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Squadron7 said:

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policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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too?Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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All of those state senators from Indiana and the sitting US Senator from LA......was that THE JOOOOOOOOOOS (TM), too?

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When its time to blame the Jews, antisemitism requires no reason or logic.

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I heard that in addition to training dogs to r@pe Palestinians that the Israelis also have them harvesting ballots for the Bad Orange Man.

It is Nick Kristoff's next big expose'.

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DeschutesAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Trump Republicanism is radically different from Reagan - Bush - Cheney - McCain Republicanism.

The rules of Trump Republicanism are different. The values and principles of Trump Republicanism are very different.

And although that has been obvious for the past several years, it still takes time for people to understand it and accept it.

A lot more Rs understand it now than did 4 weeks ago.

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Good. Glad people are finally coming around that 40 years of weak kneed decorum first "gentlemanly" Rs who oft caucused with the enemy under the name of "bipartisanship" have had their asses completely handed to them by the evil DNC machine to the point we are staring down a national divorce and experiencing routine assassination attempts just to try and get back to "normal".

It's very good what people are learning and I will again ask why it took so frickin long?

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Not everyone in this nation is willing to accede to bending a knee to Trumpism and be a subservient coward, turn a blind eye to lying and unlawful abuse of power and corruption, and have no conscience and no principles. Yet that is the price one must pay to be a loyal Trump Republican.

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A big reason I wanted Massie to win was to show that you don't have to fall in line with Trump on every issue. But this situation shows it if you don't, the political machine will come after you in many different ways and have you removed.

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Are the actual voters in that Kentucky district to be given any credit for any agency of their own?

Any at all?

You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

Squadron7 said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Trump Republicanism is radically different from Reagan - Bush - Cheney - McCain Republicanism.

The rules of Trump Republicanism are different. The values and principles of Trump Republicanism are very different.

And although that has been obvious for the past several years, it still takes time for people to understand it and accept it.

A lot more Rs understand it now than did 4 weeks ago.

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Good. Glad people are finally coming around that 40 years of weak kneed decorum first "gentlemanly" Rs who oft caucused with the enemy under the name of "bipartisanship" have had their asses completely handed to them by the evil DNC machine to the point we are staring down a national divorce and experiencing routine assassination attempts just to try and get back to "normal".

It's very good what people are learning and I will again ask why it took so frickin long?

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Not everyone in this nation is willing to accede to bending a knee to Trumpism and be a subservient coward, turn a blind eye to lying and unlawful abuse of power and corruption, and have no conscience and no principles. Yet that is the price one must pay to be a loyal Trump Republican.

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A big reason I wanted Massie to win was to show that you don't have to fall in line with Trump on every issue. But this situation shows it if you don't, the political machine will come after you in many different ways and have you removed.

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Are the actual voters in that Kentucky district to be given any credit for any agency of their own?

Any at all?

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No, just the Jews.

Zachary Klement said:

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policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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The Republican Jewish Coalition has spent $4 million on ads supporting Gallrein, with AIPAC super PAC United Democracy Project spending another $2.6 million, according to AdImpact.

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https://www.axios.com/2026/05/11/thomas-massie-ed-gallrein-kentucky-aipac-trump

Other sites report $10-11 mil from pro-Israel groups.

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So about 28% on the total spent on the race? I bet you will find they've spent a much higher percentage on many other races around the country over the years.

I'm not arguing people that like an American-Israel alliance didn't want Massie gone. They did. But people supportive of Trump and his overall agenda wanted him gone as well. Massie was getting progressively more hostile in his rhetoric toward the leader of the party he was a member of. Way outside the normal behaviors of a member of Congress upset about one issue or another with the rest of their party or the WH.

I'm not suggesting Massie should not have his own convictions apart from Trump. Lots of things Massie champions I also champion. There are things that he supports that he's angry about when it comes to Trumps agenda and I'm angry about some of the same things. But a political party is not a political philosophy. This is a drum I have been banging on here for two decades. Rand Paul is a good example of someone from the more libertarian leg of the GOP stool that understands and operates in a way that acknowledges that reality. You don't have to be in lockstep with everything your political party leader wants when it comes to voting. You can have the knock down drag out debates in caucus. But when it comes to rhetoric day in and day out, constantly trading in low blow conspiracy material that takes aim directly at the leader of your party will have consequences. You can only imply that your party leader is protecting pedophiles so many times before the party apparatus will move to eliminate your presence in the party. That's not just a Trump thing. Nearly every president has held that standard. That's not some new standard perpetuated inside the dark underbelly of the super secret groups that love Israel more than America that apparently exist now according to some of the podcast bros.

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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Was the same war machine in place in Indiana and in Louisiana? Granted, great effort was expended on Massie...but the KY election is not the only data point to consider.

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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Was the same war machine in place in Indiana and in Louisiana? Granted, great effort was expended on Massie...but the KY election is not the only data point to consider.

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Was the Secretary of War in their district campaigning against them? While we are in active war, I might add... Were there multiple hit pieces on these candidates? Did Trump call them the worst congressman in U.S. history? (I can name quite a few democrats that would take that cake) Was it the most expensive house primary in US History like this one? The answer is no to all of those.

JUST IN: The Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund just filed another $470,000 of spending against Thomas Massie.

There has now been more than $20,000,000 of outside spending in this race.

It is the most expensive House primary in history.

Track election spending on Quiver. pic.twitter.com/hIMlha5jsQ

— Quiver Quantitative (@QuiverQuant) May 16, 2026

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DeschutesAg said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Trump Republicanism is radically different from Reagan - Bush - Cheney - McCain Republicanism.

The rules of Trump Republicanism are different. The values and principles of Trump Republicanism are very different.

And although that has been obvious for the past several years, it still takes time for people to understand it and accept it.

A lot more Rs understand it now than did 4 weeks ago.

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Good. Glad people are finally coming around that 40 years of weak kneed decorum first "gentlemanly" Rs who oft caucused with the enemy under the name of "bipartisanship" have had their asses completely handed to them by the evil DNC machine to the point we are staring down a national divorce and experiencing routine assassination attempts just to try and get back to "normal".

It's very good what people are learning and I will again ask why it took so frickin long?

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Not everyone in this nation is willing to accede to bending a knee to Trumpism and be a subservient coward, turn a blind eye to lying and unlawful abuse of power and corruption, and have no conscience and no principles. Yet that is the price one must pay to be a loyal Trump Republican.

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Way to reduce fully half the country to cardboard cutout politcal caricatures to flatter your view of your own nobility.

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For sure. And it is amazing how "doing the right, just, moral, and principled thing" in their view somehow always coincides with voting for whatever it is the democrats want to do.

Poor little Massie. Glad he's gone and worth every penny to get rid of him.

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Was the secretary of war in their district campinging against them? While we are in active war, I might add... Was there multiple hit pieces on these canidates? Was it the most expensive house primary in US History like this one? The answer is no to all of those.

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Which is why they all survived their prima......oh, wait.

policywonk98 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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Quote:

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The Republican Jewish Coalition has spent $4 million on ads supporting Gallrein, with AIPAC super PAC United Democracy Project spending another $2.6 million, according to AdImpact.

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https://www.axios.com/2026/05/11/thomas-massie-ed-gallrein-kentucky-aipac-trump

Other sites report $10-11 mil from pro-Israel groups.

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So about 28% on the total spent on the race? I bet you will find they've spent a much higher percentage on many other races around the country over the years.

I'm not arguing people that like an American-Israel alliance didn't want Massie gone. They did. But people supportive of Trump and his overall agenda wanted him gone as well. Massie was getting progressively more hostile in his rhetoric toward the leader of the party he was a member of. Way outside the normal behaviors of a member of Congress upset about one issue or another with the rest of their party or the WH.

I'm not suggesting Massie should not have his own convictions apart from Trump. Lots of things Massie champions I also champion. There are things that he supports that he's angry about when it comes to Trumps agenda and I'm angry about some of the same things. But a political party is not a political philosophy. This is a drum I have been banging on here for two decades. Rand Paul is a good example of someone from the more libertarian leg of the GOP stool that understands and operates in a way that acknowledges that reality. You don't have to be in lockstep with everything your political party leader wants when it comes to voting. You can have the knock down drag out debates in caucus. But when it comes to rhetoric day in and day out, constantly trading in low blow conspiracy material that takes aim directly at the leader of your party will have consequences. You can only imply that your party leader is protecting pedophiles so many times before the party apparatus will move to eliminate your presence in the party. That's not just a Trump thing. Nearly every president has held that standard. That's not some new standard perpetuated inside the dark underbelly of the super secret groups that love Israel more than America that apparently exist now according to some of the podcast bros.

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I would not say he was ousted solely because of pro-Israel donor money. I have seen estimates of $7-8 million coming in from other large PACs that have been supportive of Trump. Either way, the way money can flip an election is troublesome to me. I saw something that reported that both Gallrein and Massie's campaigns received 7-9% of their funding from Kentucky-based donors and a vast majority of the outside money was from big-money donors. That does not seem right or like how we should want things to function.

You raise really good points in the last paragraph and I see the comparison you draw to someone like Rand Paul. I don't disagree.

policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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Yes Massie went against Trump on some things. But that isn't why he was primaried. He was primaried because he also went against Israel with his opposition to the American money to Israel and the foreign war for Israel. As well as the Epstein thing. This is why AIPAC, Miriam Adelson, and the Republican Jewish Coalition dumped tens of millions of dollars to defeat him.

GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking it was NOT about that.

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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The fact that you think a large number of R voters are getting their orders from Fox News tells me how out of touch you are with the average R voter. Fox threw away their credibility with R voters in 2020 and for the most part it hasn't come back. I think the margin of victory for Gallrein indicates that he would have won even without the support from the pro-israel PACs. The ad buys likely had some influence, but when one candidate wins by double digits with both candidates having plenty of money to spend to get their message out, it is an indication that there were strong opinions driving the vote.

Massie was mostly a non-controversial R seen as a fiscal hawk over the course of his career, but during this most recent session, he positioned himself as the R opposition to Trump in much the same way Liz Cheney did before him. And he suffered the same fate. The machine came after him because he decided to play for the other team too many times when it was really important, and it had nothing to do with the Joos. Their money wouldn't have made a meaningful difference if he hadn't given them plenty of ammunition used to take shots at him.

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Poor little Massie. Glad he's gone and worth every penny to get rid of him.

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The right pigs are squealing.

Dude will end up on CNN/MSNBC or with the Lincoln Foundation.

txags92 said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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The fact that you think a large number of R voters are getting their orders from Fox News tells me how out of touch you are with the average R voter. Fox threw away their credibility with R voters in 2020 and for the most part it hasn't come back. I think the margin of victory for Gallrein indicates that he would have won even without the support from the pro-israel PACs. The ad buys likely had some influence, but when one candidate wins by double digits with both candidates having plenty of money to spend to get their message out, it is an indication that there were strong opinions driving the vote.

Massie was mostly a non-controversial R seen as a fiscal hawk over the course of his career, but during this most recent session, he positioned himself as the R opposition to Trump in much the same way Liz Cheney did before him. And he suffered the same fate. The machine came after him because he decided to play for the other team too many times when it was really important, and it had nothing to do with the Joos. Their money wouldn't have made a meaningful difference if he hadn't given them plenty of ammunition used to take shots at him.

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If the ads are as ridiculous as we have seen in Texas between Cornyn and Paxton, then those ads had little to no impact.

Squadron7 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Trump Republicanism is radically different from Reagan - Bush - Cheney - McCain Republicanism.

The rules of Trump Republicanism are different. The values and principles of Trump Republicanism are very different.

And although that has been obvious for the past several years, it still takes time for people to understand it and accept it.

A lot more Rs understand it now than did 4 weeks ago.

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Good. Glad people are finally coming around that 40 years of weak kneed decorum first "gentlemanly" Rs who oft caucused with the enemy under the name of "bipartisanship" have had their asses completely handed to them by the evil DNC machine to the point we are staring down a national divorce and experiencing routine assassination attempts just to try and get back to "normal".

It's very good what people are learning and I will again ask why it took so frickin long?

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Not everyone in this nation is willing to accede to bending a knee to Trumpism and be a subservient coward, turn a blind eye to lying and unlawful abuse of power and corruption, and have no conscience and no principles. Yet that is the price one must pay to be a loyal Trump Republican.

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Way to reduce fully half the country to cardboard cutout politcal caricatures to flatter your view of your own nobility.

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Trump loyalists are not half the country. They are about 30%-35% of the electorate.

Keyno said:

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policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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Yes Massie went against Trump on some things. But that isn't why he was primaried. He was primaried because he also went against Israel with his opposition to the American money to Israel and the foreign war for Israel. As well as the Epstein thing. This is why AIPAC, Miriam Adelson, and the Republican Jewish Coalition dumped tens of millions of dollars to defeat him.

GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking it was NOT about that.

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So you vote based on ads?

DeepETX_Aggie said:

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Squadron7 said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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Was the same war machine in place in Indiana and in Louisiana? Granted, great effort was expended on Massie...but the KY election is not the only data point to consider.

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Was the Secretary of War in their district campaigning against them? While we are in active war, I might add... Were there multiple hit pieces on these candidates? Did Trump call them the worst congressman in U.S. history? (I can name quite a few democrats that would take that cake) Was it the most expensive house primary in US History like this one? The answer is no to all of those.

JUST IN: The Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund just filed another $470,000 of spending against Thomas Massie.

There has now been more than $20,000,000 of outside spending in this race.

It is the most expensive House primary in history.

Track election spending on Quiver. pic.twitter.com/hIMlha5jsQ

— Quiver Quantitative (@QuiverQuant) May 16, 2026

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Trump and the party apparatus wanted him gone. There is no disputing this. Nobody is trying to hide this fact. And that is unusual, which is why the primary race was so expensive. Unseating a long time of incumbent is expensive work in the electoral process. Why do you think the most expensive primary in U.S. Senate history is going on right now in Texas? Last I heard that primary race is in the $130m range. Might go higher by next week. Well funded primary challenge races against long time well funded incumbents is rare, but when it happens it escalates quickly. When you compare these races inflation adjusted, these two races in this cycle will still be at the top but I also think these two races will quickly fall in the order over the next 10 years as more and more money flows into primary challengers against entrenched incumbents in both parties. Political campaign money had moved from ridiculous to absurd to scary in very quick order in the last 25 years.

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txags92 said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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The fact that you think a large number of R voters are getting their orders from Fox News tells me how out of touch you are with the average R voter. Fox threw away their credibility with R voters in 2020 and for the most part it hasn't come back. I think the margin of victory for Gallrein indicates that he would have won even without the support from the pro-israel PACs. The ad buys likely had some influence, but when one candidate wins by double digits with both candidates having plenty of money to spend to get their message out, it is an indication that there were strong opinions driving the vote.

Massie was mostly a non-controversial R seen as a fiscal hawk over the course of his career, but during this most recent session, he positioned himself as the R opposition to Trump in much the same way Liz Cheney did before him. And he suffered the same fate. The machine came after him because he decided to play for the other team too many times when it was really important, and it had nothing to do with the Joos. Their money wouldn't have made a meaningful difference if he hadn't given them plenty of ammunition used to take shots at him.

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If the ads are as ridiculous as we have seen in Texas between Cornyn and Paxton, then those ads had little to no impact.

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PACs do not dump millions into ads because they have "little to no impact". Do you know how political elections work?

DeschutesAg said:

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Trump loyalists are not half the country. They are about 30%-35% of the electorate.

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We have a 100$ accurate poll from about 18 months ago that shows your numbers are off.

Bottom line: Massie isn't a coward, that's why he had to go.

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MelvinUdall said:

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txags92 said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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The fact that you think a large number of R voters are getting their orders from Fox News tells me how out of touch you are with the average R voter. Fox threw away their credibility with R voters in 2020 and for the most part it hasn't come back. I think the margin of victory for Gallrein indicates that he would have won even without the support from the pro-israel PACs. The ad buys likely had some influence, but when one candidate wins by double digits with both candidates having plenty of money to spend to get their message out, it is an indication that there were strong opinions driving the vote.

Massie was mostly a non-controversial R seen as a fiscal hawk over the course of his career, but during this most recent session, he positioned himself as the R opposition to Trump in much the same way Liz Cheney did before him. And he suffered the same fate. The machine came after him because he decided to play for the other team too many times when it was really important, and it had nothing to do with the Joos. Their money wouldn't have made a meaningful difference if he hadn't given them plenty of ammunition used to take shots at him.

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If the ads are as ridiculous as we have seen in Texas between Cornyn and Paxton, then those ads had little to no impact.

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PACs do not dump millions into ads because they have "little to no impact". Do you know how political elections work?

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I know how they work, I am simply making a comment on how bad the ads are in Texas between Cornyn and Paxton, I laugh everytime one comes on…hence my comment if they were as bad in Indiana.

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policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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Yes Massie went against Trump on some things. But that isn't why he was primaried. He was primaried because he also went against Israel with his opposition to the American money to Israel and the foreign war for Israel. As well as the Epstein thing. This is why AIPAC, Miriam Adelson, and the Republican Jewish Coalition dumpers tens of millions of dollars to defeat him.

GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking it was NOT about that.

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(Note: Your cut and paste notes have a typo in them after "Jewish Coalition". Might want to let whoever wrote them know so it isn't so easy to pick out when they get posted everywhere else on the internet."

I think it is funny to see competing efforts by the never Trumpers about who is to blame for Massie's downfall. One group of Orange Man Bad TDS sufferers is absolutely convinced that it is evil Trump duping his minions into voting for whoever he tells them to, while the other is totally convinced it is the Joos controlling everything again.

Both ignore the fact that this group of voters had voted to send Massie to congress repeatedly by double digits and the main thing that changed between 2024 and 2026 is that Massey decided to put himself directly in opposition to the agenda that huge majorities of R voters came out to vote for in 2024, and he took democratic donor money while he was doing it. He gleefully stood with some of the most left-wing (and most anti-semitic) democrats to poke his finger in the eye of House leadership and Trump and he expected his district (who also voted overwhelmingly for Trump) not to notice or care? That is ridiculous on its face and he should have expected exactly what he got in return for his antics.

MelvinUdall said:

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Keyno said:

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MelvinUdall said:

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txags92 said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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You think Massie would've lost if this political war machine didn't come after him? I highly doubt it; he won the same district twice by a very wide margin.

But as we have seen, a good portion of voters will follow the orders they see being given out on Fox News, their favorite GOP talking heads, etc.

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The fact that you think a large number of R voters are getting their orders from Fox News tells me how out of touch you are with the average R voter. Fox threw away their credibility with R voters in 2020 and for the most part it hasn't come back. I think the margin of victory for Gallrein indicates that he would have won even without the support from the pro-israel PACs. The ad buys likely had some influence, but when one candidate wins by double digits with both candidates having plenty of money to spend to get their message out, it is an indication that there were strong opinions driving the vote.

Massie was mostly a non-controversial R seen as a fiscal hawk over the course of his career, but during this most recent session, he positioned himself as the R opposition to Trump in much the same way Liz Cheney did before him. And he suffered the same fate. The machine came after him because he decided to play for the other team too many times when it was really important, and it had nothing to do with the Joos. Their money wouldn't have made a meaningful difference if he hadn't given them plenty of ammunition used to take shots at him.

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If the ads are as ridiculous as we have seen in Texas between Cornyn and Paxton, then those ads had little to no impact.

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PACs do not dump millions into ads because they have "little to no impact". Do you know how political elections work?

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I know how they work, I am simply making a comment on how bad the ads are in Texas between Cornyn and Paxton, I laugh everytime one comes on…hence my comment if they were as bad in Indiana.

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I will admit, I haven't really seen them as I do not have cable. But unfortunately our country is full of the most basic IQ people (many of them older than 50) who eat the ads up

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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Yes Massie went against Trump on some things. But that isn't why he was primaried. He was primaried because he also went against Israel with his opposition to the American money to Israel and the foreign war for Israel. As well as the Epstein thing. This is why AIPAC, Miriam Adelson, and the Republican Jewish Coalition dumped tens of millions of dollars to defeat him.

GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking it was NOT about that.

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I'm sorry, but who is doing the gaslighting here? The stuff that Massie was saying about Trump and his own party was very unusual for a party caucus member to say and he was saying it ALOT. Lots of airtime and lots of chirping. As I already argued in an earlier post. There is the path that a Rand Paul has taken on these issues in his career and there is the path that Massie took. Not dissimilar to Adam Kinzinger. Who I can assure you would have faced a very expensive primary battle himself had he not chosen not to rerun for Congress.

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Keyno said:

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policywonk98 said:

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Keyno said:

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Massie made it a referendum alright, but I will defer to Scott here as he is more eloquent than I am.

You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ole’ Lone Ranger, or mess around with … Trump! My KY-04 analysis for CNN tonight. pic.twitter.com/YgZCdhBSXA

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) May 20, 2026

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Just like I said- the GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking this was about Massie going against Trump and totally memory hole that fact that it was the israel lobby which funded Gallrein.

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That doesn't really make any sense. It was very clear Massie had multiple issues with Trump, several having nothing to do with Israel and the conflict with Iran.

What % of Gallreins campaign was funded by this so-called "Israel lobby".

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Yes Massie went against Trump on some things. But that isn't why he was primaried. He was primaried because he also went against Israel with his opposition to the American money to Israel and the foreign war for Israel. As well as the Epstein thing. This is why AIPAC, Miriam Adelson, and the Republican Jewish Coalition dumped tens of millions of dollars to defeat him.

GOP partisan shills are going to gaslight everyone into thinking it was NOT about that.

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I'm sorry, but who is doing the gaslighting here? The stuff that Massie was saying about Trump and his own party was very unusual for a party caucus member to say and he was saying it ALOT. Lots of airtime and lots of chirping. As I already argued in an earlier post. There is the path that a Rand Paul has taken on these issues in his career and there is the path that Massie took. Not dissimilar to Adam Kinzinger. Who I can assure you would have faced a very expensive primary battle himself had he not chosen not to rerun for Congress.

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This ^

ATX_AG_08 said:

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Massie spent the last year calling Trump a pedophile.

He's been on the podcast circuit with a lot of disgusting people. The absolute scummiest leftists support him.

He's hanging out with people wearing literally nazi paraphernalia.

He spoke up against the Jews.

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This is all they see.

Oh the conundrum!

The voters in Kentucky-04 voted for Ed Gallrein.

One person, one vote.

🇺🇸 https://t.co/YCl4HHeLoH

— AIPAC 🇺🇸🇮🇱 (@AIPAC) May 20, 2026

I loved how Bernie has moved off of millionaires now that he is one without actually ever holding a real job.