I do think he's kinda overrated because of his defense, but he's still top 3 pf in the league. I would rather have Aldridge
2012 - 2013 Houston Rockets 9th seed and just miss playoffs thread
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To clarify, not saying Love isn't good to great, but he's overrated. He's considered a top 10 player.
Not really. When's the last time a guy was voted to an All-NBA team when playing on team that hasn't had a winning season during his time there?
I agree, but Zach wasn't considered a top 30 player, much less top 10. He still isn't considered that. The Grizzlies overpaid after that great 2011 postseason (made him top 10 in salary), which then really hurts on salary cap flexibility.
I wouldn't want to pay Top 10 money to Kevin Love, especially with the current salary cap. I think he will get top 6 money though.
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You could say the same about a bunch of great players in bad situations.
Not really. When's the last time a guy was voted to an All-NBA team when playing on team that hasn't had a winning season during his time there?
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Yeah... you know who had almost that exact same profile before their current stop? Zach Randolph
I agree, but Zach wasn't considered a top 30 player, much less top 10. He still isn't considered that. The Grizzlies overpaid after that great 2011 postseason (made him top 10 in salary), which then really hurts on salary cap flexibility.
I wouldn't want to pay Top 10 money to Kevin Love, especially with the current salary cap. I think he will get top 6 money though.
I think its time to start 2013-2014 Houston Rockets 1st place western conference thread.
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According to NBA.com/Stats, the Kings were 3.9 points per 100 possessions better with Cousins on the bench, a trend that only increased after the team acquired Patrick Patterson at the trade deadline. With Patterson bringing scoring punch as a backup big man, Sacramento actually outscored opponents by 1.8 points per 100 possessions when Cousins rested, but was outscored by 4.2 points per 100 possessions when he played.
While interesting, you have to think the crappy Kings got down vs the other teams starters and then when the bench for both teams come in, the better team with the lead may play more lax and give up a few points on their lead.
Thomas, evans, salmons, thompson, cousins this year was 1.05 ppp on off, 1.13 ppp on defense.
The same lineup with Chuck Hayes instead of Cousins was 1.17 ppp on off, 0.90 ppp on def.
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The same lineup with Chuck Hayes instead of Cousins was 1.17 ppp on off, 0.90 ppp on def.
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The Cousins debate is done for me. I'd LOVE to have him. But we can't get him. The Kings will try to build with him. We'll see how that goes in the long run.
I want to debate Joshie. He would've been the Rockets 3rd best player THIS season. In fact, none of his past 3 years were as good as Parson's current one. How do you feel about giving your 3rd best player max (or near max) money?
I want to debate Joshie. He would've been the Rockets 3rd best player THIS season. In fact, none of his past 3 years were as good as Parson's current one. How do you feel about giving your 3rd best player max (or near max) money?
1. He won't get max. Probably closer to $12-14mm per.
2. I think he would be a more efficient player with the Rockets once he got indoctrinated with our mathketb all strategy.
3. I think he fits this team like a glove, yet I don't think he makes us a championship team.
2. I think he would be a more efficient player with the Rockets once he got indoctrinated with our mathketb all strategy.
3. I think he fits this team like a glove, yet I don't think he makes us a championship team.
He'll be a practical max player on the Rockets because it will be enough money to prevent us from signing another actual max worthy player. The other parts I can agree with. Still I worry about the high school guys just suddenly losing it and that he's steadily declined for the last 3 years.
I'd MUCH rather have Gasol on an actual max 2 year deal.
I'd MUCH rather have Gasol on an actual max 2 year deal.
True, hopefully the Lakers amnesty him. We might be able to get quite a bargain in the auction process.
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True, hopefully the Lakers amnesty him. We might be able to get quite a bargain in the auction process.
Why would the Lakers amnesty Pau? He will be traded for a major piece or the Lakers will simply allow his contract to expire. There's zero incentive to amnesty him.
I think his salary makes him harder to trade
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I think his salary makes him harder to trade
Salaries have to match in a trade. A $19M expiring contract could have tremendous value to a team looking to rebuild. It certainly does for the Lakers which is why I doubt we see Pau traded unless it's for an elite talent. I think it's 70% that he plays out his contract in LA.
I just can't see the lakers getting long term value from it though. They won't want to take back a long term contract
I don't see the Lakers trading Pau for somebody else's bad contract with more years.
I don't want to focus on Smith, Cousins, Jefferson, Gasol, etc...
I want the big fish. I want Paul and/or Howard at all costs. Give up Amer, Lin, Parsons, and all 3 rookie PFs.
I want the big fish. I want Paul and/or Howard at all costs. Give up Amer, Lin, Parsons, and all 3 rookie PFs.
FYI the Lakers still won't be anywhere near under the cap even if they nesty gasol.
World peace will be it. He will opt in and they will amnesty him. If the rockets want gasol it'll be via trade. Again.
World peace will be it. He will opt in and they will amnesty him. If the rockets want gasol it'll be via trade. Again.
aggie1906, give up Parsons?!?! Have you lost your damn mind?! This both makes me laugh and pisses me off that someone would be fine with Parsons not being a Rocket. I hope he retires in the Red & White.
Chandler is good and GREAT for the price but I think he topped 30 points twice. He's a solid shooter and does everything well but he's a the key peice in landing a major trade. If Paul or Howard aren't signing FA deals then a trade has to happen and he's likely gone.
Josh Smith turns the Rockets from an 8 to a 5 seed who may make round 2.
Josh Smith turns the Rockets from an 8 to a 5 seed who may make round 2.
Respectfully disagree ^^^^
I also disagree. Morey loves him, McHale seems to love him, and the city of Houston loves him. With all this player movement goin on, there has to be some source of consistency, and that's Chandler Parsons
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While I do love me some Parsons, you all honestly to block a major trade for a Howard, Paul, or Aldridge(Not quite up there, but above Smith, Cousins, etc.) type just to keep Chandler?
You have the pieces to trade for a Howard without sacrificing a parsons
Maybe, maybe not.
There can be no trade for Howard
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There can be no trade for Howard
I know this. I was just making a point that we have enough assets for a trade
Parson's first two seasons, size, and frame look like early Scottie Pippen. Though I think if Parsons doesn't take the next step next year, there might not be a step to take. Still his worst case looks like Danny Granger's prime. Definitely worth waiting to see what level he can ascend too.
Pretty much ever other realistic target through free agency is on their career decline.
Pretty much ever other realistic target through free agency is on their career decline.
He improved a lot after his first year and I don't think he will stop improving. I would never give up parsons when we will have a chance to sign at the very least al Jefferson or Josh smith without giving up anything
DH12 intrigued with Houston? Oh how times have changed.
http://m.cbssports.com/s/36896/24?arenaAbbr=all&arenaName=Home&articleId=22270956&teamId=345&leagueId=54&newsType=arena&platform=webapp
http://m.cbssports.com/s/36896/24?arenaAbbr=all&arenaName=Home&articleId=22270956&teamId=345&leagueId=54&newsType=arena&platform=webapp
From that article:
Brings me back to my question whether teams over the cap can trade away players in a sign and trade. I know they can't acquire players.
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Such assets could be moved to a team or teams under the cap to create room or packaged in a possible sign-and-trade with LA -- if the Lakers became convinced that Howard would leave and they'd receive nothing in return
Brings me back to my question whether teams over the cap can trade away players in a sign and trade. I know they can't acquire players.
Not this again. We should call king Charles maybe he will know
This thread has addressed this issue several times already
Hotard, I know and I believe you. I'm simply interested in reading in the rules where it restricts that. The section I quoted before lists the restrictions on acquiring a player via sign and trade, which wouldn't apply to LA in this case.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=dallasmavericks&id=4696052&city=dallas
And there are many other articles that mention a Dwight sign and trade as well. So it's not like it's one guy saying it.
And there are many other articles that mention a Dwight sign and trade as well. So it's not like it's one guy saying it.
Posted on a Lakers' board:
Lots out there saying they could, only TexAgs saying they can't...
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clutchkobe wrote:
one more thing.....i thought you couldnt do a sign and trade if you are over the cap....so can dwight be signed and traded? maybe he cant.
You can't receive a player via sign and trade if you are over the tax apron (the cap has nothing to do with it), which is 4 million above the tax threshold. You can, however, sign and trade your own free agents to another team, provided of course the player agrees, the other team isn't over the apron, and you don't take back a S&T player (or more than 125% plus 100k of the salary you send out).
BTW, if you receive a sign and trade player, you essentially hard cap yourself to 4 million over the luxury tax. Doesn't apply to LA but still an interesting factoid...
Lots out there saying they could, only TexAgs saying they can't...
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