Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
It’s better to be the hammer than the anvil.
Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
Barack Obama after Iran Nuclear Deal, Aug 2015:
— حافظه تاریخی (@hafezeh_tarikhi) January 19, 2026
Iran will gain access to ~56 billion dollars. Our best analysts expect the bulk of this revenue to improve the economy and benefit the lives of the Iranian people, not that this money be funneled into Iran's pernicious activities. pic.twitter.com/6E3IEye2K6
Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
Why does this whole Greenland thing rile up so many average Americans? Is it just TDS? If Trump somehow ended up getting us Greenland(I don't think it will happen), are these people going to lose their minds over it?
Deputy Travis Junior said:Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.
Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
nortex97 said:🚨 EU TO TRUMP: “PLEASE — NO MORE TARIFFS. LET’S TALK GREENLAND.”
— Jim Ferguson (@JimFergusonUK) January 19, 2026
Suddenly, Brussels is very polite.
After President Trump made it clear that tariffs are on the table over Greenland, European leaders are backing off fast — shelving retaliation and begging for negotiations… pic.twitter.com/96A5kvwpn3
Will see if that is true.
Buttermaker said:
Trump is unhinged, if any of you think he cares about anyone but himself, give me a break.
YouBet said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.
Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
It's the raw resources + full ownership of military activities. Two-pronged here.
Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
shiftyandquick said:
Invading NATO and destroying the NATO alliance is bad for America. Horrible for America.
All because he didn't get the peace prize.
When did "no new wars" turn into "invade NATO"?
Do you guys flip on every single issue, just because Trump says so? This is madness.
Troy91 said:
Greenland is the primary land defense area against any missile attacks from Russia and China.
Currently, the nations taking the lead for Greenland defense cannot even provide adequate defense for their homelands much less for a remote land mass.
This is Trump attempting to build a defensive perimeter for the inevitable resources wars that are building up, i.e, Taiwan, Middle East, etc.
Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies. What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
Deputy Travis Junior said:Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.
Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
TacosaurusRex said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.
Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
Because you are looking through the lens of the past. You keep using the word "staunch ally," when they are anything but. I also want to know what kind of defenses you can set up if it came to the point where you had to take Greenland by force. This seems like a great plan, and I hope it is your kids building those bases and not mine if we follow your plan.
Staunch allies don't invite your biggest threat into the kitchen. Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope. What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems? What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO? They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control. The only thing the EU can be counted on is giving up their countries to foreigners and locking up those that speak about it.
I appreciate the people that do not want to upset the applecart, but if you haven't noticed it yet, we will have another world war. I would like my country to be doing everything it can to prepare for it.
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Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope.
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What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems?
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What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO?
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They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control.
Buttermaker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
Why does this whole Greenland thing rile up so many average Anericans? Is it just TDS? If Trump somehow ended up getting us Greenland(I don't think it will happen), are these people going to lose their minds over it?
So, just because Greenland can't defend itself, we are going to take it. Sounds like something Putin would do.
K2-HMFIC said:TacosaurusRex said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.
Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
Because you are looking through the lens of the past. You keep using the word "staunch ally," when they are anything but. I also want to know what kind of defenses you can set up if it came to the point where you had to take Greenland by force. This seems like a great plan, and I hope it is your kids building those bases and not mine if we follow your plan.
Staunch allies don't invite your biggest threat into the kitchen. Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope. What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems? What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO? They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control. The only thing the EU can be counted on is giving up their countries to foreigners and locking up those that speak about it.
I appreciate the people that do not want to upset the applecart, but if you haven't noticed it yet, we will have another world war. I would like my country to be doing everything it can to prepare for it.
Let's dissect this.Quote:
Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope.
Well…according to shipping records only 15 Chinese commercial vessels visited Greenland last year.
The Port of Long Beach get's more in a single day.Quote:
What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems?
Where are the Chinese getting access next to Pitffuik? That is literally not true.Quote:
What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO?
I served w/the Danes in Afghanistan…and 43 of them died there supporting the only ever activation of Article V.Quote:
They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control.
Well…the Thule Agreement already gives us that…so what else do we need? Be specific.
Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable?
TacosaurusRex said:K2-HMFIC said:TacosaurusRex said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Ramdiesel said:Deputy Travis Junior said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.
How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?
Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.
You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.
I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.
Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
Because you are looking through the lens of the past. You keep using the word "staunch ally," when they are anything but. I also want to know what kind of defenses you can set up if it came to the point where you had to take Greenland by force. This seems like a great plan, and I hope it is your kids building those bases and not mine if we follow your plan.
Staunch allies don't invite your biggest threat into the kitchen. Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope. What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems? What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO? They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control. The only thing the EU can be counted on is giving up their countries to foreigners and locking up those that speak about it.
I appreciate the people that do not want to upset the applecart, but if you haven't noticed it yet, we will have another world war. I would like my country to be doing everything it can to prepare for it.
Let's dissect this.Quote:
Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope.
Well…according to shipping records only 15 Chinese commercial vessels visited Greenland last year.
The Port of Long Beach get's more in a single day.Quote:
What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems?
Where are the Chinese getting access next to Pitffuik? That is literally not true.Quote:
What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO?
I served w/the Danes in Afghanistan…and 43 of them died there supporting the only ever activation of Article V.Quote:
They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control.
Well…the Thule Agreement already gives us that…so what else do we need? Be specific.
I will answer the only one that matters.
All of it. Full and total control. Greenland becomes an independent territory outside of defense and free trade.
fullback44 said:Buttermaker said:
Do y'all think Trump is making the world safer/more stable? I'm curious what the responses will be.
Let's wait and see, no one on this board knows what's going on, bunch of wild guesses and opinions, time is going to tell where this all goes. A bunch of keyboard warriors YELLING at one another doesn't prove anything. The US may have intel showing enemies have plans to come after Greenland .. no one on this board would know any of that. Let's ride this one out, keep the opinions down to a civil level and see where this goes. There is zero chance our military goes into Greenland just to appease Trumps ego, they would go in to establish a safety barrier for the US and the EU if it is now needed. Patience will tell us what really is going on with Greenland
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Heallowedprovided the funds for Iran to enrich uranium and build it's nuclear capability.
Logos Stick said:
The Danes died protecting their own self interest, not the interest of NATO. It's already been explained to you.
dds08 said:
Perhaps Trump wants to get this deal closed before midterms because he doesn't want to risk having repubs lose the house and fumble everything away entirely.