Is Greenland next?

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I think there's a decent chance that Trump ordering an invasion and of Greenland would be the end of his presidency. I honestly don't know if his order would be obeyed, and at that point it's over for him.
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GAC06 said:

I think there's a decent chance that Trump ordering an invasion and of Greenland would be the end of his presidency. I honestly don't know if his order would be obeyed, and at that point it's over for him.

LOL so how does that look the Generals walk him out of the White House?
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I'm a Marine officer and I voted for Trump. I'm reading the room among my peers. Trump is way off the rails on this one.
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GAC06 said:

I'm a Marine officer and I voted for Trump. I'm reading the room among my peers. Trump is way off the rails on this one.

Sure thing bud.
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docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

Why does that matter?

You're just going to have to figure that one out for yourself.


I'm legitimately curious. In America if you don't pay your property taxes you get your property taken by force. Why does Greenland have a moral obligation greater than American citizens?
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Yukon Cornelius said:

docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

Why does that matter?

You're just going to have to figure that one out for yourself.


I'm legitimately curious. In America if you don't pay your property taxes you get your property taken by force. Why does Greenland have a moral obligation greater than American citizens?

Well in America if you ask your neighbor to sell you their car and they say no and then you steal it then you will go to jail.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

docb said:

Exactly. Big difference between making an offer to buy versus threatening to take by force.

Why does that matter?


Oh wow... You have got to share some details on some of your "purchases"
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docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

Why does that matter?

You're just going to have to figure that one out for yourself.


I'm legitimately curious. In America if you don't pay your property taxes you get your property taken by force. Why does Greenland have a moral obligation greater than American citizens?

Well in America if you ask your neighbor to sell you their car and they say no and then you steal it then you will go to jail.



You brought up using force as a distinction. I asked why that matters. I had an example of US government using force on it owns citizens to take property. So I don't see why Greenland geopolitically or morally revives a benefit we don't get. Then you brought up an irrelevant analogy of a citizen to citizens interaction.
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GAC06 said:

I think there's a decent chance that Trump ordering an invasion and of Greenland would be the end of his presidency. I honestly don't know if his order would be obeyed, and at that point it's over for him.


Hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhahaaha
GAC06
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Might makes right. Let's just take whatever we want, or whatever our president is currently fixated on.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

Why does that matter?

You're just going to have to figure that one out for yourself.


I'm legitimately curious. In America if you don't pay your property taxes you get your property taken by force. Why does Greenland have a moral obligation greater than American citizens?

Well in America if you ask your neighbor to sell you their car and they say no and then you steal it then you will go to jail.



You brought up using force as a distinction. I asked why that matters. I had an example of US government using force on it owns citizens to take property. So I don't see why Greenland geopolitically or morally revives a benefit we don't get. Then you brought up an irrelevant analogy of a citizen to citizens interaction.

Does Greenland owe us property taxes? Your argument makes absolutely zero sense. Zero.
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It's an example of our government using force to take property. And Greenland has even less safeguards morally or legally than a US property owner is my point. The only deterrent from the US taking anything is other people physically opposing it. Geopolitically there are no laws really. So again why does your distinction matter? We've taken many lands by force over the years. Some we keep. Some we give back. Some we sell.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

It's an example of our government using force to take property. And Greenland has even less safeguards morally or legally than a US property owner is my point. The only deterrent from the US taking anything is other people physically opposing it. Geopolitically there are no laws really. So again why does your distinction matter? We've taken many lands by force over the years. Some we keep. Some we give back. Some we sell.

This level of stupidity is beyond comprehension
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There's a point where you have to stop avoiding name calling and point out that you're arguing with a moron
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docb said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

It's an example of our government using force to take property. And Greenland has even less safeguards morally or legally than a US property owner is my point. The only deterrent from the US taking anything is other people physically opposing it. Geopolitically there are no laws really. So again why does your distinction matter? We've taken many lands by force over the years. Some we keep. Some we give back. Some we sell.

This level of stupidity is beyond comprehension


You made the distinction of using force as a novelty. I'm asking why. We have used force as geopolitical tool since our inception to take property. We have land and property all over the world we have just taken. I brought up the example of how our government will use force even on its own citizens as an extreme end of the spectrum to highlight my point. Maybe you lack intelligence to be able understand that and can only default to insults when asked why you believe what you believe.
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.


How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?

Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.


You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
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100%. Future American generations will be debating taking out UK nuclear weapons before the Muslims in charge ship them to whomever. It's going to be a pretty major geopolitical battle. What to do with nuclear armed nations fallen to Islam control.
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This thread is entertaining! We are not going to invade Greenland. It would end Trumps presidency and he knows it. Some of you are so gullible. Now, buy it or negotiate placing defenses there, yeah.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

100%. Future American generations will be debating taking out UK nuclear weapons before the Muslims in charge ship them to whomever. It's going to be a pretty major geopolitical battle. What to do with nuclear armed nations fallen to Islam control.


That's a scary thought. In my opinion, Russia needs to wake up too or maybe we need to wake up. They are a predominantly Christian country still that's about to have hundreds of thousands of Muslim neighbors in their neighborhood with nukes and China as their overlord. I think they are picking the wrong side. How will Russia be any better off than Israel is now in the future in that scenario?

The way the world is shifting now we should maybe be helping them take Ukraine just for the awesome fertile land there. We might need that in the future to feed our countries, and we don't need them killing all the Ukrainians, they are Christian too, mostly, and apparently some fighting SOBs..
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Russia is in real trouble IMO long term. All of Europe really is. There's alot to question about Trump but I do think he's right to solidify our western hemisphere dominance. Execution of that strategy to date is also debatable to its effectiveness. Long term we should Abandon the ME. Let China deal with it. I think Europe with Greenland is like a kid who only wants to play with a toy when another kid wants it. They don't care about Greenland. And they feel embolden standing up to Trump on social media. Meanwhile their countries are getting immigrated to death. It's fascinating to watch. We will have to deal with the fallout of Europe's collapse though. And I don't think many people have thought about that much.
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nai06 said:




Totally rational and sane response. Really sorry I ever doubted this guy's genius or sincerity. It's not about Donald winning a Nobel Peace Prize or getting to cosplay as an "effective leader" like Putin - invading **** (although he does seem to talk about that Nobel Peace Prize thing, obsessively). It's a clear strategy focused for America's defense against Russia. I mean some might have suggested that you know, given we have this strategic alliance with Denmark maybe we could have asked to add defensive capabilities to Greenland that we collectively could use to counter Russian influence in the Arctic. I mean, that's why he wants to blow up NATO and why we've cancelled all aid to Ukraine and always seem to side with Russia on all the "peace deals" and why we're working all sorts of investment deals between the US and Russia as part of that peace deal…….. to counter Russia…

There's no way this guy is just crazy and becoming untethered to reality. This is all just some genius negotiation tactic. It's kind of like how I really like my neighbors house so I demand they sell it to me for $500 and if they don't I'll just burn their house down. I mean, sure I've negotiated large and complex deals before and never thought of playing the "I might be a psychopath" card, but the internet really thinks it works and it's the hallmark of great leadership and vision.

I just sleep well at night knowing that dear leader really knows what he is doing. Like he understands every detail about the business, military, cultural, economic, and strategic relationship of America and Europe, and this just clearly demonstrates that depth of understanding. I mean he's rightfully upset at Norway over the Nobel Peace Prize.

What a ****ing embarrassing orange buffoon.
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JB!98 said:

This thread is entertaining! We are not going to invade Greenland. It would end Trumps presidency and he knows it. Some of you are so gullible. Now, buy it or negotiate placing defenses there, yeah.


They will never sell it. If it was about placing defenses there, there are much more effective ways about doing that within the alliance structure we already have.
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I'm a pretty big fan of our foreign policy lately... but this message is something a teen would scribble in a game of Diplomacy.
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nai06 said:




What "D" chess is this? He sounds like a high school girl that didn't get homecoming queen and is going all "mean girls" to the world
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GAC06 said:

I'm a Marine officer and I voted for Trump. I'm reading the room among my peers. Trump is way off the rails on this one.


This is a disheartening and disturbing development. Trump has not stated invasion was on the table. How has such delusion crept into the officer corps?
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European hypocrisy after their histrionics about Israel, and subjugation of their own people by violent Muslim colonists is truly amazing.

LOL.

They couldn't even handle a shooting match with the Houthis without their navy combatant collapsing/crashing.
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JB!98 said:

This thread is entertaining! We are not going to invade Greenland. It would end Trumps presidency and he knows it. Some of you are so gullible. Now, buy it or negotiate placing defenses there, yeah.


US Pravda has been successful.
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lol wild. What I don't understand is why he is doing this negotiation so publicly and with such flair for lack of a better word. He's had many other deals negotiated very quietly and only revealed when finished.
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Gordo14 said:

JB!98 said:

This thread is entertaining! We are not going to invade Greenland. It would end Trumps presidency and he knows it. Some of you are so gullible. Now, buy it or negotiate placing defenses there, yeah.


They will never sell it. If it was about placing defenses there, there are much more effective ways about doing that within the alliance structure we already have.

Let's save your response and come back to this thread down the road… some on here will be correct and others will be WAY off base.

my opinion is I tend to think this will all get worked out, their will be several major US military ports and bases in Greenland is my guess. It will be there to protect the US, 2nd it will be for EU. Ownership won't matter as long as our military is there

These kinds of things are never worked out in a short period of time, us internet warriors on this board just need to sit back and watch while we give our opinions as to what may happen. Greenland will be like building a new Rome, it ain't happening over night but it will happen
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Will see if that is true.
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GAC06 said:

I'm a Marine officer and I voted for Trump. I'm reading the room among my peers.


LMFAO
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bobbranco said:

GAC06 said:

I'm a Marine officer and I voted for Trump. I'm reading the room among my peers. Trump is way off the rails on this one.


This is a disheartening and disturbing development. Trump has not stated invasion was on the table. How has such delusion crept into the officer corps?


Wild times we are in. I'll give GAC06 the benefit of the doubt and say if Trump were to pursue that and I agree with him. If Trump were to actually pursue invasion, I think there would be enough dissension in the ranks to make it impractical to pull off and then he would get impeached. There are enough Republicans who have publicly lambasted this idea and there is at least one WSJ report out there on military staff being against this.

I think Trump is skirting the boundaries of diplomacy for this one. He's gone all-in on this and while I think conflict with Greenland is his usual Art of the Deal blustering...it's highly provocative talk for a negotiation with an ally though.

I also agree with the larger strategic value of Greenland and why Trump is doing this. Western Europe is a cesspool that is committing cultural suicide while pursuing actual autocratic and tyrannical polices way above and beyond anything Trump has ever proposed. They are lost and not coming back so pursuing Greenland is logical because Europe won't be able to manage it anyway before long once their domestic situations start imploding even further. The EU will be in a death spiral within 5-10 years.
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nortex97 said:


Will see if that is true.

The EU would be done if we taxed all their cars us stupid Americans pay Craxy prices for. They can kick and scream like little babies all they want, they will be happy to turn Greenland over (or allow US bases) as long as we let them keep screwing us over with the autos. The auto industries is all the Euros have left besides pushing woke stuff and globalism BS.
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Trump is unhinged, if any of you think he cares about anyone but himself, give me a break.
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