid of one of Mon's closest friends, do we need to spend 3 episodes on it?).

I really enjoyed the dinner scene with dedra and future MIL.

I get the overall theme of each of the main "rebellion" characters continuing to sacrifice everything and every part of them for the rebellion... But was just overall a bit "meh" on the episodes, primarily due to lack of plot movement.
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This show is so good.
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I do think some stuff felt dragged out. Like Andor's time stranded on the planet and a ton of wedding scenes.

Could probably have been two episodes.
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I did like the game of rock, paper, scissors, lizzard, Spock
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I got restless during Andor's extended capture with the pirates. It was nice to see Yavin in its pre-Rebel base days and I think a lot of us were thinking Porko was going to be a younger, possibly slimmer Jed Porkins, but yeah, he was there forever and he got away pretty much the way we all thought he would get away.

Krennic's "wolf's lair" meeting was awesome. The Ghorman "every city / state in the US" tourism reel and Qyburn's reaction to it in general. And the two spin doctors from the "Ministry of Enlightment" acting like they were talking to an impressed audience lol. I just got done writing a long thing about Josef Mengle and the Nazis had a "MInistry of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment." Also, Palpatine has made "unlimited power" into a campaign promise!

Syril and Deedra and the mom was an unexpected comedic swerve, but fantastic. I'd put a 4x6 foot poster of Syril laying devastated on his bed up in my office.

The extended look of the coms system in Luthen's shop made me think at some point that's where he or his assistant are going to be taken down. LIke they'll be rushing to do some sort of communication and ISB will be there.

Hate to see Brasso go out like that, but like I said in the OP - it's what's going to happen. Great characters dying probably insignificant deaths because that's what the Empire is doing all over. I was bummed that the TIE scene rescuing Andor's friends dropped early, eliminating all suspense.

I thought the wedding stuff was spectacular, particularly the ending symbolism that Mon Mothma is now or is about to be caught up in a frenzy that she cannot control. All around her, she sees the face of corruption - her husband, her new in-laws, and even Tay, who was so much a shoulder to lean on, and now just totally come apart at the seams. At the last possible second she tries to "save" her daughter from becoming a part of it all, even though her innocence is long-since gone. Mon probably knows she's never going to see that kid again with everything that's in motion. Great to see Chandrila as well. Most of the wedding traditions reminded me of a Hindu wedding I went to once that also lasted 3 days. Also, when do they start selling the aerial drone disco balls?

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I only caught two, but a great two!
#1 - first scene - Andor on Sienar. Sienar is the brand name of the corporation that makes ships first for the Republic and then for the Empire. Raith Sienar is the CEO and is resposible for designing the TIE fighter.
#2 - The gangster tells the story of the statue and mentions Chandrila being invaded by the Rakatan Empire. The Rakata are the creators of the Star Forge in Knights of the Old Republic, and their "Infinite Empire" ruled the galaxy for a while in ancient history. It's the second reference to them, the first being last season when Luthen was telling Andor about the Kyber crystal.
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I haven't finished epsiode 3...

Great opening stealing the ship but it honestly got boring after that: stuck on a planet with a bunch of idiots, Mothma wedding planning, Bix worrying. Setting up the Empire on Ghorman was at least interesting, but a lot of talking. We'll see if they can make these smaller side stories interesting as we go along, so far not so much. I feel like there is a better edit of these three episodes into a one 1.5 hour episode/movie. I'm going to keep watching but I get the feeling there may be some side stories where I pick up my phone going forward.

Cutting back and forth between Andor and the Ghorman meeting wasn't working for me. Most of the smaller storylines were barely paid attention (Bix, and the Empire accountant guy.) So much so that I'm not sure why they exist. The Mothma wedding could have been the wedding from The Godfather, but it was just boring. Pretty, but boring.

To take over Ghorman they have false flag plan,fake plague, and a fake news propaganda plan. Some political commentary? Was Krennic lying to that group about power generation? He mentioned lenses, was the "absolute power" really lenses for Death Star?

Luthen playing the fool for info was entertaining, to bad it was only like 5 seconds. Otherwise he didn't do much.

Is that the first time ever we've seen someone in Star Wars sit down in a random ship and not know what to do?

Was watching with subtitles. There was a guy stuck on the planet with the name Nazy. They probably should have thought about that one harder.

There was a little girl playing with a marionette AT-ST that was cute.


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Watched the first 2 episodes last night. When I heard they had cut 4 planned seasons down to 12 episodes, I was expecting those 12 episodes to be jam packed. This… is not jam packed.

Good writing and interesting moments, but they come too few and far between. I hope the pace picks up.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

Watched the first 2 episodes last night. When I heard they had cut 4 planned seasons down to 12 episodes, I was expecting those 12 episodes to be jam packed. This… is not jam packed.

Good writing and interesting moments, but they come too few and far between. I hope the pace picks up.


Now imagine if they did the usual Disney thing and made all those seasons with nothing happening except for a couple episodes a season.
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I'm okay with the slow pace (though I felt the misfit crew on Yavin went on a little long) because you really felt the weight of the oppression of the Empire becoming oppressive everywhere, and Mon Mothma's dancing and drinking felt like she knew this was her last chance at a release like that. The show takes its time and it's earned that in my estimation.

The banality of evil in that Wannsee-esque boardroom was unnerving.
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Haven't started the 2nd season yet, but wasn't one of the main complaints at the beginning of the 1st season was that it was so slow? We later praise it because of the slow burn building of it. Going in with hope that this season maintains that level of building and tension and catharsis
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This was all I could think of every time they had the pirates arguing with each other.

*Language warning*

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Haven't started the 2nd season yet, but wasn't one of the main complaints at the beginning of the 1st season was that it was so slow? We later praise it because of the slow burn building of it. Going in with hope that this season maintains that level of building and tension and catharsis
The third episode of the first season as a payoff across the board.
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I enjoyed the juxtaposition of the wedding festivities, Dedra's MIL dinner and the struggles of the various rebels.

I wonder how "dirty" Mon had previously gotten her hands? She knew Tay was headed for execution and that their next meeting would never occur. Between the wedding and Tay things have gotten extremely personal for her and the Empire.

Didn't expect Brasso to go so early. Surprised we haven't seen consequences for the young rebel who helped Cassian steal the TIE.

The rebel infighting is interesting (but too long as mentioned by others). Can't wait for more Saw and his more terroristic approach.

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Lots of good stuff from EW.com

Genevieve o'Reilly on Mon Mothma Karaoke Dance Party

"It was everything," O'Reilly says of finally getting to drop Mon's mask for a moment. "It's such a special moment. It's a crescendo of so much to get to relieve Mon from the structure of the column that she is."

However, O'Reilly cautions against viewers taking it as a moment of abandon rather than one of distress. "Yes, it's this extraordinary, wild, free dance movement," she adds. "But it's also because she's writhing in pain because of what she's just done. She's just tacitly agreed to have her friend murdered, so she's dancing to stop herself from screaming."

"It's so clever how, by the dance, you really get to see the chaos that's inside her head," she concludes.
If you're curious what song the crowd was dancing to, it was the same as what we hear on screen, "Niamos!" written by composer Nicholas Britell. Audiences heard it a few times in the first season. "This is the big, galactic hit version," O'Reilly says. "It's like at any wedding, all those kids are waiting for the DJ to come in to get up on the dance floor. Gosh, we had so much fun that day."

O'Reilly might have had a blast, but Mon Mothma most decidedly is not. This incident with Tay Kolma and his inevitable fate have fully shattered any last illusions she might have held about the cost of rebellion.

"Luthen's really called her out on any romantic notion of rebellion," she notes. "We're all dispensable. It all comes with a cost, and Tay is a really dangerous threat to them at that moment. He knows so much about her."
He was instrumental in everything that happened in season 1," she says of Tay. "All of those economic decisions to allow for the funding of this rebellion he was such an intricate part of that. Now, it seems he's kneeling at the altar of false idols with Sculdun (Richard Dillane). He sees all that gold and he wants a taste of it, and there's not really a place for that gold within rebellion."

Adria Arjona (Bix) on her near rape

"We had an amazing stunt team and partner in Ari as a director, who shot that scene scientifically and in such a precise way so as to save us from doing a million takes," Arjona notes.

"It was challenging because everyone involved in the creation of that scene felt the importance of what this scene meant, not only for the show, but for Star Wars," she adds. "But I also felt incredibly safe and cushioned in the process of doing it. It's something Tony Gilroy does. He brings this mirror effect that [shows] the things that happen in our world can also happen in a galaxy far, far away."

Before Krole attacks Bix, he circles her like a predator in earlier scenes in which she invokes the tried and true female line of defense, mentioning her husband. Arjona wants to assure fans, however, that though they essentially act like a married couple, we didn't miss a Bix and Cassian (Diego Luna) wedding in the off-season.

"It's a way of escaping," she explains. "It's very different for her to say, 'My boyfriend is coming.' She might feel that he won't respect her, right? But if she says, my husband, there's power to that. There's respect to that. She hopes in her wildest dreams that he respects that. Of course he doesn't, but she feels incredibly cornered at that moment."

"It's more complex than a cute wedding in the gap year." she continues. "She's trying to get out of a very tricky situation that, as women, we unfortunately are stuck in quite a bit."

For Arjona, she found solace and inspiration in real-life accounts of women who have survived rape and torture. "I felt like I went through the acting Olympics," she says of season 2. "The research was heavier. I've read so many interviews and I saw so many videos of people that have actually gone through this."

"That process was the most draining," she reflects. "And it stayed with me. By the time that I was doing the scenes, it felt like I was telling a little part of the story of the five individuals who I really honed in on their stories. [People] that no one really knows about. It felt like I was making them proud. They have no idea who I am, but it was a little homage that I was carrying through."

Kyle Soller (Syril aka Henry Thomas) and Denise Gough (Dedra) on their relationship and more

For his part, Soller thought their pairing off was a brilliant idea. "At the end of season 1, nobody really knew what was going to happen to them," he notes. "But what better than to try to make these two weirdos come together and live together. Then to top it all off, we have a 'meet the parents' scene, which is the Thanksgiving dinner from hell, and Eedy blows up the sanctity of their apartment."
Her coming in and completely disrupting the place," says Soller, "and taking these weird, shrimpy fondue things and splattering the orange goo everywhere, it was a trip, man. We had to stop filming sometimes. We were all just laughing and exploring how playful we could be."

Soller was just looking forward to Gough getting to experience working with Hunter, particularly her interpretation of this character. "I was so excited for Denise to experience Kathryn as Eedy," he says. "I'd had the joy of experiencing that for the first season. And those were many of my highlights in the first season because she's so free, inventive, playful, and does unexpected things and keeps it alive as you're working these long days."

Gough was equally as pumped to get the chance to act opposite Hunter. "She's a theater legend in my world," Gough gushes. "I didn't think she could possibly live up to my expectations, but she surpassed them."

"The thing about working with someone like Kathryn is, actors like her don't make the obvious choice when they're hitting the ball back," Gough continues, echoing Soller. "What looks like an intimidation on the page became a negotiation between these two women because of how she received what I was saying."

Gough on Dedra's revealed upbringing
For Gough, this provided more insight into Dedra and why she's such an unfeeling agent for the Empire. "I knew before signing onto this series that Dedra had a very, very tough upbringing and that she was indoctrinated from a very young age," Gough explains. "When the [series] was cut from five seasons to two, it was extraordinary that [creator Tony Gilroy] managed to tell Dedra's entire story in those three lines of dialogue. You get everything you need from that."

It stands in stark contrast to what we know of another orphan on Andor, Cassian himself, who was raised in a loving home with Maarva (Fiona Shaw) and Clem. "Maarva teaches Cassian through her actions what love is," says Gough. "And then she tells him what love is when he says, 'I won't be able to stop thinking about you,' and she says, 'Well, that's just love.' Nobody has ever said that to Dedra. She's never had anyone affirm her."

From the beginning, Dedra has always existed in a gray space, walking the line between Imperial underling desperate to prove her worth and a true instigator of evil. Knowing how stark her childhood must have been opened up Dedra even more to Gough.

"She has had a life of love being withheld," Gough reflects. "There would've been a lot of physical and emotional abuse in the Kinderblock. She's not someone who knows what to do when intimacy comes her way. She feels most safe when she's in control. That feels like a version of love. If I control everything, I feel calm, and when I'm out of control, the anxiety builds."

Henry Thomas, you lucky *******

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As others have said, some parts drawn out a bit too much. I love to say Andor is Star Wars for adults, but the pirates threatened that. Kind of goofy. But E3 went out like a bang. Great episode, great tension, and Andor in the tie wreaking havoc was awesome. Definitely a great build up and stoked for the next episodes.
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I did like how bad-ass the TIE was at the end. They didn't show any close-ups of the Imps realizing they were effed, it was just target-technology-dead

My sorta-obvious prediction is that next time we see Bix, she's a raging agent of the Rebellion. After losing everything on Ferrix and getting tortured, she's having nightmares in what feels like a safe place a year later, then loses one of her best friends and almost gets raped by an Imp before murdering two.
They should put her in Mara Jade mode - ruthless killer / spy / super hot assassin.

I also wouldn't be surprised if one of the last things Andor does before the series ends is have to make a choice that costs him Bix.

Also, I loved Luthen talking to the young Imp trooper who says "Everyone just got pulled out of Steergard for something else" and Luthen cheerfully asking, "Really, where are they headed?"

Since we know Saw is going to splinter from the rest of the Alliance, the question becomes - what is he going to do so heinously to cause that rift? Because at least Luthen and Andor don't seem to have any moral compass when it comes to hurting the Empire. Is it possible Saw winds up killing Luthen over some debate or plan? That would probably be enough for Mon Mothma to distrust him headed into Rogue One.
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Yea, I think Bix is about to go beast mode. The torment and pain the put into her character means big things to come.
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Stealing the fighter was amazing.

I enjoyed the build up to the wedding, and the party scene. Sometimes you just gotta say "Eff it" and let loose.

Dinner party with mom was probably as good as The Office Dinner Party episode.

Cassian being captured dragged out a little too long with a disappointing climax.

EDIT: Luthen made a comment to Mothma about Tay and "people failing." Curious if that is a foreshadowing for anyone else, particularly Kleya.
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Awesome start
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Finished episode three. Strong beginning and ending to that three episode arc. Definitely dragged in the middle.

Now that Cassian has his crew back together let's get going.
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I realize they may come back to the story with Cassian on the planet with the idiots... But if they don't (and I don't think they will), that's a pretty disappointing and uneventful two episode side quest for Cassian.

In my mind, I feel like it would have been better if Cassian is forced to be a leader to bring these two groups together to get off the planet. It'd show the amount of growth he's gone through since we last saw him (roughly a year in star wars time?) and it'd set up his story in rogue one (getting a bunch of misfits to work together to accomplish a huge goal).

Even better if, knowing these people are absolute idiots, Cassian has to kill them after getting off the plantet in order to protect the rebellion (doesn't want them telling people about the tie fighter, Cassian or ties to the rebellion). Shows Cassian really is all in on the rebellion and isn't afraid to get his hands dirty to protect the ultimate goal of destroying the empire. From a theme standpoint (across the episode), this mirrors what Luthen has to do to Mon Mothmas childhood friend.

I think both of these are key traits of Cassian in Rogue One (he's a leader and he's willing to do ANYTHING for the rebellion) and I think an opportunity was missed here.
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Cyril's mom drives me crazy.
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We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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