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The difference between WW84 and the other movies you just mentioned is that those movies all range from serviceable to good. None of them were abominations like WW84, so it made sense, on a certain level, to praise them. I'm not saying feminists didn't praise CM simply because it was a female-led movie. I'm saying certain black people didn't praise BP simply because it was a black story. And I'm not saying certain men or certain white people didn't jump on those respective band wagons either, for no other reason than to virtue signal, bow to the blue checkmark brigade, etc. But women championing a decent girl-power movie, and black people championing a pretty good black movie, at least made sense, and was completely understandable.

With WW84, not so much.

That, and your argument makes zero sense because you directly contradict yourself within the same paragraph. You say there are protected groups we aren't allowed to blast (which, on a macro level, I'm not at all debating), but then you immediately dismiss the 35% of critics who are, in fact, currently blasting the movie. And you dismiss that 35% by "hazarding a guess" that we might "eventually" see "some" articles saying the movie isn't as bad we think? Huh??? Again, 35% of critics are CURRENTLY blasting this movie. And yet no one is labeling any of these people as sexists or bigots. I mean, what more blatantly factual evidence do you need to see that you couldn't be more wrong in this particular instance?

Again, I'm not saying there aren't critics who are guilty of what you're accusing them of. Of course there are. I'm simply saying, for THIS movie, in THIS particular instance, the initial batch of critics was guilty of being in the bag for this movie in a different sh*tty way. As usual, I'm arguing nuance, not some defend-Hollywood-at-all-cost position I'm so often accused of here. I'm AGREEING that those critics were doing something sh*tty. But, like most of these arguments, it's not ALWAYS the brand of sh*tty you guys so desperately want them to be.

Finally, don't act all high and mighty here. I wasn't talking to you, nor did I start this discussion. I was simply wondering aloud, and then you had to chime in - over a day later - and make damn sure I and everyone else knew that this was big, bad Hollywood doing its SJW thing. Like clockwork.
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Shocker that the Q follower is sure its all a conspiracy. No thinly veiled racism in the "magic black girls" post.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19-story.html%3f_amp=true

Only racist when the other team uses the term, right?
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Dude. Again. YOU pinged ME. I wasn't talking to you. I wasn't looking to start anything. I was merely wondering something aloud and then responded in kind to your tired, cliched assertation.

Stop acting like Mr. Innocent here and making me out to be some crazy loon. The only hate I have in my heart is for the *amount* of posts per day on this board, in thread after thread after thread, about Hollywood and their SJW agenda. There's a contingent of posters here who constantly turn seemingly EVERY conversation into an anti-Hollywood, anti-SJW screed, and it's simply become soooooooooo tiresome to try and navigate.

We get it.

We know.

I'm not trying to play King of the Entertainment Board, or be a cop, or tell anyone what to think. But good lord you have to see that the constant need from a select few of you to make this point time after time after time is JUST as annoying as you're claiming Hollywood to be, if not more so. It's all some of you talk about on here. And again, it's not the argument itself that I'm pushing against. I AGREE that there are sh*tty, virtue signaling SJWs in every rung of Hollywood. I AGREE that cancel culture has gone too far. My problem isn't with those opinions. My problem is with the incessant, pathological need from a select few here to CONSTANTLY remind us about those things at every turn.

I'm not complaining about you not liking a particular horse. I'm complaining that the horse is dead, yet you and others insist on continuing to beat the sh*t out of it, over and over and over again, every chance you get.
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At this point you're just blatantly ignoring half of what I'm saying, and what, exactly, I've gone out of my way to clarify, so I'm done here.
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The internet fight between TCTTS and third coast.. has told a more compelling story than WW84.
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It's a fun Internet food fight for sure!!

...good thing Battleship is on HBO Max. Of course that still of WW in that bird costume is plastered on the channel every time you log on!
Make Mental Asylums Great Again!
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I got pretty lost in the third coast / TCTTS fight. Can some summarize it?
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I log in to find 53 new posts about this train wreck. Wonder to myself what in the world related to this move can be worth an additional 53 posts.

Let's let it die, or better yet, burn it with fire. And yes, the director should be banned from ever making another movie.
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Claude! said:

The internet fight between TCTTS and third coast.. has told a more compelling story than WW84.

It's also longer.

"Nuh uhhhh"
"I'm gonna tell my mom"
"Go ahead mr. doo doo head"
"No you're a doo doo head"

While that is better than WW84 I lost interest halfway through.
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I have to take one issue with TC's rant. This movie being an "abomination" is not a fact. I know you may be exaggerating your posts for humorous effect, but you seem to be basing your argument on it.

Personally, I was almost offended by how much I hated Captain Marvel. Not the case here.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I have to take one issue with TC's rant. This movie being an "abomination" is not a fact. I know you may be exaggerating your posts for humorous effect, but you seem to be basing your argument on it.

Personally, I was almost offended by how much I hated Captain Marvel. Not the case here.

Are you saying you liked it?

Genuinely curious. I mean I stop short of loathed or abomination which would maybe equate to 3-poor and 2-bad on my scale... but it wasn't good. It's certainly bad in relation to expectations.

On my grading scale I give it a 4.5/10. That's pretty bad but could be worse.


10 awesome (a must see, nearly flawless)
9 great (appeals to most, superior in many ways)
8 very good (appeals to many, qualities well above average)
7 good (general appeal, some very good aspects, worth watching)
6 above average (appeals to some, has some redeeming qualities)
5 average (nothing to separate it from mediocrity, watchable)
4 below average (some detracting qualities, barely watchable)
3 poor (bad in many ways, not worth watching)
2 bad (intolerable, bad in every way, someone should be shot)
1 horrible (indescribably bad, shoot everyone involved)
0 unwatchable (not worth the celluloid it's printed on)

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third coast.. said:

i feel like this scale is worthless without some examples of movies you have put in each category. Have any?



10: Ghostbusters
5: Ghostbusters 2
1: Female Ghostbusters
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Posted my thoughts a few pages back.

Liked more than 1, disappointed by the music and lack of good soundtrack, ranks behind MoS, BvS, Shazam, and Aquaman for me.

I will say Gal Gadot as WW is doing a lot of the heavy lifting for me. She is magnetic, charismatic, and captivating, whereas Brie Larson is the opposite of those things. She is a charisma black hole.
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SLAM said:



The memes about this crap movie have already begun lmao.
My wife and I stopped here last night. I laughed so hard at the other vehicles swerving to avoid running over WW for the sake of two random kids in the road... after using stormtrooper accuracy for the previous 5 minutes while horribly trying to recreate the Raiders of the Lost Ark driving sequence.



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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Posted my thoughts a few pages back.

Liked more than 1, disappointed by the music and lack of good soundtrack, ranks behind MoS, BvS, Shazam, and Aquaman for me.

I will say Gal Gadot as WW is doing a lot of the heavy lifting for me. She is magnetic, charismatic, and captivating, whereas Brie Larson is the opposite of those things. She is a charisma black hole.
I hope you realize if Brie Larson turns up missing the cops are coming to your house first.
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Claude! said:

The internet fight between TCTTS and third coast.. has told a more compelling story than WW84.
The fights seem a lot dumber when I'm not one of the participants.
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c-jags said:

C@LAg said:

TCTTS said:

Now this tweet is starting to make sense...



Zach Snyder wishes he were this dark.


From this article, about the same subject
https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/sorry-to-this-man-who-is-not-chris-pine-in-wonder-woman-1984.html


While I understand the sentiment, no single straight man is going to be raped by Gal Gadot.

Outrage pendulum swings both ways.


Went for a run and thought about the movie. When I got back, my son was watching Jurassic Park III and it reminded me of the straight to DVD comment. It wasn't a bad movie and I'm sure I'll find some of it nostalgic, but it's just such a far cry from the original it leaves a bad taste for what would otherwise be an ok movie.
Yeah but the movie literally beat us over the head of how every man is a pig from hitting on the ladies in the movie to trying to drunkenly assault them. Had to have been 30 times in the movie where we saw this or more.

Then they slip in how the possessed man had "consensual" sex with her...

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just in to say it was very ok. as in, i watched it with my wife and already dont really remember almost anything about it. dull, unimaginative, poor cgi, another movie with people jumping around doing impossible things, had a few sort of interesting moments, a couple of minor political sjw jabs but nothing outrageous or memorable...

i guess this is really about the best hollywood can do now.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

I have to take one issue with TC's rant. This movie being an "abomination" is not a fact. I know you may be exaggerating your posts for humorous effect, but you seem to be basing your argument on it.

Personally, I was almost offended by how much I hated Captain Marvel. Not the case here.

Are you saying you liked it?

Genuinely curious. I mean I stop short of loathed or abomination which would maybe equate to 3-poor and 2-bad on my scale... but it wasn't good. It's certainly bad in relation to expectations.

On my grading scale I give it a 4.5/10. That's pretty bad but could be worse.


10 awesome (a must see, nearly flawless)
9 great (appeals to most, superior in many ways)
8 very good (appeals to many, qualities well above average)
7 good (general appeal, some very good aspects, worth watching)
6 above average (appeals to some, has some redeeming qualities)
5 average (nothing to separate it from mediocrity, watchable)
4 below average (some detracting qualities, barely watchable)
3 poor (bad in many ways, not worth watching)
2 bad (intolerable, bad in every way, someone should be shot)
1 horrible (indescribably bad, shoot everyone involved)
0 unwatchable (not worth the celluloid it's printed on)


This is pretty much how I rank movies. Out of curiosity, I looked at all movies I've ranked in IMDB. Admittedly, not a large sample size as I've only rated 33 (ominous) movies. I just started doing it a couple of years ago.

WW84 is my lowest ranked movie of the list at 3 although I'm considering downgrading it further the more I think about it.

BTW, it's also dropped to 5.7 on IMDB. Continues to fall.
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35% of critics have given this movie a bad review. Let's see if they get "destroyed" or cancelled. I'm betting they don't.
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third coast.. said:

i feel like this scale is worthless without some examples of movies you have put in each category. Have any?


Thousands literally... I have kept a list and tracked every movie I've seen since 2000. And I went back and also rated most 80s and 90s movies in retrospect. And I averaged seeing 50+ movie per year in the theater until about 3 years ago. It dropped to 25-30 per yer then ...and then after 2019 it fell off the map.

But I have still ranked all the 2020 movies I've seen as well - via streaming. I think 1917 was the last movie I saw in a theater in February.


My main point is I don't just rate movies like in the 2.5 to 4 star range that's very limiting. You see IMDB ratings (which are averages of course ) usually from 5.5 to 8.1 a very narrow range. But since I see movies I'm interested in and movies that tend to be reviewed better and skip those that get panned I don't have a lot of examples below 4 but there are a some certainly.

Not sure you want to see all of that so I'll just use one decade list for examples here....the 00s


In all the 00's there were only 13 movies that achieved a 10 for me and 2 were documentaries. So barely more than 1 per year that was a feature film or whatever you might say. I'm sure a few of these have detractors for others (Chicago, the Departed, Passion of the Christ, maybe even Mulholland Dr. but that's just an incredible mind bender I've never spent more time discussing any movie even SW movies) but overallI think I can defend these. 6 of them won best picture (2 for Doc category). Best Picture does not guarantee some high rating for me - there are winners I have given a 6 rating to and several rank as the 3rd-6th best movie of that year for me.

Feature Films:
Mulholland Dr.
Gladiator
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Chicago
The Dark Knight
Inglourious Basterds
The Departed
Lord of the Rings III: Return of the King
The Passion of the Christ
Traffic
Walk The Line

Documentaries:
The Cove
Man On Wire


OK I'm not gonna give you the bad ones for the 00s because looking at them I realize my kids were still young then and it is greatly swayed by bad kids movies and there are a lot of bad kids movies (imho)... instead here are the bad movies for the 10s which are more adult oriented, at least teen or older demographic.

Peanut Butter Falcon 4
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 2.5
Battle of the Sexes 4.5
The Shack 4
The LEGO Batman Movie 3.5
Kingsman: The Golden Circle 2.5
Independence Day: Resurgence 4
Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising 3.5
A Walk in the Woods 4
The Intern 3.5
Pixels 3
Neighbors 4.5
The Other Woman 4
Noah 3
The Big Wedding 4
The Incredible Burt Wonderstone 3
I Am Number Four 4
Arthur 3
Love and Other Drugs 4.5
Clash of the Titans (2010) 4
Knight and Day 3.5


For some in between 9 and 5 I'll give you one movie from 2019 at each rating and a few x.5s.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 9.5
Jojo Rabbit 9
Yesterday 8.5
Ford v Ferrari 8
Spiderman: Far From Home 7
Zombieland: Double Tap 6
Uncut Gems 5.5
Ad Astra 5

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Posted my thoughts a few pages back.

Liked more than 1, disappointed by the music and lack of good soundtrack, ranks behind MoS, BvS, Shazam, and Aquaman for me.

I will say Gal Gadot as WW is doing a lot of the heavy lifting for me. She is magnetic, charismatic, and captivating, whereas Brie Larson is the opposite of those things. She is a charisma black hole.
I agree with most of that just have it lower overall I guess. Captain Marvel was a better movie though (story, even the 80s flashback stuff) but Brie was ..well meh. So we agree there.

If it were not for Gal G. it might be epically bad. She does save it.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Posted my thoughts a few pages back.

Liked more than 1, disappointed by the music and lack of good soundtrack, ranks behind MoS, BvS, Shazam, and Aquaman for me.

I will say Gal Gadot as WW is doing a lot of the heavy lifting for me. She is magnetic, charismatic, and captivating, whereas Brie Larson is the opposite of those things. She is a charisma black hole.
I agree with most of that just have it lower overall I guess. Captain Marvel was a better movie though (story, even the 80s flashback stuff) but Brie was ..well meh. So we agree there.

If it were not for Gal G. it might be epically bad. She does save it.
Yeah, this is where I land too.

She's genuinely good in the role itself, and I don't know many who would argue that Chris Pine isn't ridiculously charismatic. But without their scenes together there's really nothing else memorable or interesting about the film for me (to say nothing of the massive plot and story issues).
 
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