Massie is worse than John McCain

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In reply to Ag83 • 12:55p, 5/17/26
Outside the boundaries of the current GOP, the word "conservative" still pertains to believing in certain policies and principles.

But inside the border lines of the current GOP, blind fealty and obedience to Trump is the sole definition of what "conservatism" means nowadays.

"Le conservatisme, c'est moi."

If a lifelong conservative R steps outside that defining line, like Thomas Massie has done, odds are high that R will end up like MTG, Liz Cheney, McCain, Bowers, Boebert, Bob Mueller, Mitt Romney, GWB, Tom Tillis, and thousands of others.

If Tom Massie survives this primary, he will be one of a handful of unicorns.

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In reply to DeschutesAg • 12:59p, 5/17/26
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That's a lot of not conservative names
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:08p, 5/17/26
flown-the-coop said:
Conservative principles as defined by libertarians.

Thats the issue.
"Conservatism is whatever Donald Trump says it is." is the issue in Massie's primary.

I read yesterday that Massie is leading in some polls and trailing in some polls.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 1:10p, 5/17/26
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TAMUallen said:
That's a lot of not conservative names

Your cohort doesn't want to step up to the plate, but would you define (in your own words) what you consider the top 5 conservative principles?
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In reply to Ag83 • 1:16p, 5/17/26
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Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
That's a lot of not conservative names

Your cohort doesn't want to step up to the plate, but would you define (in your own words) what you consider the top 5 conservative principles?


Ive seen your posts and do not engage since you want to regularly sling insults to "Trumpophyles" "Trumpsters" "licking Trump's boots" "MDSers"
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1:19p, 5/17/26
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This isnt discussion.

This is petty name calling from some anti trump Massie supporters

Enjoy the loss
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In reply to DeschutesAg • 1:24p, 5/17/26
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DeschutesAg said:
flown-the-coop said:
Conservative principles as defined by libertarians.

Thats the issue.

"Conservatism is whatever Donald Trump says it is." is the issue in Massie's primary.

I read yesterday that Massie is leading in some polls and trailing in some polls.

You can find me being very consistent in me saying the labels as they tend to be deployed are utterly useless.

Then this morning on this very thread I outlined how libertarian conservatism and a hyper focus on fiscal conservatism is just NOT where the party is. Some may not like that but white knighting for chumps like Massie and Paul is a fools errand if what you desire are the policies they supposedly stand for. Because their attitude and antics are at distinct odds with actually working within our system of government to improve things.

Just like the problems of today did not happen in 4 years of Biden or 12 years of Obama, the fiscal problems in particular have been brewing for decades.

Rather than work within his party on plausible improvements even though they may not meet their definition of perfect fiscal conservatism, they deploy the "blow it all the **** up for social media clicks".

That's from the AOC squad playbook, a Bernie Sanders-esque declaration to rile up the ******ed masses.

Trump is the leader of the conservative side of the aisle. I don't care if you call it MAGA, America First, Patriotism, Nationalism, Populism, Trumplican... whatever. Labels are *****

Massie's actions and his antics speak to his character. And its not a great picture no matter what labels you throw out.
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In reply to Ag83 • 1:25p, 5/17/26
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Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
That's a lot of not conservative names

Your cohort doesn't want to step up to the plate, but would you define (in your own words) what you consider the top 5 conservative principles?

When you take a "step down" from trolling others with hateful demands, take the time to learn about what today's conservative principles are.

Sorry your Bush neo-con party left you behind.

President Trump's America First Priorities The White House
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1:25p, 5/17/26
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This is awesome. Team Red is going to kill itself going to bat for a NY liberal and a foreign governement.

Now let's go after Team Blue.



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In reply to TAMUallen • 1:33p, 5/17/26
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TAMUallen said:
Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
That's a lot of not conservative names

Your cohort doesn't want to step up to the plate, but would you define (in your own words) what you consider the top 5 conservative principles?


Ive seen your posts and do not engage since you want to regularly sling insults to "Trumpophyles" "Trumpsters" "licking Trump's boots" "MDSers"

So you Trumpsters can call everyone who has the audacity to disagree with a Trump position as being TDSers (happens countless times here) but you can't handle being called a "Trumpster", a "Trumpophyle", a Trump boot-lickrer", or, and this is the richest of all, a "MDSer".As far as I know I am the first and only one to use this term solely because of the constant and incessant use of "TDSers" (for ANYONE who dares disagree with Dear Leader) from your side?

Your side can insult and condescend but, by God (Trump), it can't go the other way? Can you discuss policy, positions, and political philosophy beyond what Trump tells you?
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In reply to FWTXAg • 1:34p, 5/17/26
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FWTXAg said:
This is awesome. Team Red is going to kill itself going to bat for a NY liberal and a foreign governement.

Now let's go after Team Blue.




Trump is Team Red, White and Blue.

Sorry your anarchy lost, as did your spell check.
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In reply to Ag83 • 1:37p, 5/17/26
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Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
That's a lot of not conservative names

Your cohort doesn't want to step up to the plate, but would you define (in your own words) what you consider the top 5 conservative principles?


Ive seen your posts and do not engage since you want to regularly sling insults to "Trumpophyles" "Trumpsters" "licking Trump's boots" "MDSers"

So you Trumpsters can call everyone who has the audacity to disagree with a Trump position as being TDSers (happens countless times here) but you can't handle being called a "Trumpster", a "Trumpophyle", a Trump boot-lickrer", or, and this is the richest of all, a "MDSer".As far as I know I am the first and only one to use this term solely because of the constant and incessant use of "TDSers" (for ANYONE who dares disagree with Dear Leader) from your side?

Your side can insult and condescend but, by God (Trump), it can't go the other way? Can you discuss policy, positions, and political philosophy beyond what Trump tells you?

Wrong again. See my previous post and below. But you probably should not be the one opining on others "condescension".
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Trump is the leader of the conservative side of the aisle. I don't care if you call it MAGA, America First, Patriotism, Nationalism, Populism, Trumplican... whatever. Labels are *****

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In reply to DeepETX_Aggie • 1:42p, 5/17/26
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DeepETX_Aggie said:
flown-the-coop said:
DeepETX_Aggie said:
nortex97 said:
He also sports the de facto IRGC endorsement.


Now Massie is pro IRGC?? Jesus you people are delusional

Votes with Dems to restrict Trump from further action.

This is not hard.

he votes republican +90% of the time. Do you know why he didn't vote R the few times he didn't?


Dunking the ball in your opponents' basket to defeat your team is beyond stupid and will result in a long bench warming or boot. Massie earned the boot out the door.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:45p, 5/17/26
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flown-the-coop said:
FWTXAg said:
This is awesome. Team Red is going to kill itself going to bat for a NY liberal and a foreign governement.

Now let's go after Team Blue.




Trump is Team Red, White and Blue.

Sorry your anarchy lost, as did your spell check.


Trump is team Trump.

And anarchy didn't lose, it's just getting started.
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In reply to DeschutesAg • 1:46p, 5/17/26
Massie is just another fake conservative.

Trump has governed more conservatively than any president since Reagan. That is both an indictment of the Republican Party and a commendation for Trump, since he is personally not that conservative.

That Deschutes, along with Iran and other far leftists, is rooting for Massie, tells you all you need to know about Massie. I hope he gets destroyed in his primary. He's a fraud and a failure.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 1:49p, 5/17/26
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Awesome that big money donors can just come in and money whip a district to get their way.
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In reply to DeepETX_Aggie • 1:52p, 5/17/26
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DeepETX_Aggie said:


Trump described the Adelson playbook previously. How quickly people forget!
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:54p, 5/17/26
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flown-the-coop said:
Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
Ag83 said:
TAMUallen said:
That's a lot of not conservative names

Your cohort doesn't want to step up to the plate, but would you define (in your own words) what you consider the top 5 conservative principles?


Ive seen your posts and do not engage since you want to regularly sling insults to "Trumpophyles" "Trumpsters" "licking Trump's boots" "MDSers"

So you Trumpsters can call everyone who has the audacity to disagree with a Trump position as being TDSers (happens countless times here) but you can't handle being called a "Trumpster", a "Trumpophyle", a Trump boot-lickrer", or, and this is the richest of all, a "MDSer".As far as I know I am the first and only one to use this term solely because of the constant and incessant use of "TDSers" (for ANYONE who dares disagree with Dear Leader) from your side?

Your side can insult and condescend but, by God (Trump), it can't go the other way? Can you discuss policy, positions, and political philosophy beyond what Trump tells you?

Wrong again. See my previous post and below. But you probably should not be the one opining on others "condescension".
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Trump is the leader of the conservative side of the aisle. I don't care if you call it MAGA, America First, Patriotism, Nationalism, Populism, Trumplican... whatever. Labels are *****


What is "TDS" other than a label (and condescension)?

Do you think trillion dollar + deficits are "conservative"? I can't tell since you can't/won't answer in your own words what you think conservatism is...

I'll leave you and the Trump cohorts to the last words as I am sure I am on the brink of a ban. But I will ask again to all of you who support Trump/Gallrein to list, in your own words, what you think the principles of conservatism are (not a link to someone else's website).

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1:57p, 5/17/26
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Yall are pumping a Massie who is friends with some of the worst and being endorsed by the most non-republican and liberal sources. But complaining about funds to Gallrein?


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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 2:00p, 5/17/26
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Ellis Wyatt said:
Massie is just another fake conservative.

Trump has governed more conservatively than any president since Reagan. That is both an indictment of the Republican Party and a commendation for Trump, since he is personally not that conservative.

That Deschutes, along with Iran and other far leftists, is rooting for Massie, tells you all you need to know about Massie. I hope he gets destroyed in his primary. He's a fraud and a failure.

Do you still believe Massie voted against the SAVE Act? Do you still believe Trump wouldn't sign any other bills until the SAVE Act was passed? Do you believe a $2T deficit is conservative?
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 2:01p, 5/17/26
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flown-the-coop said:
DeepETX_Aggie said:
And why is that? Let's see if you can make it sound bad

As a Republican Party member who takes their assistance and money, he shows he is incapable of supporting the party over himself if he feels he can drive clicks and donations by siding with the Dems.

This has been discussed AT LENGTH. You seem to have missed it more are trying to derail with some bizarre "gotchya".

Will be great to see a better representative for the people of eastern Kentucky and for the R agenda being led by Trump.
"Better representative for the people of Kentucky" sure lmao
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2:02p, 5/17/26
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Yall seem to have a big problem with Jewish money. Strange

Why is that such a slam dunk? Is there something wrong with those people?
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:05p, 5/17/26
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TAMUallen said:
Yall are pumping a Massie who is friends with some of the worst and being endorsed by the most non-republican and liberal sources. But complaining about funds to Gallrein?




Ro Khanna is a paid actor. They all are. He would act like the most conservative politician in history if that was the role he was chosen for in the play. It's all a charade to keep us distracted so the government can keep growing and stealing from the average American on both sides. Team Blue and Team Red aren't real it's a One Act Play.

Vote and support for whoever looks like they're going to end the charade. Today that appears to be Massie. The day it isn't, never listen to him again either and "support" the next guy. Anything else is patting your master on the back.
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FWTXAg said:
TAMUallen said:
Yall are pumping a Massie who is friends with some of the worst and being endorsed by the most non-republican and liberal sources. But complaining about funds to Gallrein?




Ro Khanna is a paid actor. They all are. He would act like the most conservative politician in history if that was the role he was chosen for in the play. It's all a charade to keep us distracted so the government can keep growing and stealing from the average American on both sides. Team Blue and Team Red aren't real it's a One Act Play.

Vote and support for whoever looks like they're going to end the charade. Today that appears to be Massie. The day it isn't, never listen to him again either and "support" the next guy. Anything else is patting your master on the back.


Well... they're friends...

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/khanna-massie-war/

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/02/24/congress/state-of-the-union-massie-khanna-00796258
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:17p, 5/17/26
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TAMUallen said:
FWTXAg said:
TAMUallen said:
Yall are pumping a Massie who is friends with some of the worst and being endorsed by the most non-republican and liberal sources. But complaining about funds to Gallrein?




Ro Khanna is a paid actor. They all are. He would act like the most conservative politician in history if that was the role he was chosen for in the play. It's all a charade to keep us distracted so the government can keep growing and stealing from the average American on both sides. Team Blue and Team Red aren't real it's a One Act Play.

Vote and support for whoever looks like they're going to end the charade. Today that appears to be Massie. The day it isn't, never listen to him again either and "support" the next guy. Anything else is patting your master on the back.


Well... they're friends...

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/khanna-massie-war/

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/02/24/congress/state-of-the-union-massie-khanna-00796258



Wait… What…

Oh…. they're all friends.
Including Trump, Obama, Bernie, AOC, Mike Johnson, and on down the line.

That's kind of what I just said.

That's insanityyyyy.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:22p, 5/17/26
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TAMUallen said:
Yall seem to have a big problem with Jewish money. Strange

Why is that such a slam dunk? Is there something wrong with those people?

Jewish money, Christian money, Muslim money, who cares.

Do you think that it is good principally, that big money donors who live outside the district this election is for and in many cases, outside of the state are going to dictate the outcome of the election?
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Zachary Klement said:
TAMUallen said:
Yall seem to have a big problem with Jewish money. Strange

Why is that such a slam dunk? Is there something wrong with those people?

Jewish money, Christian money, Muslim money, who cares.

Do you think that it is good principally, that big money donors who live outside the district this election is for and in many cases, outside of the state are going to dictate the outcome of the election?


Look back a ways, the problem has been with it being Jewish. The cleaned up version is how you're turning it.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 2:32p, 5/17/26
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PaulsBunions said:
nortex97 said:
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Caucus politics is about advancing the agenda of the party in control. That means compromise because not everyone gets everything they want.

Massie made himself more trouble than he's worth notwithstanding the fact that he brings much to the table for purposes of debate.

But he voted against the OBBB when there were only a couple of votes to spare. Not everyone liked everything, but thE OBBB was the policy and funding vehicle for Trump's entire agenda.

But Massie -- in his mind -- was more important than the agenda, and more important than everyone else.

When Trump had enough and put a target on him, Massie went "all-in" with his stupid Epstein ploy.

He forced a discharge petition on his own caucus when 212 member had refused to sign it. Leadership begged him to stop.

But he conned three idiots into joining him and 214 Democrats to vote against the Caucus and the White House.

He caused his own problems.

He should go run for Mayor or Gov. He can be an executive where he gets to make the decisions - and live with the consequences.

Ship's right, as he usually is.


Hilarious how only MAGA considers the Epstein Transparency Act a stupid endeavor now after all that yapping on the campaign trail. Massie and MAGA were aligned on the issue until Trump decided it would be too embarrassing for his friends like Howard Lutnick. All Trump had to do was endorse the release and he wouldn't be the one wearing the stink of the cover up. Should have been an easy win but he fumbled the issue.

Trump used the Epstein files the same way he used the "Lock Her Up" crap with Hillary.

I think he assumed that, just like when he dropped the Hillary crap, the MAGA crowd wouldn't have a problem when he dropped the Epstein files. He miscalculated because he didn't realize the DEMOCRATS would then take up the issue.

And Massie (combined with a small group of right wing people) was right there to support the Democrats...
You can turn off signatures, btw
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:35p, 5/17/26
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TAMUallen said:
Zachary Klement said:
TAMUallen said:
Yall seem to have a big problem with Jewish money. Strange

Why is that such a slam dunk? Is there something wrong with those people?

Jewish money, Christian money, Muslim money, who cares.

Do you think that it is good principally, that big money donors who live outside the district this election is for and in many cases, outside of the state are going to dictate the outcome of the election?


Look back a ways, the problem has been with it being Jewish. The cleaned up version is how you're turning it.

Yeah, I see what other posters have said.

That is not what I am asking, though. Generally, do you think it is good that people outside of a given district can effectively buy an election?
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Zachary Klement said:
TAMUallen said:
Zachary Klement said:
TAMUallen said:
Yall seem to have a big problem with Jewish money. Strange

Why is that such a slam dunk? Is there something wrong with those people?

Jewish money, Christian money, Muslim money, who cares.

Do you think that it is good principally, that big money donors who live outside the district this election is for and in many cases, outside of the state are going to dictate the outcome of the election?


Look back a ways, the problem has been with it being Jewish. The cleaned up version is how you're turning it.

Yeah, I see what other posters have said.

That is not what I am asking, though. Generally, do you think it is good that people outside of a given district can effectively buy an election?


Very complicated question. Overall and at the basis of it, no I am not a fan of outside money. However, to leave out the power and money typically associated with an incumbent it then gets much more hazy and difficult to define what's fair, good, bought, paid for etc since the campaign of the incumbent is already a very dirty trail of political deals and money (broadly speaking). Basically, I cant give you a good solution or answer on how to fix the problem. BUT, calling it out and coming after the candidate now because of Jewish outsider money is a very low way that many seem to be using instead of ever taking actions needed to fix campaign money BEFORE THE PRIMARY
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In reply to DeepETX_Aggie • 3:29p, 5/17/26
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DeepETX_Aggie said:
KentK93 said:
Massie in his own words:


Some of his endorsements:







Did you even watch the first video on what Massie said???

Yes.
“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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