******* Official Cowboys Off-Season Thread 2025 *******

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Macarthur
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I love this deal. I think a lot of Pickens *****ly personality might be due to having garbage at QB for all his career, so far.

Dak is a great leader and CD is the alpha. Pickens knows he is #2 and in a contract year. I think this is a great move.
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My thought too. Great player who makes you better, but there's nothing cheap about this. If we don't sign him right away then he can walk in the offseason. The real cost is a 3rd and a nice contract.

Football wise it's a fantastic trade. Team building and cap management not so much
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I'm not a fan of Pickens the person at all and think this is absolutely a one year rental and he'll be gone this time next year.

One thing to keep in mind though is that if he does actually ball out and gets a mega contract in free agency from someone else, the Cowboys likely have a 4th or 5th round comp pick headed their way which certainly mitigates some of the "risk" in wasting a third rounder.
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ramblin_ag02 said:

My thought too. Great player who makes you better, but there's nothing cheap about this. If we don't sign him right away then he can walk in the offseason. The real cost is a 3rd and a nice contract.

Football wise it's a fantastic trade. Team building anf cap management not do much


The average NFL career of a third round pick is 2.6 years. The majority don't even survive their rookie contracts. Only about 8% make even a single pro bowl in their careers.

Fans, and many NFL franchises, overvalue draft picks significantly. Any pick after the mid-second round is, statistically, almost nothing in comparison to even an average established NFL starter.
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If he walks in the offseason for a big contract, wouldn't we get a 4th rounder back? So if that happens, we essentially traded a 3rd for a 4th and a 6th. No big deal.
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Correct. So we need to relax about the 3rd we gave up. As infection mentioned, we as fans and front offices are way too attached to picks. NFL careers are short, and the % of 3rd flame outs is probably super high. So what you gave up a third and he turns out it be POS and you let him walk.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

ramblin_ag02 said:

My thought too. Great player who makes you better, but there's nothing cheap about this. If we don't sign him right away then he can walk in the offseason. The real cost is a 3rd and a nice contract.

Football wise it's a fantastic trade. Team building anf cap management not do much


The average NFL career of a third round pick is 2.6 years. The majority don't even survive their rookie contracts. Only about 8% make even a single pro bowl in their careers.

Fans, and many NFL franchises, overvalue draft picks significantly. Any pick after the mid-second round is, statistically, almost nothing in comparison to even an average established NFL starter.
Except that even average NFL starters cost a lot of money, and there's a salary cap. So you can't afford to fill up your team with proven guys. The 3rd round is when teams still hit on NFL starters a big chunk of the time. The drop off on % of starters from 3 to 4 is huge. Any starter on a rookie contract is pure gold, even if they aren't Pro Bowl players. A third rounder still has a pretty good chance of that.
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I like this a lot actually. Pickens opens up the short and intermediate stuff for Lamb so much - they will actually complement each other well. He is a great deep threat and contested down field catcher. He should make the passing game much better.

On the 3rd round pick front - I immediately saw this as a rental, hoping he balls out and another team signs him in FA to a Tee Higgins-like contract. That would net a 3rd round comp. pick, which is fine for a rental player. Or, a savvy move could be to extend him before the season while his stock is the lowest and you can get him at a discount and lock him in for 4-5 years. That isn't something the Cowboys would be known to do though...
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ramblin_ag02 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

ramblin_ag02 said:

My thought too. Great player who makes you better, but there's nothing cheap about this. If we don't sign him right away then he can walk in the offseason. The real cost is a 3rd and a nice contract.

Football wise it's a fantastic trade. Team building anf cap management not do much


The average NFL career of a third round pick is 2.6 years. The majority don't even survive their rookie contracts. Only about 8% make even a single pro bowl in their careers.

Fans, and many NFL franchises, overvalue draft picks significantly. Any pick after the mid-second round is, statistically, almost nothing in comparison to even an average established NFL starter.
Except that even average NFL starters cost a lot of money, and there's a salary cap. So you can't afford to fill up your team with proven guys. The 3rd round is when teams still hit on NFL starters a big chunk of the time. The drop off on % of starters from 3 to 4 is huge. Any starter on a rookie contract is pure gold, even if they aren't Pro Bowl players. A third rounder still has a pretty good chance of that.


I mean, the average NFL team only had 6 starters on their rookie contracts at any one time. You can afford to trade picks for established guys here and there. The cap continues to grow disproportionately to player contracts. Every year it becomes less of a burden.
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I think it's worth the risk. Rookie wr's tend to have a long learning curve. FA wr's usually have warts and established quality wr's cost a fortune in picks and salary because teams don't just let those guys go easy. This is a swing at what could be a big impact guy at a reasonable price where you get a year to evaluate. It goes bust, you get some draft capital back. It goes boom, you found a quality young wr that you can extend for the long haul
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And lots of wr's are divas. That just comes with the meal
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RIP Mingo. What a fun experiment
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Just this discussion alone with references to his attitude is somewhat cautionary.

Tons of talent but there's a reason Pittsburg doesn't want him.

Perhaps he'll fare better in Dallas, but it does smack of Jerry trying to get that splash deal.

Hopefully he'll settle down and contribute.
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He's still very much going to be a part of this team. He'll be competing for WR3 with Tolbert. Also going to play special team.
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Southlake said:

Just this discussion alone with references to his attitude is somewhat cautionary.

Tons of talent but there's a reason Pittsburg doesn't want him.

Perhaps he'll fare better in Dallas, but it does smack of Jerry trying to get that splash deal.

Hopefully he'll settle down and contribute.


Steelers are resetting to have the number one pick next year with tha draft in Pittsburgh. They aren't done trading assets.
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ramblin_ag02 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

ramblin_ag02 said:

My thought too. Great player who makes you better, but there's nothing cheap about this. If we don't sign him right away then he can walk in the offseason. The real cost is a 3rd and a nice contract.

Football wise it's a fantastic trade. Team building anf cap management not do much


The average NFL career of a third round pick is 2.6 years. The majority don't even survive their rookie contracts. Only about 8% make even a single pro bowl in their careers.

Fans, and many NFL franchises, overvalue draft picks significantly. Any pick after the mid-second round is, statistically, almost nothing in comparison to even an average established NFL starter.
Except that even average NFL starters cost a lot of money, and there's a salary cap. So you can't afford to fill up your team with proven guys. The 3rd round is when teams still hit on NFL starters a big chunk of the time. The drop off on % of starters from 3 to 4 is huge. Any starter on a rookie contract is pure gold, even if they aren't Pro Bowl players. A third rounder still has a pretty good chance of that.


A third rounder, particularly at the skill positions; statistically does not have a good chance of that. Metric ton of data available on that.
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Well... considering where we were before the draft, I'd say this is about the best case scenario for 2025.

We have a legit #2 WR and don't have to worry about rookie growing pains which is common for WRs.

We have mostly solidified the O-line, added a much needed starting caliber CB, and picked up another highly thought of pass rusher.

I still wish we could have scored a starting RB in the 2nd (I think they liked Henderson but he was gone), but we'll see how it goes with a RB by committee. But at least we got a guy with some real 'take it to the house' juice which we lacked last year.
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Why didn't the Cowboys wait and get Gabe Davis!!!! /Txhuntr
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Panama Red said:



Why didn't the Cowboys wait and get Gabe Davis!!!! /Txhuntr


The Jeremy Lin of wide receivers.
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Someone asked on Twitter who has the best WR group in the east. I think everyone immediately thinks of Philly but by the end of the year, I think it could be Dallas.

CD is better than AJ. I think smith is better than Pickens but I also think we haven't seen Pickens ceiling due to poor QB play.

And if Mingo takes a step forward, Dallas could have an outstanding WR room. Add J Blue into that mix and this offense has gotten much better.
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Great risk to take, a dynamic athlete at a position of need with an incentive to play well.

Lamb has got to be thrilled that teams will no longer triple team him
texagbeliever
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I wonder how much this will help dak with his pre read of a defense. Pribably much harder to disguise cover scheme with 2 legit WR threats.
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Is he healthy? Why doesn't Mike want him? TO-ish?
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He has been a diva, mostly caused by atrocious QB play imo, and they traded for DK Metcalf and don't see him as a need anymore. Plus they weren't going to resign him so you might as well get some capital.
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Dak has what he needs now... it's once again all on him and the coach to make it work.

Assuming Booker is as good as advertised, giving Dak a dominant interior is huge. Dak can deal with the occasional outside pressure if our OTs aren't the best in the business... where Dak has really struggled and makes his worst decisions is when the pocket collapses right in his face.

This offense might really be something if Ferguson also gets his mojo back. Or heck, even Schoon showed us good things last year... if he continues to get better and better like Dalton Schultz did a few years ago we're in business.
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Hope it works out for y'all. Trade works well for both sides. Pittsburgh was never going to pay him, so needed to get something for him while they could.

Another asset to stack for the big push for a QB in next year's draft for my Steelers. They better not **** that one up.
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This is why I love coach-speak.

Schotty: "We are looking at only high character individuals.."

Cowboys: Trade for Pickens
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This is why I love coach-speak.

Schotty: "We are looking at only high character individuals.."

Cowboys: Trade for Pickens
Not sure I would blame the coach. The Cowboys love to ignore their head coach when it comes to player acquisition. Garrett wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy, Taco Charlton, or the DE Gregory yet Jerry & Stephen got them anyway.
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EastSideAg2002 said:

This is why I love coach-speak.

Schotty: "We are looking at only high character individuals.."

Cowboys: Trade for Pickens
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I'm with Stephen A Smith and his rant on this.
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

EastSideAg2002 said:

This is why I love coach-speak.

Schotty: "We are looking at only high character individuals.."

Cowboys: Trade for Pickens
Not sure I would blame the coach. The Cowboys love to ignore their head coach when it comes to player acquisition. Garrett wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy, Taco Charlton, or the DE Gregory yet Jerry & Stephen got them anyway.
Yeah, look how that turned out. Take a deeper look at Pickens. Dude is kinda wacko.
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Southlake said:

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

EastSideAg2002 said:

This is why I love coach-speak.

Schotty: "We are looking at only high character individuals.."

Cowboys: Trade for Pickens
Not sure I would blame the coach. The Cowboys love to ignore their head coach when it comes to player acquisition. Garrett wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy, Taco Charlton, or the DE Gregory yet Jerry & Stephen got them anyway.
Yeah, look how that turned out. Take a deeper look at Pickens. Dude is kinda wacko.


Worth a shot in my opinion.
Goldie Wilson
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Would you two just kiss already
Daveintx
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Now that he's been cut, any interest in throwing Clowney on the D-line?
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Daveintx said:

Now that he's been cut, any interest in throwing Clowney on the D-line?


Not sure where he fits. As much as I liked the 2nd round pick, he's a rotation piece because we have an abundance of DE and pass rushers right now..

Too bad Clowny isn't a good 1 Tech DT... I'd be all over that.
 
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