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nortex97 said:

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The NYT (Magazine) is 'libertarian?' LOLOL. Thank you.

I've, again, seen this show before.

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Where did i say the NYT is libertarian? I stated that the author of the article that is a guest opinion (not from the NYT editorial team) is the editor of a libertarian magazine, big difference.

Here is a link to the article in question.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/14/opinion/thomas-massie-trump-republicans.html

Do you see the authors name?

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By Katherine Mangu-Ward
Ms. Mangu-Ward is the editor in chief of Reason.

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What is Reason?

Here is the first line of their About section on the website

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Founded in 1968, Reason is the nation's leading libertarian magazine.

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https://reason.com/about/

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Reason? LOL again. Yes, Massie has all the right 'enemies' and friends alike.

Marjorie

I don’t like frauds who betray their voters and the MAGA base. Like you did. That’s why you’re tweeting from a “former” Member of Congress account. Embarrassing.

You’re 52. Time to stop auditioning for The View.

Also, calm down. Aren’t you supposed to be on vacation? https://t.co/C5elWjzsFn

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 14, 2026

One could hold onto 'libertarian' principles and think whatever one wants about lesser souls/ideologies, but Reason Magazine is, and has long been a joke, as with the NYT. Mangu-Ward can frequently be found on leftist propaganda outlets like NPR and MSNBC (now) so I will just not bow down to her principled libertarian perspectives.

Team politics and anyone who believes in them are a joke.

Libertarians have historically lost. True 2%rs

Thomas Massie’s odds of winning the KY-04 Republican primary have rebounded. pic.twitter.com/7UBxrrDpvV

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 14, 2026

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Team politics and anyone who believes in them are a joke.

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All politics involves teams. As much as I detest her to this day, Nancy Pelosi was a ruthlessly effective House speaker/leader precisely because she enforced voting (and message) discipline in her caucus. No one on the GOP/American side of the gavel even comes close, to my mind.

Anyone who doesn't recognize the team nature of politics on a national level imho has a 'limited' understanding of 'the game' imho.

nortex97 said:

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FWTXAg said:

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Team politics and anyone who believes in them are a joke.

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All politics involves teams. As much as I detest her to this day, Nancy Pelosi was a ruthlessly effective House speaker/leader precisely because she enforced voting (and message) discipline in her caucus. No one on the GOP/American side of the gavel even comes close, to my mind.

Anyone who doesn't recognize the team nature of politics on a national level imho has a 'limited' understanding of 'the game' imho.

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She was not ruthleslessly effective for her voters though. She got nothing major done, and we devolved further into corporatocracy and billionares foreign and domestic running our government, just like it has always been with Team Red and Team Blue becuase truth be told, they have the same coach (Billionares)

It's just like with Team Red in power now, nothing of substance ever actually happens. We will get more government, more foreign spending, and more Wars (just ways to keep Lockheed paid and our foreign "allies" and their political kickback schemes intact) no matter who is in office.

Corporate politics are only going to last another 10-15 years. On average, young people don't care about the useless social, foreign, and cultural pollicies that Team Blue and Team Red try to pretend like they're fighting over so that they can continue to steal from us.

Nothing major? Do you recall america reinvests and the whole affordable care act? Census? Impeachments/russiagate? Banking reform? No House speaker in my lifetime accomplished more for her team. Not even close.

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Corporate politics are only going to last another 10-15 years.

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and what about between now and then? Hate team red and team blue all you want, but while you sit high atop your "principals-perch" waiting for the collapse of the two party system, both are in control.

Both teams are going to drive the car into the ditch, but one of them is going to hit that ditch with the accelerator mashed to the floor and the other has a chance to slow down causing less damage. The only thing these purity tests assure is the team in the driver seat is the one accelerating.

Forget 10-15 years, any guess what kind of damage an AOC 8 year presidency with a screaming leftist House/Senate would do? That absolutely can happen while one side takes every inch you give and the other gives inches playing the purity game.

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Both teams are going to drive the car into the ditch, but one of them is going to hit that ditch with the accelerator mashed to the floor and the other has a chance to slow down causing less damage. The only thing these purity tests assure is the team in the driver seat is the one accelerating.

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We're less bad is certainly a heck campaign slogan. The point myself and many others are making is why is MAGA so eager to get rid of a politician who is actually on the decent to good side of the scale? You know, one that is actually reaching for the brake pedal.


Edit I would also refute your last point by stating that by far the two biggest negative impacts to liberty in my lifetime have occurred during a Republican administration, have you considered the damage they have caused?

🚨Governor Ron DeSantis PRAISES Thomas Massie ahead of contentious primary.pic.twitter.com/8pJnQj1rEF

— Chris Nelson 🏝️🇺🇸 (@ReOpenChris) May 13, 2026

Because we can do better.

Massie came at the king, missed, and is now whining that he's being hauled away in chains.

And it's rich for him to complain about this given that he uses his power to silence journalists who are critical of him, up to and including getting them fired.

Stay tuned. Go Gallrein. https://t.co/UOgvggxwDQ

— Matt Forney (@mattforney) May 14, 2026

Thomas Massie is awesome. I hope he defeats this corporate effort to destroy him.

nortex97 said:

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Because we can do better.

Massie came at the king, missed, and is now whining that he's being hauled away in chains.

And it's rich for him to complain about this given that he uses his power to silence journalists who are critical of him, up to and including getting them fired.

Stay tuned. Go Gallrein. https://t.co/UOgvggxwDQ

— Matt Forney (@mattforney) May 14, 2026

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Watch the video he's not lying. Fox obviously won't have him on because he hasn't been positive towards trump

And...why does he need to be on Fox News nationally to communicate with GOP voters in the 4th district in Kentucky for his 7th election?

nortex97 said:

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And...why does he need to be on Fox News nationally to communicate with GOP voters in the 4th district in Kentucky for his 7th election?

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He doesn't have to but he's calling out the bias media network, that won't dare get another opinion that doesn't align with their orders. There no different from CNN.

It's the main reason why I struggle to watch any big news stations nowadays. Turning into propaganda networks for the most part.

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nortex97 said:

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And...why does he need to be on Fox News nationally to communicate with GOP voters in the 4th district in Kentucky for his 7th election?

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He doesn't have to but he's calling out the bias media network, that won't dare get another opinion that doesn't align with their orders. There no different from CNN.

It's the main reason why I struggle to watch any big news stations nowadays. Turning into propaganda networks for the most part.

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Ok. He's still just a US Rep. And nominally/supposedly conservative. But his gripe is with Fox News, not the NYT/CNN etc.

If he has something to say, it's amplified in MSM/leftist media far and wide nationally. His real 'problem' is that said amplification pisses off republicans in his district.

Congrats on defending the deep state! Newsflash, it's on both sides!!

Thomas Massie: “The force of the whole swamp has come down on me.”

“It’s three billionaires.”

“They’re hedge fund managers and gambling magnates.”

“They’re upset that I’ve never voted for foreign aid.”

“Particularly foreign aid to Israel.”

“And they’re upset that I vote… pic.twitter.com/EEaNzUFhAZ

— Holden Culotta (@Holden_Culotta) May 14, 2026

Yes. It's also so bizarre that such lobbyists would be contributing so much money into Kentucky. What interests do the people of Kentucky have in the Middle East? Other than the current price of oil…little.

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It is crazy how Massie voting for the very things this board has championed for the last decade + (fiscal responsibility, no wars, etc.) is now seen as some sort of ultimate betrayal.

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So that's the talking point?

His votes speak for themselves. He's not conservative, no matter what lie he tells you.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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AgDev01 said:

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It is crazy how Massie voting for the very things this board has championed for the last decade + (fiscal responsibility, no wars, etc.) is now seen as some sort of ultimate betrayal.

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So that's the talking point?

His votes speak for themselves. He's not conservative, no matter what lie he tells you.

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What is the definition of conservative?

Going against the SAVE Act makes one not conservative. This is simple.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Going against the SAVE Act makes one not conservative. This is simple.

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Google: "Did Massie vote for the save act."

Do it. And come back here and report back.

Tell us what conservative means.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Going against the SAVE Act makes one not conservative. This is simple.

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Okay. What does this have to do with Massie?

I support Israel (Think it's awesome to have a competent partner with which to go to war with Iran. However, I also like to have other voices in the Republican Party like Massie.

**Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY).**

Campaign finance data from OpenSecrets and TrackAIPAC show he's the only current Republican in Congress with zero donations from AIPAC or affiliated pro-Israel PACs. Most other Republicans have accepted some level of support.

— Grok (@grok) May 14, 2026

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I don't even like him but you know if Trump would have done what he and his admin promised then Massie would be a non issue!

Now all you hear is Trumps admin is the most transparent- no they are not ! Massie forced them to do what they promised then REFUSED to deliver on.

Now it's a smear campaign on the guy even more. You know in Bondi's own words he's a failed politician.

Except he's one of the ONLY REASONS the files that have been released were.

Trumps administration will find out in November when the the base doesn't turn out and it's by their own choosing. It's a sad thing to watch as they screwed over the people that voted for them.

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Trump is only attacking Massie because his Israeli puppet masters tell him to.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Going against the SAVE Act makes one not conservative. This is simple.

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His financial backers and political team allies make it so obvious no one can ignore it any longer, which is why he is so angry now, I guess.

Know the op when you see it. https://t.co/kQjJo73YjH

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) May 15, 2026

It's not about 'different voices' in the GOP, it's a regular, loud mouth who consistently sides with Democrats against American interests, at home and abroad.

US House defeats Iran war powers resolution

🟢 Yes: 212
🔴 No: 213

GOP Yes Votes:
🔴 Thomas Massie (KY)
🔴 Tom Barrett (MI)
🔴 Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)

Democrat No Vote:
🔵 Jared Golden (ME) pic.twitter.com/eia6Ff0xT4

— OSZ (@OpenSourceZone) May 14, 2026

nortex97 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Going against the SAVE Act makes one not conservative. This is simple.

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His financial backers and political team allies make it so obvious no one can ignore it any longer, which is why he is so angry now, I guess.

Know the op when you see it. https://t.co/kQjJo73YjH

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) May 15, 2026

It's not about 'different voices' in the GOP, it's a regular, loud mouth who consistently sides with Democrats against American interests, at home and abroad.

US House defeats Iran war powers resolution

🟢 Yes: 212
🔴 No: 213

GOP Yes Votes:
🔴 Thomas Massie (KY)
🔴 Tom Barrett (MI)
🔴 Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)

Democrat No Vote:
🔵 Jared Golden (ME) pic.twitter.com/eia6Ff0xT4

— OSZ (@OpenSourceZone) May 14, 2026

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Being upset that Massie voted against going to a pointless war with Iran, something that Trump explicitly campaigned against doing, is pretty rich.

I am old enough to remember when Trump told us that electing Kamala would get us a war with Iran.

Oh I'm not upset, nor surprised in the least. He's made his career siding against Republicans/with democrats at key opportunities/whenever his vote matters. In fact, I'm unaware of his authoring a single bill that was passed into law.

There is still a 'pointless' bloody war going on, but we aren't financing it any longer.

The only qualification Thomas Massie's cult-like supporters can ever name is that he "opposes foreign funding."

Foreign funding accounts for a measly 1% of annual federal spending.

So Massie torpedoes landmark conservative policies... the kind the right has fought for over… pic.twitter.com/xhcWeDurwN

— Apple Lamps (@lamps_apple) May 15, 2026

More leftist support;

.@AnaKasparian says that Thomas Massie losing would be a slap in the face to all Americans:

"What this communicates to us is that our elections and so-called democracy isn't real... A lobby that is far more concerned with a foreign country has more power than ordinary… pic.twitter.com/tUXRqt01Df

— The Megyn Kelly Show (@MegynKellyShow) May 15, 2026

We need less NYT republicans.

nortex97 said:

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Oh I'm not upset, nor surprised in the least. He's made his career siding against Republicans/with democrats at key opportunities/whenever his vote matters. In fact, I'm unaware of his authoring a single bill that was passed into law.

There is still a 'pointless' bloody war going on, but we aren't financing it any longer.

The only qualification Thomas Massie's cult-like supporters can ever name is that he "opposes foreign funding."

Foreign funding accounts for a measly 1% of annual federal spending.

So Massie torpedoes landmark conservative policies... the kind the right has fought for over… pic.twitter.com/xhcWeDurwN

— Apple Lamps (@lamps_apple) May 15, 2026

More leftist support;

.@AnaKasparian says that Thomas Massie losing would be a slap in the face to all Americans:

"What this communicates to us is that our elections and so-called democracy isn't real... A lobby that is far more concerned with a foreign country has more power than ordinary… pic.twitter.com/tUXRqt01Df

— The Megyn Kelly Show (@MegynKellyShow) May 15, 2026

We need less NYT republicans.

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That measly 1%.

I asked Grok just now how much annual foreign aid we give. $50-$80 billion per year estimated.

I then asked Grok how much it would cost to offer free public university education to every American college student in America. You guessed it, $50-$80 billion…

nortex97 said:

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Oh I'm not upset, nor surprised in the least. He's made his career siding against Republicans/with democrats at key opportunities/whenever his vote matters. In fact, I'm unaware of his authoring a single bill that was passed into law.

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There the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which seems to be his cardinal sin to MAGA.

Also, It seems strange to post a tweet criticizing him for opposing foreign aid. I seem to recall that being very popular around here a year or two back. Never thought i would see the day where Lindsay Graham becomes a MAGA hero while someone who opposes foreign wars, opposes foreign aid, and wants fiscal responsibility is some how the bad guy.

AgDev01 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Oh I'm not upset, nor surprised in the least. He's made his career siding against Republicans/with democrats at key opportunities/whenever his vote matters. In fact, I'm unaware of his authoring a single bill that was passed into law.

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There the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which seems to be his cardinal sin to MAGA.

Also, It seems strange to post a tweet criticizing him for opposing foreign aid. I seem to recall that being very popular around here a year or two back. Never thought i would see the day where Lindsay Graham becomes a MAGA hero while someone who opposes foreign wars, opposes foreign aid, and wants fiscal responsibility is some how the bad guy.

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The Epstein Files act was Ro Khanna's, Massie just filed the discharge petition for it. No one really cares about it but Democrats, who deny that Trump was the one who called the police/law enforcement about Epstein and had nothing to do with the trafficking/prostitution, unlike many others including of course prominent Democrats. Trump administration has worked to make sure the files are declassified and found, doing much more than peepaw but that is another red herring issue/conspiracy the left loves that Massie supports loudly.

Massie accomplished nothing to cut foreign aid; this is what Trump/Rubio did finally. The point he was using was to raise it loudly but do nothing about it, functionally for years, while sabotaging other real conservative legislation/issues.

The bottom line is that he is finally going to lose, imho, and we can just agree to disagree and see what he does once he's out of office. I predict Democrats will discard their love for him once he is no longer useful, just as they did with McCain, who would be depicted in their propaganda (Time) as a literal blood thirsty ghoul once he became the opponent to Obama.

🚨MASSIE IS TANKING HARD IN KY-4 — AND THE SWAMP IS PANICKING!

Latest Quantus Insights poll (May 11-12) just dropped a nuke: Trump-backed Navy SEAL Ed Gallrein is SMOKING the 14-year DC careerist Thomas Massie 48.3% to 43.1%, with undecideds breaking 2-to-1 for Gallrein.…

— Alan Jacoby (@AlanJacoby) May 15, 2026

Polymarket couldn't disagree more with Alan Jacoby.

https://polymarket.com/event/ky-04-republican-primary-winner

The guy that wants the US government to give all students free liberal indoctrination at public universities supports Thomas Massie.

Massie is a useful idiot for libs and a sad martyr for the libertarians.

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The guy that wants the US government to give all students free liberal indoctrination at public universities supports Thomas Massie.

Massie is a useful idiot for libs and a sad martyr for the libertarians.

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So you'd rather pay big $$$ to send your kids to a public university and get indoctrinated?

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flown-the-coop said:

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The guy that wants the US government to give all students free liberal indoctrination at public universities supports Thomas Massie.

Massie is a useful idiot for libs and a sad martyr for the libertarians.

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So you'd rather pay big $$$ to send your kids to a public university and get indoctrinated?

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If I am spending my money the teaching will be to my liking. Period.

And my son receives his indoctrination from his father and he has learnt well.

I am curious as to why you think public universities should be free but you didn't mention a thing about free training in the trades. Just a personal dislike of Mike Rowe?