And what percentage of those 750 do you actually think died of COVID?Quinn said:
While I agree that we need to open up because the financial damage has been huge, it's nonsensical to say that nobody is dying. 750+ confirmed deaths are reported per day because of COVID.
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So people who are higher risk ... that after 3 months of "raised awareness", leave the house anyway (maybe without a mask) .... and then end up getting covid/in the hospital...it's not THEIR fault at all, it's these damn non mask wearers !?
Leave the house or don't leave the house
Go to bars and restaurants, or don't
Its even more simple than "just wear a mask!!!"
It's impossible to 100% isolate at risk individuals. We still don't know a lot of things for certain, but it seems like masks are helpful for preventing the spread of Covid, especially from pre-symptomatic/asymptotic people. To me, there's no reasonable explanation why the vast majority of people shouldn't wear one. It's so easy to just wear one. I doubt this is going to convince you to wear one so I'm not sure why I'm typing this out.
agcrock2005 said:And what percentage of those 750 do you actually think died of COVID?Quinn said:
While I agree that we need to open up because the financial damage has been huge, it's nonsensical to say that nobody is dying. 750+ confirmed deaths are reported per day because of COVID.
Considering that US daily death totals have been higher than normal, I'm going to say most. We're likely undercounting deaths due to Covid. Like I said, though, this isn't going to change your mind.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html
You should probably stay home
You should probably learn about empathy.
Man we haven't had an ITL/OTL argument on a while.
While Clay is a gigantic tool, living ITL sure beats the track home and Chili's filled suburbia hell in which you currently reside.
While Clay is a gigantic tool, living ITL sure beats the track home and Chili's filled suburbia hell in which you currently reside.
This little conspiracy theory is getting old. If a mask was made of tinfoil would you wear it?agcrock2005 said:And what percentage of those 750 do you actually think died of COVID?Quinn said:
While I agree that we need to open up because the financial damage has been huge, it's nonsensical to say that nobody is dying. 750+ confirmed deaths are reported per day because of COVID.
Why in the hell would I wear foil on my face?? That doesn't make sense.gomerschlep said:This little conspiracy theory is getting old. If a mask was made of tinfoil would you wear it?agcrock2005 said:And what percentage of those 750 do you actually think died of COVID?Quinn said:
While I agree that we need to open up because the financial damage has been huge, it's nonsensical to say that nobody is dying. 750+ confirmed deaths are reported per day because of COVID.
Can't you just be happy that the experiment worked and most Americans will joyfully give away all their freedoms and money for the greater good because government says they should? Believe what you want but I've been a cancer patient for 14 years and have a very close relationship with my doctors/nurses and have talked with a lot of them throughout this. At first they were very worried but recently talked with them and they have said that the vast majority of "deaths" (>90%) were people that were going to die within the next 3 months of something else.
PS: Fauci (AKA: God) was telling us that masks weren't necessary in March.
I think that's one of the most damning things in the whole mask issue.
You have WHO/CDC and other experts both touting and dismissing mask wearing since January/February. Experts say wear masks and other experts say they don't help.
There's no real consistency in the message. Anywhere.
Personally, I think they're worth wearing. Several Asian countries seem to have mitigated the spread very effectively and they don't have as good a healthcare system as us and they have dense populations. Doesn't seem anecdotal.
It's a mess.
You have WHO/CDC and other experts both touting and dismissing mask wearing since January/February. Experts say wear masks and other experts say they don't help.
There's no real consistency in the message. Anywhere.
Personally, I think they're worth wearing. Several Asian countries seem to have mitigated the spread very effectively and they don't have as good a healthcare system as us and they have dense populations. Doesn't seem anecdotal.
It's a mess.
When going out to get groceries, gym, etc lately I wear a mask and you can see from my history I think this thing is less severe than the flu.
I do it out of respect for others.
That said, I have noticed that older people are more inclined not to wear masks, thus I take mine off when I see that. Been to the grocery store and gym many times where I had my mask on entering and in my pocket leaving Bc the people I'm trying to respect give zero f's.
I do it out of respect for others.
That said, I have noticed that older people are more inclined not to wear masks, thus I take mine off when I see that. Been to the grocery store and gym many times where I had my mask on entering and in my pocket leaving Bc the people I'm trying to respect give zero f's.
If the everyone wear masks-faction truly wants buy in from as many people as possible - but in a way that's actually sustainable for a year+ :
The focus would be on places that "high risk" people can't fully avoid (grocery store, convenience store, cvs, planes, etc)
But once it becomes "also-wear a mask the entire time your in a restaurant or bar except when your eating or drinking!"- that's when you lose people.
Anyone setting foot in a bar or restaurant, in theory, shouldn't be doing so if they're higher risk, and is deciding as a consenting adult to take whatever risk does exist.
Some of you can disagree with that all you want - but it's the reality. We'll see what ol Clay puts out today but if he truly cares about saving lives he will focus efforts on "essential businesses" Vs. "businesses you shouldn't go into to begin with if your high risk"
The focus would be on places that "high risk" people can't fully avoid (grocery store, convenience store, cvs, planes, etc)
But once it becomes "also-wear a mask the entire time your in a restaurant or bar except when your eating or drinking!"- that's when you lose people.
Anyone setting foot in a bar or restaurant, in theory, shouldn't be doing so if they're higher risk, and is deciding as a consenting adult to take whatever risk does exist.
Some of you can disagree with that all you want - but it's the reality. We'll see what ol Clay puts out today but if he truly cares about saving lives he will focus efforts on "essential businesses" Vs. "businesses you shouldn't go into to begin with if your high risk"
It's simple for me.
Folks wearing masks increases the likelihood of college football this year. All of the media folk are REALLY EXCITED to see cases spiking in Texas and Florida. They will absolutely want to cancel sports - especially with all of the headlines of athletes testing positive (completely ok, self-isolating, mind you) each day.
If everyone wore a mask when out, based on the country evidence mentioned above, it would likely make enough difference to see sports again.
But here we are. Everything is political.
Folks wearing masks increases the likelihood of college football this year. All of the media folk are REALLY EXCITED to see cases spiking in Texas and Florida. They will absolutely want to cancel sports - especially with all of the headlines of athletes testing positive (completely ok, self-isolating, mind you) each day.
If everyone wore a mask when out, based on the country evidence mentioned above, it would likely make enough difference to see sports again.
But here we are. Everything is political.
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Everything is political.
Boy it's SO weird how we're back to focusing on masks and how bad things are, apparently, in Texas and Florida....that news cycle on New York and massive protests that were encourage by the media and medical professionals didn't have the staying power I expected.
Anyway, wear a mask...but either way we're still 398,000 deaths away from where Clay Jenkins projected we would be.
Anyway, wear a mask...but either way we're still 398,000 deaths away from where Clay Jenkins projected we would be.
Asian countries have been wearing a mask in public for decades. That culture has been doing it for a long time. I remember a few here in this country wearing them wondering what they were doing, on the way to a surgery or what.Hood said:
I think that's one of the most damning things in the whole mask issue.
You have WHO/CDC and other experts both touting and dismissing mask wearing since January/February. Experts say wear masks and other experts say they don't help.
There's no real consistency in the message. Anywhere.
Personally, I think they're worth wearing. Several Asian countries seem to have mitigated the spread very effectively and they don't have as good a healthcare system as us and they have dense populations. Doesn't seem anecdotal.
It's a mess.
Just as a courtesy to everyone else, it wouldn't the worst thing if people with colds or other mildly contageous viruses just did that in general.
Like frequent hand washing, if Americans used better hygiene and masks more frequently, we could greatly decrease the fatality rate of the seasonal flu. Maybe that will be an outcome on the back-end of all of this.
Like frequent hand washing, if Americans used better hygiene and masks more frequently, we could greatly decrease the fatality rate of the seasonal flu. Maybe that will be an outcome on the back-end of all of this.
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I wish a company would develop a mask that is actually comfortable to wear and breathe in.
Or if any of you have suggestions. We have to wear ours for days we are on site at work, I haven't had any luck so far.
Or if any of you have suggestions. We have to wear ours for days we are on site at work, I haven't had any luck so far.
TexasAggie008 said:
If the everyone wear masks-faction truly wants buy in from as many people as possible - but in a way that's actually sustainable for a year+ :
The focus would be on places that "high risk" people can't fully avoid (grocery store, convenience store, cvs, planes, etc)
But once it becomes "also-wear a mask the entire time your in a restaurant or bar except when your eating or drinking!"- that's when you lose people.
Anyone setting foot in a bar or restaurant, in theory, shouldn't be doing so if they're higher risk, and is deciding as a consenting adult to take whatever risk does exist.
Some of you can disagree with that all you want - but it's the reality. We'll see what ol Clay puts out today but if he truly cares about saving lives he will focus efforts on "essential businesses" Vs. "businesses you shouldn't go into to begin with if your high risk"
This is accurate. I am looking forward to the day that COVID-19 case counts aren't breathlessly reported on the news, because frankly they are inconsequential. If you are under the age of 50 years old the IFR for this disease is a fraction of one percent, completely negligible. Almost half of all COVID-19 deaths are coming from nursing homes and other long term care facilities. Lockdowns were a mistake in hindsight. The true IFR was smaller than originally estimated, which is a good thing. Instead of celebrating that fact, single minded people like Clay are going to "stick to the science" until the very end.
Well...f***
jeffdjohnson said:TexasAggie008 said:
If the everyone wear masks-faction truly wants buy in from as many people as possible - but in a way that's actually sustainable for a year+ :
The focus would be on places that "high risk" people can't fully avoid (grocery store, convenience store, cvs, planes, etc)
But once it becomes "also-wear a mask the entire time your in a restaurant or bar except when your eating or drinking!"- that's when you lose people.
Anyone setting foot in a bar or restaurant, in theory, shouldn't be doing so if they're higher risk, and is deciding as a consenting adult to take whatever risk does exist.
Some of you can disagree with that all you want - but it's the reality. We'll see what ol Clay puts out today but if he truly cares about saving lives he will focus efforts on "essential businesses" Vs. "businesses you shouldn't go into to begin with if your high risk"
This is accurate. I am looking forward to the day that COVID-19 case counts aren't breathlessly reported on the news, because frankly they are inconsequential. If you are under the age of 50 years old the IFR for this disease is a fraction of one percent, completely negligible. Almost half of all COVID-19 deaths are coming from nursing homes and other long term care facilities. Lockdowns were a mistake in hindsight. The true IFR was smaller than originally estimated, which is a good thing. Instead of celebrating that fact, single minded people like Clay are going to "stick to the science" until the very end.
It's complete fear mongering and it sucks. My wife is now getting afraid again after she finally got comfortable with leaving the house.
If she cancels our road trip in a couple of weeks (which is probably as low risk as you can get in this environment) I may have to upgrade models.
https://urbanpolicyresearch.org/covid19/county-data-dashboard
North Texas specific dash, including 14 day trends, hospital info, testing, all rolled into one. Very neatly done.
Yes, we're spiking. But we are far from "out of control".
North Texas specific dash, including 14 day trends, hospital info, testing, all rolled into one. Very neatly done.
Yes, we're spiking. But we are far from "out of control".
PatAg said:
I wish a company would develop a mask that is actually comfortable to wear and breathe in.
Or if any of you have suggestions. We have to wear ours for days we are on site at work, I haven't had any luck so far.
Go to luminora. I can work out in it.
Rule #1 yo.
If you don't mind me asking, where in Florida? We're headed to Destin tomorrow for all next week.
This.
It has been a while but when this first started, we had news on 24/7 and when not watching news wife was talking to her mom or reading Facebook about COVID. It was stressful. About a month in we agreed to leave the TV off and its amazing how much more relaxed we are in general...even compared to pre-COVID. We check in on news for abotu 30 min to 1 hour each day but that is all. Just can't keep up with the constant "BREAKING NEWS"
It has been a while but when this first started, we had news on 24/7 and when not watching news wife was talking to her mom or reading Facebook about COVID. It was stressful. About a month in we agreed to leave the TV off and its amazing how much more relaxed we are in general...even compared to pre-COVID. We check in on news for abotu 30 min to 1 hour each day but that is all. Just can't keep up with the constant "BREAKING NEWS"
All people now required to wear masks on premises at a business or face a fine in Dallas County.
Welp, back to working out at home again.
Article doesn't say how restaurants are impacted. Just a blanket statement that all businesses must comply.
Welp, back to working out at home again.
Article doesn't say how restaurants are impacted. Just a blanket statement that all businesses must comply.
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