****Western Conference Finals - Spurs vs. Thunder****

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fully realizing that it won't last much longer.

At least you understand this

Lol. This comes off as really petty. I bet you're counting the days till Duncan retires, so when the Spurs finally win less than 50 games you can come on here and talk ****.

Sad you can't recognize greatness just because it's on a team you don't root for.

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Actually I posted the video first if you want to argue... Check page 11



Dang, you got me.
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I can sit here and pull up so many quotes from Magnolia from last years playoffs that look like this....

"Enjoy this last run Spurs fans. Because next year the Rockets are taking over the NBA."

Dude is dying that the Spurs have been so great for so long and the Rockets haven't been able to do anything about it.
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As a Dallas Cowboys fan, I fully understand what it's like when your team ain't done crap since the 90s! But I don't go around trolling the Houston Texans boards. Then again, the Texans ain't won crap either... I guess you Houston guys just don't have a lot going on right now. If only Craig Biggio and Hakeem could play forever!
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The Spurs have been at the end of an era for at least 5 years now. The truth is that even if Duncan retires it won't be the end, the key is Pop. All you have to do is look at how the Spurs kept winning this year regardless of who was hurt or just off. The future though is Kawhi Leonard and getting 1 more budding star next to him in the next couple of years before the Big 3 are truly too old (I think Manu is there already).

This series also isn't over by any stretch. The Spurs have to win tonight and take 1 in OKC, then it will be over. The OKC role players will likely play a lot better at home and somehow the Thunder will get even more calls in their building. Still boggled by the stat that SA scored 60 in the paint but only had 17 FT's, those 2 stats simply don't go together.

In the end though this Spurs team just is too deep for OKC.
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the key is Pop


this - pop and buford should already be in the hof...
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But will Pop want to hang it up with Duncan or will he keep coaching the new generation? He is already 65. I have no idea what drives him, he could be a guy that wants to die coaching basketball or he could want to hang it up and go drink wine all over the world. I lean towards him retiring.

Who could possible replace Pop? His coaching tree is decent, but those are some huge shoes to attempt to fill.

I don't even want to think about this right now. I think the big three will play one more season after this one before they hang it up so the end isn't here yet. Of course if they won it all this year, would Duncan want to ride into the sunset like Robinson? That would be a pretty incredible finish to an amazing career.
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Pop has been fairly open with the fact that he is retiring with Duncan.
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Thanks Guitar. I figured he wouldn't stick around. What do you think Manu and Duncan would do if the Spurs won it all? Do you think they would defend their title and go for a repeat or walk away on top?
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I bet they would come back to try to defend it.
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Go up 2-0 and steal 1 on the road!!!!!

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That video is greatness. The Spurs are special. In this year of high turnover, lack of loyalty, and self focused society the Spurs stand out.

They are owned by a combat veteran who was awarded the silver star and multiple bronze stars. Their GM is an Aggie. Pop himself is an air force vet. What is funny is despite a ton of international players I relate to them more as an American and a Texan than any other professional franchise by a huge margin. I feel that I identify with them, almost like I do A&M. No other sports franchise is even close to this level of caring for me.

I love that the players take less money to win. I love that they are loyal to each other and that they focus on the team first. I love how involved they are in the community.

And all of that doesn't even mention what they do on the court. Their ball movement style of play in an isolation league is extremely special to watch. It helps that they have three hall of famers including the best power forward to have ever played the game, but I love that any of about 8 players could be the teams leading scorer any given night. I love that nobodys and role players come into the culture, work hard, buy in and become major contributers.

I agree that once Pop, Duncan, Manu and Parker hang it up, it is going to be dang hard to keep watching the NBA. Leonard gives me hope, that I might be able to hold out a bit longer.


Well said. I appreciate them even more now as a parent of two boys (and, to lesser extent, as coach of several of their various youth sports teams). I had this conversation with a buddy over the weekend where he was falling into the typical trap of not liking the Spurs because of Dallas allegiance and being blinded to what the Spurs are truly about. We have similar values so I pointed out to him all of the ways that the Spurs embody what is good about sport and don't embody what we dislike about pro sports--- basically all of the stuff we try to teach our children as parents and our players as youth sports coaches, but which they don't see a lot of on TV:

Teamwork. Discipline. Self-sacrifice. Respect for opponents. Substance over style. Performance over hype. Hard work. Perseverance. Loyalty. Coachability. Not to mention the fact that they are generally a good group of guys (certainly by NBA standards) and play a beautiful brand of basketball. It's all of the stuff people claim they want out of their "sports heroes" and teams but rarely get.

It's been an incredible run. All that's missing is the Capstone.


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I'd love for them to come back, defend it, get the repeat title, and have 6 total titles in the Pop/Duncan era. How many other franchises have 6 titles, period?? I don't think that will happen though. We haven't beat OKC yet. Even if we win it this year, Manu will be 37 and Duncan 39 next year. Manu has really struggled offensively for the past two years, and only occasionally has a stretch of good games. I'm not sure I would want to come back and try to repeat next year if I were them. On the other hand, we would probably try to return the entire team as it is today, so who knows.
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Their post situation would be fine with Duncan/Splitter/Diaw/Baynes, especially if Baynes can earn some minutes (or keep the minutes he is now getting in the playoffs... sometimes CIA Pop makes these analyses complicated). Pau Gasol has also mentioned wanting to play for the Spurs and being willing to take a pay cut to do so, although I'm not sold on that idea. I don't think we can count on Manu anymore, but at the same time Leonard is starting to blossom into a dangerous player, Green is developing some semblance of an offensive game beyond the spot-up three, and Mills is better than he used to be. This team will still be very good next year if everyone comes back.
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Duncan and Ginobili are both under contract for next year. I bet they both play next year, then retire. Two more titles would rock, though.
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I'm happy with one more. A repeat is probably wishful thinking considering they never did it back in the day. But then again, you could argue this is the best Spurs team ever because they continue to evolve and add in key pieces. But one more would be icing on the cake.

And incredible that it will have been 7 years since the last title. Unbelievable how this team has pressed on year after year. Absolutely incredible!!!
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Only free agents this summer are BoBo, Coach B and Patty. Baynes has a qualifying offer. Let's not play him that much more.
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I'm not down with the nicknames. Who's bobo and who's coach b?
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Bobo is Boris. Coach B is Matty.
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Bobo=Diaw, Coach B=Bonner, Patty Mills

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Coach B:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQc7UpUfqE
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Patty is gonna get paid somewhere.


I'm not particularly worried about Pop finding a spot up shooter somewhere.

And Maybe Patty talks to Gary Neal and realizes it is worth it to take a discount to stay with the Spurs. Neal's contract was 2y/6mm, and I would bet the Spurs pay that for Patty. Not sure he will get offered much more than that elsewhere.
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Patty is gonna get paid somewhere.


I'm not particularly worried about Pop finding a spot up shooter somewhere.

And Maybe Patty talks to Gary Neal and realizes it is worth it to take a discount to stay with the Spurs. Neal's contract was 2y/6mm, and I would bet the Spurs pay that for Patty. Not sure he will get offered much more than that elsewhere.


Unless you think Joseph can be the backup PG it's more than just a spot-up shooter role, though. Backup PG will become increasingly important as Pop tries to lighten Tony's minutes and as Manu becomes increasingly less able to function as the de facto #2 ball handler. I think Patty is the best we've had, and that role is only going to increase in importance. I don't think Joseph is the answer (although he's still developing, so you never know), not for a team that wants to contend.
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There are probably 15 guys ahead of Patty on most team's PG free agent wish list. I don't think he is getting over 4mm/year.

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I agree with Guitar. I think the sum of the Spurs parts are greater than the individuals.

Diaw and Mills are both worth wayy more to the Spurs than almost any other team.

What team desperately needs an undersized scoring point guard that needs to shoot a bunch to have a real impact?

What team needs an undersized stretch four, or overweight three whose main strength is passing?

There are always celler dwellers and GMs that get fired for a reason, but I don't see either one of them making substantially more than the Spurs could offer.

I haven't looked at the Spurs cap room, and obviously a lot will depend on how the season plays out, but I can see them offering Gasol if he asks for a reasonable amount. I doubt it, but perhaps the Spurs would even be willing pay some luxury tax for what would be one final run.
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Tim is already having enough problems in pick and roll defense, so I cringe at the thought of adding Gasol to the mix (defensively, he still makes plays with his passing and shooting). With Splitter and Diaw in the fold and healthy, alongside Tim, I don't see a use for Gasol unless he's only going to play ~15 minutes. Would he be willing to come for that small of a role and could the Spurs afford to pay him for that small of a role? Seems doubtful, but he'd be useful in matchups and as a role player.
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Yeah, I guess the off-season could get interesting. One thing seems pretty apparent right now... If we go into the off-season and don't have the title "world champs" we will have nobody to blame but ourselves.

OKC was the one team that could beat us even if they weren't playing their best... but we got the Ibaka injury gift to take care of that. Miami can obviously beat us too, but they are gonna have to play their best ball of the season and/or hope we are not in top form.
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What kind of contract will Gasol expect? He was a 17/9 guy last year. Doubt he is signing for the MLE.
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If Gasol wants to go to a team that he named as an option earlier in the season(Spurs, Griz or Bulls) then I don't think he will get much more than the MLE. Now if he wants to get paid by a bad team then he can probably get 10-12 Million or so. If I am him I would sign a year or two at 5 million with the Spurs to play for a title. He already got paid in LA and he is moving to Texas from LA so cost of living is much lower for comparable housing.

I agree though that he would have to agree to be a role player. I see him as Duncan's back up. I think we need Splitter's defense in the starting lineup and Splitter gets paid 9 million a year so he needs to play and keep developing for the future.

I can see Duncan and Gasol both getting about two quarters of game time a piece during the regular season and then let Pop go with the best rotation during the playoffs. Perhaps Parker, Ginoboli, Leonard, Gasol and Duncan would be our finishing lineup.

I personally think Gasol would be great in the Spurs offense. Plus I think his D will get better once Pop teaches him the system and the percentage based defense the Spurs play.

Plus a Parker, Gasol, Splitter, Green, and Leonard lineup is not bad at all if Manu and Timmy hang it up after next year.
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Refs tonight:

1.Ken Mauer
2.Ron Garretson
3.Ed Malloy
Brian Earl Spilner
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Great post DTP.
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Gasol is a 20-11-4 per 36 guy who can knock down jumpers, pass, and I think would perform acceptably as the backstop in the Spurs second unit defense. He's not bad at timing blocks and has plenty of height and length. Plus the Spurs don't have any Spaniards.

Again, I'm not a hundred percent sold but if he will come in as a backup for a pretty small contract, I think he would fit in just fine.

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Having another big with length would help us defend against lineups with Griffin and Griffin and Ibaka. How effective is Gasol in the post against guys like Griffin and Ibaka? Tim has been pretty ineffective in the post at times against guys with length, especially as he's gotten older.
 
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