Logos Stick said:

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Every one of them are evil. In a recent poll, 55% of them said that Trump and Musk should be killed. 55%!!!!

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The survey revealed several troubling trends. Over half of those who self-identied as left of center (55.2%) reported that if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justied (see Figure 1; similar proportions supported murdering Musk and destroying Tesla dealerships). This includes 13% who said this murder would be "Completely Justied." Similarly, nearly half of those who self-identied as left of center said the murder of Elon Musk would be somewhat justied (or greater), with about 9% saying this is "Completely Justied" (see Figure 3). Over of all respondents believe it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships to protest Elon Musk's involvement in the Presidential administration.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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HoustonAg9999 said:

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Yes lets start telling other countries to what to do with their citzens hes El Salvadorian

Some of yall are clueless

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He's the husband and father to American citizens, here legally, innocent of any crimes, and is afforded the same constitutional rights of due process as you or I.

The fact the people here can be so laissez-faire about an innocent family being ripped apart because of the ineptitude of these immigration officers is absurd to me.

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Ag87H2O said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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captkirk said:

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unimboti nkum said:

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How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.

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He's not coming back to the US, no matter what

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So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation

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From the Trump court case thread --

Option 2 is to send an Immigration Judge to the U.S. Embassy in El Salvador, bring Garcia to the Embassy, and have a hearing to reopen his case and delete the "Withdrawal" from his Removal Order. That provides him the due process he would have been entitled to in the U.S.

Then he can be escorted to the front door of the Embassy, and released as a citizen of El Salvador in El Salvador.

Let's go back to the SCOTUS Order:

"The intended scope of the term "effectuate" in the District Court's order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court's authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs."

This is a polite way of the Court letting the district judge know that "If what you mean is bringing Garcia back into the United States to appear in your courtroom, you don't have the authority to order that. So be careful in how you clarify your prior order."


He's not coming back here - at least while Trump is in charge.

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jrdaustin said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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captkirk said:

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unimboti nkum said:

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How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.

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He's not coming back to the US, no matter what

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So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation

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From the Trump court case thread --

Option 2 is to send an Immigration Judge to the U.S. Embassy in El Salvador, bring Garcia to the Embassy, and have a hearing to reopen his case and delete the "Withdrawal" from his Removal Order. That provides him the due process he would have been entitled to in the U.S.

Then he can be escorted to the front door of the Embassy, and released as a citizen of El Salvador in El Salvador.

Let's go back to the SCOTUS Order:

"The intended scope of the term "effectuate" in the District Court's order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court's authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs."

This is a polite way of the Court letting the district judge know that "If what you mean is bringing Garcia back into the United States to appear in your courtroom, you don't have the authority to order that. So be careful in how you clarify your prior order."


He's not coming back here - at least while Trump is in charge.

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There's another reason he's not coming back here.

Other than having him brought back to the US to appear in a courtroom to "plead his case", what's the one thing that can happen that would embarrass and damage the administration even more?

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Shooter McGavin said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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captkirk said:

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unimboti nkum said:

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How hard would it be for Trump to call the president and tell him to do it? Do they not know where he is? Did they drop him in the middle of the jungle? This shouldn't be difficult. They just don't want to do it.

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He's not coming back to the US, no matter what

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So just ignore the Supreme Court? Great way to set up the future of the country for when a Dem president is in office. Obey the laws but not the highest court in the nation

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From the Trump court case thread --

Option 2 is to send an Immigration Judge to the U.S. Embassy in El Salvador, bring Garcia to the Embassy, and have a hearing to reopen his case and delete the "Withdrawal" from his Removal Order. That provides him the due process he would have been entitled to in the U.S.

Then he can be escorted to the front door of the Embassy, and released as a citizen of El Salvador in El Salvador.

Let's go back to the SCOTUS Order:

"The intended scope of the term "effectuate" in the District Court's order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court's authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs."

This is a polite way of the Court letting the district judge know that "If what you mean is bringing Garcia back into the United States to appear in your courtroom, you don't have the authority to order that. So be careful in how you clarify your prior order."


He's not coming back here - at least while Trump is in charge.

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There's another reason he's not coming back here.

Other than having him brought back to the US to appear in a courtroom to "plead his case", what's the one thing that can happen that would embarrass and damage the administration even more?

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What is the "one thing"?

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eric76 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Every one of them are evil. In a recent poll, 55% of them said that Trump and Musk should be killed. 55%!!!!

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That seems rather suspicious so I did some searching on Google.

Here is a link to the report: https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

It turns out that the comment appears to be very accurate and not just political rhetoric.

From the report:

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The survey revealed several troubling trends. Over half of those who self-identied as left of center (55.2%) reported that if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justied (see Figure 1; similar proportions supported murdering Musk and destroying Tesla dealerships). This includes 13% who said this murder would be "Completely Justied." Similarly, nearly half of those who self-identied as left of center said the murder of Elon Musk would be somewhat justied (or greater), with about 9% saying this is "Completely Justied" (see Figure 3). Over of all respondents believe it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships to protest Elon Musk's involvement in the Presidential administration.

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Shocking!

It is worth noting that the survey did not find that 55% believed that they should be murdered, but only that such a murder would be at least somewhat justified.

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94chem said:

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eric76 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Every one of them are evil. In a recent poll, 55% of them said that Trump and Musk should be killed. 55%!!!!

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That seems rather suspicious so I did some searching on Google.

Here is a link to the report: https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

It turns out that the comment appears to be very accurate and not just political rhetoric.

From the report:

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The survey revealed several troubling trends. Over half of those who self-identied as left of center (55.2%) reported that if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justied (see Figure 1; similar proportions supported murdering Musk and destroying Tesla dealerships). This includes 13% who said this murder would be "Completely Justied." Similarly, nearly half of those who self-identied as left of center said the murder of Elon Musk would be somewhat justied (or greater), with about 9% saying this is "Completely Justied" (see Figure 3). Over of all respondents believe it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships to protest Elon Musk's involvement in the Presidential administration.

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Shocking!

It is worth noting that the survey did not find that 55% believed that they should be murdered, but only that such a murder would be at least somewhat justified.

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What is that illiterate spew source? How can they write "justied" over and over again? Does anybody know English any more?

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The reason for this are so-called "ligatures". In order to look nice, some combinations of letters, most notably fi, get combined into a single character. The special character is rarely treated correctly when copy-pasting. You can see this below. If you try to select the ligature, you will notice it is only one "letter". Note that your computer may render the two separate letters by using the ligature.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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EX TEXASEX said:

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BINGO

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A review of Abrego Garcia's 2019 case before a federal immigration judge revealsas noted by Vice President Vancethat the court found sufficient evidence to determine that the El Salvadoran national was, in fact, a member of MS-13. The court's determination is the equivalent of a conviction.

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https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/04/01/ms-13-hoax-alert-media-democrats-spin-gang-member-deportation-into-maryland-father-of-3-sob-story/

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What crime did he commit while being in MS-13? I can put on blue bandanna and say i'm a crip and that doesn't make me a criminal.

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eric76 said:

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94chem said:

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eric76 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Every one of them are evil. In a recent poll, 55% of them said that Trump and Musk should be killed. 55%!!!!

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That seems rather suspicious so I did some searching on Google.

Here is a link to the report: https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

It turns out that the comment appears to be very accurate and not just political rhetoric.

From the report:

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The survey revealed several troubling trends. Over half of those who self-identied as left of center (55.2%) reported that if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justied (see Figure 1; similar proportions supported murdering Musk and destroying Tesla dealerships). This includes 13% who said this murder would be "Completely Justied." Similarly, nearly half of those who self-identied as left of center said the murder of Elon Musk would be somewhat justied (or greater), with about 9% saying this is "Completely Justied" (see Figure 3). Over of all respondents believe it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships to protest Elon Musk's involvement in the Presidential administration.

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Shocking!

It is worth noting that the survey did not find that 55% believed that they should be murdered, but only that such a murder would be at least somewhat justified.

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What is that illiterate spew source? How can they write "justied" over and over again? Does anybody know English any more?

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Let he who has never typoed cast the first stone?

Seriously, that is strange. The wording on the page clearly says "justified" when reading it, but if you paste it, the 'fi' disappears entirely.

Also, if you open the page and search for "justied", you find every "justified" on the page. It appears that the "fi" is not being copied over in a paste operation.

The following site explains the loss of the "fi": https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20535452/why-letter-f-oftentimes-cannot-be-copied-from-text-in-pdf-files

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The reason for this are so-called "ligatures". In order to look nice, some combinations of letters, most notably fi, get combined into a single character. The special character is rarely treated correctly when copy-pasting. You can see this below. If you try to select the ligature, you will notice it is only one "letter". Note that your computer may render the two separate letters by using the ligature.

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94chem said:

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eric76 said:

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94chem said:

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eric76 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Every one of them are evil. In a recent poll, 55% of them said that Trump and Musk should be killed. 55%!!!!

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That seems rather suspicious so I did some searching on Google.

Here is a link to the report: https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

It turns out that the comment appears to be very accurate and not just political rhetoric.

From the report:

Quote:

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The survey revealed several troubling trends. Over half of those who self-identied as left of center (55.2%) reported that if someone murdered Donald Trump, they would be at least somewhat justied (see Figure 1; similar proportions supported murdering Musk and destroying Tesla dealerships). This includes 13% who said this murder would be "Completely Justied." Similarly, nearly half of those who self-identied as left of center said the murder of Elon Musk would be somewhat justied (or greater), with about 9% saying this is "Completely Justied" (see Figure 3). Over of all respondents believe it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships to protest Elon Musk's involvement in the Presidential administration.

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Shocking!

It is worth noting that the survey did not find that 55% believed that they should be murdered, but only that such a murder would be at least somewhat justified.

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What is that illiterate spew source? How can they write "justied" over and over again? Does anybody know English any more?

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Let he who has never typoed cast the first stone?

Seriously, that is strange. The wording on the page clearly says "justified" when reading it, but if you paste it, the 'fi' disappears entirely.

Also, if you open the page and search for "justied", you find every "justified" on the page. It appears that the "fi" is not being copied over in a paste operation.

The following site explains the loss of the "fi": https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20535452/why-letter-f-oftentimes-cannot-be-copied-from-text-in-pdf-files

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The reason for this are so-called "ligatures". In order to look nice, some combinations of letters, most notably fi, get combined into a single character. The special character is rarely treated correctly when copy-pasting. You can see this below. If you try to select the ligature, you will notice it is only one "letter". Note that your computer may render the two separate letters by using the ligature.

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That's crazy. I thought copy & paste was a straightforward thing.

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MarkTwain said:

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The CNN clown tries to ask a framed gotcha question and gets schooled

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The prisoners are still in federal custody.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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This particular guy is a Salvadoran in custody of El Salvador. Period.

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In saying there are no differences in principle, I simply mean that the Trump administration cannot eviscerate prisoners' rights, its own obligations, and the courts' supervision of judicial proceedings by making a custody deal with another country and then disingenuously claiming that it cannot produce the affected prisoners because they are detained in the other country.

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Significantly, El Salvador's Ministry of Public Affairs asserted in a memorandum about the agreement with our State Department: "The Republic of El Salvador confirms it will house these individuals for one year, pending the United States' decision on their long-term disposition" (emphasis added). It couldn't be clearer: This is a temporary agreement under which the Trump administration maintains dominion and control over the fate of the prisoners.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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CampSkunk said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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This particular guy is a Salvadoran in custody of El Salvador. Period.

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Sorry, that's not correct. Andy McCarthy discussed it in detail.

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No, it is exactly correct.

He was an illegal alien from El Salvador. He is now in El Salvador. Bukele is not sending him back because he is a Salvadoran. Why would he come back here?

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Read it yourself. If it is as simple as you say, why did we have to pay El Salvador $6MM to take their own people? Why was a contract needed? Because it's not that simple. I'm sure El Salvador would love to take $6MM a year indefinitely from the US to house their own people, but the US wouldn't agree to that unless there was a reason.

I'm just adding another perspective that I read.

What the Abrego Garcia Dispute Is Really About

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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CampSkunk said:

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Yes. If I have control over the prisoners, even if I choose to house them in a prison by contract, they are still in federal custody. Do you think prisoners are not still the responsibility of the state when they are housed in Harris County. Can Harris County say no when the state comes and gets them? Of course not. By law they are still considered to be in our custody.

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did you go to Hollywood Upstairs College of Law????

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No, I actually read the opinion of people who know what they are talking about, sometimes called subject matter experts. But back to my original point - all Trump has to do is follow the rules, and I wish he would do it.

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CampSkunk said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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CampSkunk said:

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Yes. If I have control over the prisoners, even if I choose to house them in a prison by contract, they are still in federal custody. Do you think prisoners are not still the responsibility of the state when they are housed in Harris County. Can Harris County say no when the state comes and gets them? Of course not. By law they are still considered to be in our custody.

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did you go to Hollywood Upstairs College of Law????

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No, I actually read the opinion of people who know what they are talking about, sometimes called subject matter experts. But back to my original point - all Trump has to do is follow the rules, and I wish he would do it.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Read it yourself. If it is as simple as you say, why did we have to pay El Salvador $6MM to take their own people? Why was a contract needed? Because it's not that simple. I'm sure El Salvador would love to take $6MM a year indefinitely from the US to house their own people, but the US wouldn't agree to that unless there was a reason.

I'm just adding another perspective that I read.

What the Abrego Garcia Dispute Is Really About

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Read what? I listened to Bukele and Trump. The judge cannot make Bukele act.

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Very simple: The court cannot force the feds and a sovereign to make or not make an agreement to cooperate on custody matters. But once a sovereign has made such an agreement with the feds, that sovereign becomes, for these purposes, a mere extension of the federal government.

In effect, the other sovereign is a bailee of the federal government's prisoners. The bailment arrangement does not and cannot constitutionally absolve the American presidential administration of its obligations to comply with federal law. And as long as the Trump DOJ is in the mood to expound pedantically on the separation of powers, the bailment agreement does not and cannot enable the executive branch to obstruct the judicial branch's obligation to protect the due process rights of a prisoner who is properly before the court. (On that score, the Trump DOJ has admitted that Abrego Garcia has a case because the administration illegally transferred him to El Salvador in violation of the 2019 order prohibiting his removal there.)

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Very simple: The court cannot force the feds and a sovereign to make or not make an agreement to cooperate on custody matters. But once a sovereign has made such an agreement with the feds, that sovereign becomes, for these purposes, a mere extension of the federal government.

In effect, the other sovereign is a bailee of the federal government's prisoners. The bailment arrangement does not and cannot constitutionally absolve the American presidential administration of its obligations to comply with federal law. And as long as the Trump DOJ is in the mood to expound pedantically on the separation of powers, the bailment agreement does not and cannot enable the executive branch to obstruct the judicial branch's obligation to protect the due process rights of a prisoner who is properly before the court. (On that score, the Trump DOJ has admitted that Abrego Garcia has a case because the administration illegally transferred him to El Salvador in violation of the 2019 order prohibiting his removal there.)

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CampSkunk said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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CampSkunk said:

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Yes. If I have control over the prisoners, even if I choose to house them in a prison by contract, they are still in federal custody. Do you think prisoners are not still the responsibility of the state when they are housed in Harris County. Can Harris County say no when the state comes and gets them? Of course not. By law they are still considered to be in our custody.

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did you go to Hollywood Upstairs College of Law????

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No, I actually read the opinion of people who know what they are talking about, sometimes called subject matter experts. But back to my original point - all Trump has to do is follow the rules, and I wish he would do it.

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Making sure I'm listening to a SME. What type of law do you practice?

Not trying to be passive aggressive. Truly want to know.

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Logos Stick said:

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Gap said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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EX TEXASEX said:

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BINGO

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A review of Abrego Garcia's 2019 case before a federal immigration judge revealsas noted by Vice President Vancethat the court found sufficient evidence to determine that the El Salvadoran national was, in fact, a member of MS-13. The court's determination is the equivalent of a conviction.

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https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/04/01/ms-13-hoax-alert-media-democrats-spin-gang-member-deportation-into-maryland-father-of-3-sob-story/

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What crime did he commit while being in MS-13? I can put on blue bandanna and say i'm a crip and that doesn't make me a criminal.

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Nice feelings. However, a massive difference is the US Government has designated MS-13 a "foreign terrorist organization" under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

How did some leftists find themselves defending murderous foreign terrorist elements wreaking havoc in the US against our own citizens?

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The left is the party of hate, violence and destruction now. The Democrat party should be designated a terrorist organization.

I'm not joking.

Every one of them are evil. In a recent poll, 55% of them said that Trump and Musk should be killed. 55%!!!!

They are the threat. Not China, not Russia. The American left.

The sooner conservatives wake up to that fact, the better.

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