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In reply to TexasAggie008 • 7:15a, 6/20/20
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Now for primary bar/restaurant areas and areas where their patrons generally live

The problem is (and I'm guessing/speculating some here) that guess where the hourly workers at these restaurants and bars live? Probably a lot from S. Dallas, OC, and more affordable zip codes. Sure some probably live near where they work, but 204, 214, 205, and 206 aren't cheap, even for renters.
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In reply to dave94 • 7:21a, 6/20/20
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dave94 said:
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Impossible situation? Not quite, he could at the very least let us tax paying citizens know where the local hot spots are, and at most not bankrupt hospitals by driving fear of overcrowding..


If you're looking for hotspots there have been several restaurants that have shut down because of employees testing positive. I've of heard some in Addison, Deep Ellum and Plano.


One or two employees testing positive is hardly a hotspot.
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In reply to [removed post] • 7:43a, 6/20/20
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I don't get how these people get into these political positions and never learned how to present ideas in a way that is palatable.

Instead of a mandate, present the reasons for wanting people to wear masks.
On top of that, don't imply you are dumb for not wearing one and are going to get sick. Which is what initially happened. The masks we all have access to won't do anything to prevent you catching it.

Stress that it is to prevent unknowingly spreading the disease. Being considerate of others in your community. People are much more likely to respond to that concept.
Then don't try to represent this as a killer disease, which they did initially. It does spread very easily, and we have no resistance to this transmission.

My favorite is when they say "if you don't want to wear a mask, then don't go anywhere"
The reverse js just as true a statement, if you don't want to be exposed, don't go anywhere"

So for me, it is not a big deal to wear a mask when I am going anywhere I am in close proximity with others.


Clay is deeply flawed, but he's in an impossible position. There are people on this thread who refuse to wear a mask period in any situation, even though they know that it prevents transmission.


I agree he's in a pickle, but it's because there is no definitive proof that masks work. He's going with the overly conservative approach because he's either scared to death of being blamed for deaths or he's on a power trip.

We don't know that that masks work, so I'm not sure why this keeps getting assumed as true. All kinds of conflicting studies out there along with our own supposed health authorities flip flopping on the topic.
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In reply to DFWTLR • 9:33a, 6/20/20
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And when do we stop doing this? Do businesses just shut their operations every time an employee catches COVID in perpetuity until the end of time?

The thing is primarily spread through close person-to-person contact indoors over a period of 10 minutes or longer. If the employee is no longer there, then the risk is almost zero. Clean some surfaces and move on.
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In reply to Phat32 • 9:36a, 6/20/20
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yukmonkey said:
And when do we stop doing this? Do businesses just shut their operations every time an employee catches COVID in perpetuity until the end of time?

The thing is primarily spread through close person-to-person contact indoors over a period of 10 minutes or longer. If the employee is no longer there, then the risk is almost zero. Clean some surfaces and move on.


We have had COVID positives in our office. They sent everyone within a small radius of that employee home to quarantine for 2 weeks (while still working) and all have to have a negative test before they can return.

The company deep cleaned that specific area and the main common areas, bathrooms etc.

To me pretty minimal interruption and is an attempt to limit the spread.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 9:41a, 6/20/20
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planoaggie123 said:
yukmonkey said:
And when do we stop doing this? Do businesses just shut their operations every time an employee catches COVID in perpetuity until the end of time?

The thing is primarily spread through close person-to-person contact indoors over a period of 10 minutes or longer. If the employee is no longer there, then the risk is almost zero. Clean some surfaces and move on.


We have had COVID positives in our office. They sent everyone within a small radius of that employee home to quarantine for 2 weeks (while still working) and all have to have a negative test before they can return.

The company deep cleaned that specific area and the main common areas, bathrooms etc.

To me pretty minimal interruption and is an attempt to limit the spread.
This is the most appropriate solution.
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In reply to 752bro4 • 11:36a, 6/20/20
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752bro4 said:
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Now for primary bar/restaurant areas and areas where their patrons generally live

The problem is (and I'm guessing/speculating some here) that guess where the hourly workers at these restaurants and bars live? Probably a lot from S. Dallas, OC, and more affordable zip codes. Sure some probably live near where they work, but 204, 214, 205, and 206 aren't cheap, even for renters.


I'd posted this earlier in week, but of total hospitalizations all-time covid timeframe:

-- 5.6% (104) worked in restaurants/ grocery stores - 21 and 36 people, respectively

-- 3.8% (71) retail workers


.....I'm more saying the narrative of this mainly the fault of bars and restaurants is complete horse shi*... but it's easy to blame "rich people" in this political climate so that's what is happening
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 8:41p, 6/20/20
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This is a good way to approach it.

Generally I've seen one positive case in an entire office building trigger multiple full facility deep cleans each time. That's something like $30-40K per. Ridiculous.

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In reply to Phat32 • 10:10p, 6/20/20
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We had a few communication issues but overall I do think we are doing a very good job and by that I mean not overly cautious but smart guidelines that are not overly burdensome on the company or it's workers but keeps people feeling safe.
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10:43a, 6/21/20
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State and Area Case Data











County-level Case Data






Hospitalizations by TSA Region



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11:36p, 6/21/20
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Heard Medical City is out of ICU beds.
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In reply to double aught • 7:24a, 6/22/20
Is that covid or other uses for them. I'm still hearing hospital workers I know having shifts reduced.
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7:26a, 6/22/20
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The more this unfolds, it's clear that we should have either A) never closed in TX or B) done the 2 weeks then back to social distancing etc.

Then now, when it is trending in the wrong direction, you have the option of another closure without everyone losing their minds.

Instead, you burned everyone out when it wasn't bad, and no one will believe you when it is.
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In reply to Phat32 • 9:56a, 6/22/20
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yukmonkey said:
The more this unfolds, it's clear that we should have either A) never closed in TX or B) done the 2 weeks then back to social distancing etc.

Then now, when it is trending in the wrong direction, you have the option of another closure without everyone losing their minds.

Instead, you burned everyone out when it wasn't bad, and no one will believe you when it is.

Probably true, but we needed to buy time for doctors/hospitals to prepare and know what works. That is really really hard to do if the hospitals are in full on panic mode.

So I think the first lockdown had some value, and this is being seen when you look at how uncoupled deaths have become from cases.

There was also some level of trust, that simply was not valid with the general public in controlling their behavior in public places. I think you hoped there would be some reasonable distancing/masking in place and there are still those that are fighting this as if we are coming for their AR-15s, and restaurants are just saying lol, yeah we'll get right on that.

The downshot here is that schools can not really start back up again under this type of case loading, yet there's no push to go back to Phase 1 or whatever where there weren't people sitting in A/C getting enchiladas or going out for nail care.
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In reply to agcrock2005 • 10:06a, 6/22/20
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agcrock2005 said:
double aught said:
Heard Medical City is out of ICU beds.
I heard they weren't.
Well it was a notifications sent out to ambulances to not take patients there is possible, because the ICU was full.
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In reply to double aught • 10:12a, 6/22/20
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double aught said:
agcrock2005 said:
double aught said:
Heard Medical City is out of ICU beds.
I heard they weren't.
Well it was a notifications sent out to ambulances to not take patients there is possible, because the ICU was full.
Cool. I wouldn't have written my smartass comment if you had included that information in your first message.
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In reply to culdeus • 10:15a, 6/22/20
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So I have what is probably a dumb question and this is not directed at you specifically:

Shouldn't we expect hospitals to be "stressed" and at/over capacity during a global pandemic? I understand it's not ideal and is hard on the healthcare system, but aren't overloaded hospitals to be expected for something that is affecting the whole world?
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In reply to ExpressAg11 • 10:18a, 6/22/20
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ExpressAg11 said:
So I have what is probably a dumb question and this is not directed at you specifically:

Shouldn't we expect hospitals to be "stressed" and at/over capacity during a global pandemic? I understand it's not ideal and is hard on the healthcare system, but aren't overloaded hospitals to be expected for something that is affecting the whole world?

It's a matter of degree. The degree to which hospitals would get overloaded, and their capacity for specialized equipment (Vents, etc.) was at question. The need for such special equipment is not normal which is why car makers and others got involved in panic building them, later it seems those aren't needed quite as much as we thought.

If this virus gave everyone the hiccups then you can let hospitals get crushed.
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In reply to culdeus • 10:24a, 6/22/20
Also medications. Takes time to figure out what works and for drug manufacturers to ramp up production and get drugs to the hospitals. Even now docs are recommending at risk people to go to teaching/research hospitals if possible because they're more likely to have access to needed drugs right now than your run of the mill county hospital.

Hospitals being stressed by a disease they understand and have drugs for is one thing. Being stressed and not having the drugs/equipment you need to treat everyone is another.
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In reply to John Francis Donaghy • 10:26a, 6/22/20
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That's the problem with the messaging for this thing. If the initial lockdown was to help the hospitals get prepared, and now they are prepared, Then people shouldn't be as freaked out.

But that's not as politically useful so here we are.
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In reply to John Francis Donaghy • 10:32a, 6/22/20
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I guess that was my question. The initial lockdown was to give hospitals time to prepare. Now we are finally opening back up, and while some treatments have been effective, it seems they are still ill-prepared.

It may be that they were never going to truly be able to prepare for this thing with how little we know about it.
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10:39a, 6/22/20
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I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
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In reply to Phat32 • 10:52a, 6/22/20
yukmonkey said:
That's the problem with the messaging for this thing. If the initial lockdown was to help the hospitals get prepared, and now they are prepared, Then people shouldn't be as freaked out.

Those two statements are not mutually exclusive.

The initial lockdown was to help the hospitals get prepared.

But the hospitals being prepared doesn't mean the virus isn't relevant, nor does it mean the hospitals can't still get overwhelmed.
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In reply to YouBet • 10:54a, 6/22/20
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YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?
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In reply to agcrock2005 • 11:26a, 6/22/20
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agcrock2005 said:
YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?
Part of my annual physical. Not sure what cost is yet....maybe I'm in for a surprise?
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11:36a, 6/22/20
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Many of the large blood banks are giving a free test for a donation.
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In reply to agcrock2005 • 12:16p, 6/22/20
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agcrock2005 said:
YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?

I thought that as well but then CFB players started reporting back. I think we both agree college athletes have been getting out and about far more than those if working fron home, right? So far the team with largest percentage of positive players has been Clemson with ~25% testing positive.

That encompasses team from across the US, so I would think it is safe to say that the assumption of most people having contracted it is false.
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In reply to Robert C. Christian • 12:56p, 6/22/20
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I think if the general public was getting tested (whole families at one time) like football teams are, we'd be seeing around the same positive rate. Or at least a high number of people with antibodies. While the number of tests given daily seems to be going up, there is no telling how many people out there have/had it and will never know.
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12:58p, 6/22/20
I think it would be somewhat similar but a decent step lower. I think the college football player demographic has been one of the least disciplined about the measures that have contained spread. On the whole from the outset, I think it's a group that has been doing a lot more socializing than the average joe
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In reply to YouBet • 1:54p, 6/22/20
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YouBet said:
agcrock2005 said:
YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?
Part of my annual physical. Not sure what cost is yet....maybe I'm in for a surprise?
I know our clinic is charging $170. We don't accept insurance
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In reply to Robert C. Christian • 2:07p, 6/22/20
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Robert C. Christian said:
agcrock2005 said:
YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?

I thought that as well but then CFB players started reporting back. I think we both agree college athletes have been getting out and about far more than those if working fron home, right? So far the team with largest percentage of positive players has been Clemson with ~25% testing positive.

That encompasses team from across the US, so I would think it is safe to say that the assumption of most people having contracted it is false.
I would argue that the reason so many football plays have it is because they're getting tested. If we all were getting tested then I believe that a very significant percentage of the country would be testing positive as well. I'm more interested however in the antibody testing that would show how many people have actually already had it. I think that number would be astronomical.
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In reply to wangus12 • 2:08p, 6/22/20
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wangus12 said:
YouBet said:
agcrock2005 said:
YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?
Part of my annual physical. Not sure what cost is yet....maybe I'm in for a surprise?
I know our clinic is charging $170. We don't accept insurance
Is that because your company just doesn't accept insurance for anything or the insurance companies consider it not essential and won't pay for it? Surprised that test isn't included in all of this free money the government is throwing around.
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"UT Southwestern just reported that their COVID unit is full and they are working to convert more of the hospital to house COVID patients. 50% of COVID patients are under 50 and 30% of critical care patients are under 50. The rate of Hispanic patients is 5-7 times that of other ethnicities, many of whom are frontline workers without proper safety measures in their workplace. Everyone stay vigilant on the masks, handwashing, distancing, etc. Dallas is at the beginning of what is predicted to be a big spike."

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In reply to agcrock2005 • 2:31p, 6/22/20
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We straight up just don't take insurance. You could probably file it with insurance afterwards though, but I'm not sure.
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In reply to agcrock2005 • 3:51p, 6/22/20
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agcrock2005 said:
Robert C. Christian said:
agcrock2005 said:
YouBet said:
I'm getting an anti-body test next Monday so I will get to be a part of the stats. Representin'!
I still think a huge portion of our country (especially those that haven't been couped up in their houses for 3 months) have already had this. I wish we could do a mass antibody test and get on with our lives. Where are you getting one and what's the cost?

I thought that as well but then CFB players started reporting back. I think we both agree college athletes have been getting out and about far more than those if working fron home, right? So far the team with largest percentage of positive players has been Clemson with ~25% testing positive.

That encompasses team from across the US, so I would think it is safe to say that the assumption of most people having contracted it is false.
I would argue that the reason so many football plays have it is because they're getting tested. If we all were getting tested then I believe that a very significant percentage of the country would be testing positive as well. I'm more interested however in the antibody testing that would show how many people have actually already had it. I think that number would be astronomical.

Luckily, the University of Kentucky is doing just that (along with LSU and Arkansas). They found a staggering 6% of returning players tested positive for COVID19 antibodies.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article243710327.html
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