****Western Conference Finals - Spurs vs. Thunder****

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Pahdz
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Is he getting fouled? Many of the ones I've seen him take in the paint have been wide the F open

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Gee look, everyone is incredibly biased towards their own team. Shocker.



Seriously, we're wasting everyone's time.
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Is he getting fouled? Many of the ones I've seen him take in the paint have been wide the F open



Do you really think Parker could take 20 shots in the paint in two games where OKC is swarming the paint and not get fouled on a single one?

OKC isn't exactly the most disciplined team ever. Their opponents shot the 6th most FTs all year, but the Spurs starters+Manu can't buy their way to the line in the last two games.

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Any Spurs fan that has a 2 year memory knew this kind of crap was coming and we called it out.



Ding Ding Ding.

****ing Thunder getting their home court bullsh

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To me that is quite a bit different than complaining about the refs in every single game of the year you play like Rockets fans. The Spurs are getting railroaded when they play OKC and not other teams so it's just hard to swallow.


Rockets fans whine all the time. Well....so do we but that's different.
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Westbrook is JR Smith with the benefit of officiating being in his favor. Oh, and every now and then he tries to play point guard.
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Obi Wan Ginobili
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notice ibaka's shock when they called a foul on him. did they not teach him in goaltending school that you can't hit people in the face when they go to the basket?
Pahdz
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So what I've gathered from this thread is this:

- Spurs fans will never admit OKC is a good team (notice I didn't say better than the Spurs)
- Russell Westbrook is just a junk player who is lifted up by bad officiating in his favor

Got it. Officials sucking aside, this is the most arrogant fanbase in the NBA.

The one thing I will say about Westbrook is his game is not set up for a long term career, as he gets old and less explosive, I expect him to fade quick like Francis and Marbury did.
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So what I've gathered from this thread is this:

- Spurs fans will never admit OKC is a good team (notice I didn't say better than the Spurs)
- Russell Westbrook is just a junk player who is lifted up by bad officiating in his favor

Got it. Officials sucking aside, this is the most arrogant fanbase in the NBA.

The one thing I will say about Westbrook is his game is not set up for a long term career, as he gets old and less explosive, I expect him to fade quick like Francis and Marbury did.

Blue star, but I could see him hold up.
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I love how all the "arrogant" spurs fans are the ones using measurable data and stats to support their points, while the non-arrogant fans are running on pure emotion to support theirs.

The majority of non-Spurs fans think it is fair that Westbrook and Durant get every little foul while Parker and Manu barely get a whistle. Forget the facts that Manu and Parker have all the skins on the wall as champions so they know a thing or two about playoff success and the necesity to be aggresive and get in the lane. Y'all think it is fair that in Game 4 Durant and Westbrook shot about as many free throws as the big three have all series. I am sure you are right about us being the the arrogant and delusional ones though, that are just asking for an equitably called ballgame.
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Westbrook is a top 5 player in terms of how good he could be and how high his peaks are, but over time he is surprisingly inefficient given his talents. That's not conjecture, it's a simple fact. His effective FG% is bad; in fact, it is worse than JR Smith's (as long as we are bringing up JR "The Analogy" Smith).

OKC is a very, very good team. You're being overly sensitive. Yes, fans tend to talk about what weaknesses they need to exploit and what frustrations they have during a series, and they talk about these things from the perspective of how their team can win.

Right now, there are a bunch of Spurs fans frustrated at the number of calls OKC gets. This is not new, you know and have said yourself that drawing fouls is an explicit part of your team's strategy. That is frustrating to a fan base whose team strives to avoid situations where there is even an opportunity for a foul call. However, we all know that OKC is an exceptionally good team when Ibaka is back there on defense and especially when one or both of Westbrook are hitting contested jumpers.
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Every post against the Spurs or Spurs' fans makes mAg's dong sprout an inch.
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To get back to actual basketball talk...

First adjustment Pop needs to make is start Boris Diaw. He can draw Ibaka away from the basket and create more spacing and we can run the offense through him. It hurts our defense, but our normally stout starters have been getting torched the last two games anyways, and Boris is respectable on D. Moving Tiago to the secon unit allows him to run pick and roll with Manu, where they're both very good and it gives the second unit a better rebounding presence and rim protector.

I also think Corey Joseph has earned some minutes. I'm not ready to give up on Mills, because Patty is capable of going off from the 3 point line at any time, but if he's not hitting then Cojo needs to get the backup PG minutes. Patty is tenacious and gives a ton of effort, but the big guards of OKC are abusing him on D. Cojo is a pretty good on ball defender and is bigger and more able to handle Westbrook and Jackson. On the offensive end, he's not amazing, but every time he's been in the game, whether it be in garbage time against scrubs or last night against OKC's starters, he's been aggressive and attacked the paint fearlessly.

The biggest thing San Antonio needs to do is take care of the ball. OKC overplayed passing lanes all over the place last night, and we played right into it. Back cuts are supposed to be a staple of motion offenses, but there wasn't any last night. These turnovers also led directly to OKC getting out in transition and getting easy buckets. If we stop committing so many dumb turnovers, we can get back and force the thunder to play in the half court.
Pahdz
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I get it, I'm posting as the lone OKC fan on what is essentially a Spurs message board, so I should understand that. I respect the Spurs organization as it's the model that all mid market teams strive for.

I thought this from Grantland today was funny:

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In other words, right now, the Spurs are playing chess and the Thunder are playing PlayStation.


It pretty much sums up the entire series. The chess, when it's working, is beautiful and tough to crack (games 1 and 2). The playstation, even without the help officials if you can admit it, sometimes gets the best of you when it's on.
Ulrich
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First adjustment Pop needs to make is start Boris Diaw. He can draw Ibaka away from the basket and create more spacing and we can run the offense through him. It hurts our defense, but our normally stout starters have been getting torched the last two games anyways, and Boris is respectable on D. Moving Tiago to the secon unit allows him to run pick and roll with Manu, where they're both very good and it gives the second unit a better rebounding presence and rim protector.

Agree, but get ready... I was thinking that maybe Bonner should get a few minutes when Ibaka is in. He is a good enough defender that none of the Thunder post players will abuse him too badly for 3-6 minutes at a time and you have to respect him more than Diaw at the three point line. Diaw has been passing up a lot of threes lately.

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I also think Corey Joseph has earned some minutes. I'm not ready to give up on Mills, because Patty is capable of going off from the 3 point line at any time, but if he's not hitting then Cojo needs to get the backup PG minutes. Patty is tenacious and gives a ton of effort, but the big guards of OKC are abusing him on D. Cojo is a pretty good on ball defender and is bigger and more able to handle Westbrook and Jackson. On the offensive end, he's not amazing, but every time he's been in the game, whether it be in garbage time against scrubs or last night against OKC's starters, he's been aggressive and attacked the paint fearlessly.

I've been something of a CoJo hater, but he has played fairly well this playoffs in garbage time. Westbrook abused him, but he has shown some versatility on offense. I think that is at least partly because the Thunder don't respect him at all (although maybe Ibaka does a little now!), but Mills hasn't sniffed the paint this series. At least Joseph will drive.

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The biggest thing San Antonio needs to do is take care of the ball. OKC overplayed passing lanes all over the place last night, and we played right into it. Back cuts are supposed to be a staple of motion offenses, but there wasn't any last night. These turnovers also led directly to OKC getting out in transition and getting easy buckets. If we stop committing so many dumb turnovers, we can get back and force the thunder to play in the half court.

Yes. The Spurs got sloppy with the ball, and it was mostly TP and Manu. Protect it a little better and those reach around steal attempts turn into open shots for the Spurs instead of fast break dunks for OKC. I think the Spurs a) forgot how fast Westbrook is, and b) didn't fix it because they assumed he wouldn't keep trying it.
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I was going to suggest that we could probably rely on Diaw's outside shooting more at home but he is surprisingly a much better shooter on the road, although his shooting struggles were a significant contributor to the Spurs offensive struggles in games 3 and 4. Maybe Bonner for 8-10 minutes isn't so crazy after all.
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Every post against the Spurs or Spurs' fans makes mAg's dong sprout an inch.

I bet you like that, don't you?
West Texan
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Bonner really isn't a terrible option given the circumstances of the way OKC plays. Only thing I worry about is his rebounding, which was better for the last 2 and a half quarters last game, but OKC still crashes the boards hard.
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Parker should be getting to the line just as much as Westbrook. When that happens, this series has been officiated fairly.
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Every post against the Spurs or Spurs' fans makes mAg's dong sprout an inch.

I bet you like that, don't you?


I didn't say anything. Just an observation.
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Easy to say that when your team is getting the benefit of all the calls, Padz.


Seriously? What a joke this post is.

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- Spurs fans will never admit OKC is a good team (notice I didn't say better than the Spurs)


Just now realizing this? According to spurs fans, every championship '99 and on should be theirs. They will never admit the other team beating them was actually better than them.

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Duncan has looked timid with Ibaka in the game. Not going to the basket hard at all. Nobody is getting a call the way he is driving to basket.

Tony is not getting fouled as much as you guys want to believe that he is. Westbrook is really quick. Like supernaturally quick. Can Spurs fans at least admit that? As much as refereeing has a role in the games, this series hasn't come down to that yet. I'm sure Pop will be the first person to tell you that. Spurs energy wasn't there until the bench went in yesterday (btw if you haven't seen Bonner's YouTube videos with the rappers, check it out! Hilarious stuff) Will be interested to see how the spurs will come out tomorrow.
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I think Duncan's been going to the basket as hard as he can. He's just old. Playing throug him doesn't make much since when Ibaka or perk are in the game. Not great matchups at his age. Now Chris bosh is a different story.
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I was speaking to the fact that people were bringing up that Duncan is not getting enough free throws.

Bosh said in this interviewhttp://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80301094/said in this interview that he prefers to not be in the post. Duncan would destroy that match up! But that's a discussion for a future thread hopefully for the sake of Spurs fans.

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I was speaking to the fact that people were bringing up that Duncan is not getting enough free throws.

Duncan hasn't been driving hard, but there have been a number of times that he tried to post up and Perkins wrapped him up and/or Ibaka landed on top of him coming over to help. Perkins literally had his arm wrapped around Duncan's throat at one point yesterday. No call. Next possession, Duncan posted up and Perkins fouled him then Ibaka landed on top of him. Again, no call. Ball dribbled out, OKC got a fast break.
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I agree there were a couple of calls missed on Duncan, but also calls missed on Diaw. Diaw sets a lot of illegal screens that should be called (they are similar to ones that Perkins illegally sets).

I am unbiased in this series.. I dont care for either team (I like Durant and I like Pop) but the ref slander is over the top in this series (not pointing at all the spurs fans, I understand your complaints. Just a lot of them). The Spurs out played the Thunder in games 1 and 2. The Thunder returned the favor. Give the Thunder credit for bouncing back.
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Every post against the Spurs or Spurs' fans makes mAg's dong sprout an inch.

I bet you like that, don't you?




Almost out of the negative!
TheMasterplan
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Splitter fined for flopping.
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Every post against the Spurs or Spurs' fans makes mAg's dong sprout an inch.

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Almost out of the negative!


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We Spurs fans know that our team wasn't the best out there most the years they didn't win the title. But being a Spurs fan, you learn over the years how little separates the NBA champion from a team that was a bounce of the ball away from taking them down. The Spurs have been on both ends of that stick. Luck often plays a huge part.

So when you know your team is this close to getting a title, it kind of sucks to see the other team get an obvious advantage in how the game is called…regardless of whether it's happening intentionally or not.

I don't feel like this happened in the Miami series last year. Miami just played better when they needed to.

But for whatever reason, both 2012 and 2014 against OKC feel the same. The Spurs aren't getting the same calls on their end that Durant and Westbrook are getting. And it's not just this series either. OKC got this advantage against LAC (minus the game where they let Paul get away with on-court rape) and MEM, and against almost everyone they played this season.

That's hard to overcome.

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against almost everyone they played this season.


I can get on board with us getting some favorable calls in the playoffs thus far (although not to the same degree you claim) but can you honestly really make this claim? I'm guessing you don't watch near as much OKC basketball as you do SA. It's a slap in the face to the opposite end of the spectrum greatness that this team provides in contrast to the Spurs greatness.
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Sure, I'll give you that probably 95% of their wins, they don't need any help at all anyway. They're obviously one of the top 3 teams in the NBA the last 3 years. At some point, going to the line as much as they do ends up playing in their favor. ANd when it's in the playoffs, that matters a lot.

Understand that I think OKC needs no help at all from the officials to win this series. They did plenty on their own to convince me that they have what it takes to beat the Spurs.

I'm just saying from the perception of the other side, it seems like there's no chance with the advantage they have in athleticism combined with the advantage of how 3 of the last 4 games have been called.

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On a lot of levels, I can kind of empathize with teams the Spurs used to frustrate with their physicality back in the Bowen days. Dallas and Phoenix come to mind.

But at least with those teams the calls went back and forth from game to game. And it would be obvious by the end of the first quarter which team was getting the preferential treatment that night.

In this series so far, there's been no back and forth. It's been pretty consistently inconsistent.
 
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