don't think I'm projecting. Her (director) main goal is not a good story, but rather pushing a message about women. This doesn't happen with male superheroes movies (except maybe Blank Panther). yeah, there may be some messages in the MCU movies (Captain marvel), but MCU has made tons of great movies and has a good track record, whereas latest DC movies are all ****-shows except the first WW. Make some good movies with good story, good villains, etc before trying to "send a message"fig96 said:91_Aggie said:Tctts posted something she said about the next 2 stories she had that had a message about women stepping in as women in a loving mannerfig96 said:Did I miss where she said or implied this?91_Aggie said:
She (director) really has no idea why superhero movies are popular and successful (well, the MCU movies).
We do not want a "message", whether it is politcal, or "women power", or whatever. Tell a good story, add humanity, and any "message" should be a by-product of the good story.
If you start with a vision of "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it" then you have already failed.
That is not what someone writing a superhero should be as first thoughts. Story is king. Not making a statement about whatever she said actually means.
You got that from this?Quote:
"The story continues after this in movies that I may or may not direct, but I have two more stories that become the completion of this story, and it's all about women stepping in as women, in the most loving kind pure and natural way," she explained to EW. "And making a difference in the world without having to change who they are to do it."
Story is king, but if you're telling a story that doesn't have some kind of message or theme there's not much point to telling the story. And if you don't think the Marvel films have had lots of different underlying themes to them you haven't been paying attention.
Not to mention what she said has nothing to do with (your words) "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it". She mentioned that she has an underlying theme to the additional stories she wants to tell, which I'd absolutely expect to be the case.
I wasn't a fan of this film, but feels like you're projecting a lot here.
*** WONDER WOMAN 1984 ***
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Apparently a sequel is already being fast tracked lol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/wonder-woman-3-fast-tracked-after-1984-hbo-max-debut-201335204.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/wonder-woman-3-fast-tracked-after-1984-hbo-max-debut-201335204.html
Interesting read with some good ideas on this thread...
TLDR (WW1984 plot spoilers)
Make Diana's wish to have her family in Themiscyra again, Barbara gets caught up in the wish because she wants to be Diana and goes back with her. Steve washes up there as well while we see what a world without Diana is like as Max runs amok.
TLDR (WW1984 plot spoilers)
Make Diana's wish to have her family in Themiscyra again, Barbara gets caught up in the wish because she wants to be Diana and goes back with her. Steve washes up there as well while we see what a world without Diana is like as Max runs amok.
Where anywhere in this are you getting that the main goal is not a good story other than what you're projecting onto what she said?Quote:
don't think I'm projecting. Her (director) main goal is not a good story, but rather pushing a message about women. This doesn't happen with male superheroes movies (except maybe Blank Panther). yeah, there may be some messages in the MCU movies (Captain marvel), but MCU has made tons of great movies and has a good track record, whereas latest DC movies are all ****-shows except the first WW. Make some good movies with good story, good villains, etc before trying to "send a message"
This was not a good movie for many reasons, but an overt message that superceded the story is not one of them.
The Dog Lord said:
Apparently a sequel is already being fast tracked lol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/wonder-woman-3-fast-tracked-after-1984-hbo-max-debut-201335204.html
Perhaps the thought is, "it can ONLY get better" so why not...
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Saw the movie in theaters last week to get out of the house. It was the worst movie I've seen in 2020, and it puts a bow on the year. The monologues, ridiculous morphing characters, and fragmented plot line didn't give this movie or its actors a chance to shine. Would have been the second movie I've ever walked out on had I not been there with company.
Saw this today at the local AMC. This was the 5th movie I have seen in theaters this year, by far a life-long low. My wife and daughter seemed to enjoy it, although I did note a lack of conversation regarding the movie during the drive home, which is something we normally do for a few minutes when we go to the movies. My primary thought about this movie is that it has a serious Temple of Doom problem - a magic rock. FFS.
Things I liked about WW84:
1. The trailer for No Time To Die
2. The olympiad sequence with young Diana at the film's beginning
3. Gal Gadot is beautiful
Things I did not like about WW84:
1. Everything else
Some more thoughts:
The callback to the Superfriends invisible jet was amusing but ultimately the entire fighter jet thing was awful (WWI aircraft had maybe half a dozen controls for a pilot to deal with; I doubt a WWI pilot would know WTF most of the controls in a modern day figher do, let alone any proper sequence for firing up such a jet; then there is the other stuff related to that sequence - why was there a jet fighter fueled up and ready to depart at the Smithsonian? And seriously, that is one hell of a jet fighter to be able to fly all the way from DC to Cairo on the same tank of fuel.
I am pretty sure I saw a camouflaged hummer on the streets of DC near the end of the movie. Is that period-correct? I don't recall those vehicles prior to the first Persian Gulf War in 1991, but will defer to anyone with more direct knowledge.
There's not really much of a 1984 vibe in this movie.
Were they just so very much wanting to avoid any portrayal of Ronald Reagan as President in 1984, or did the Reagan family deny permission to use any of his likeness or mannerisms?
There was barely any Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman in this movie. She is eye candy as Diana Prince, yes, but damn, that Wonder Woman costume on her is so hot.
Hans Zimmer did the score, but honestly I didn't detect much. There was a little of his original WW theme, and I heard some cues that were in BvS toward the end when Wonder Woman was telling people to renounce their wishes.
Things I liked about WW84:
1. The trailer for No Time To Die
2. The olympiad sequence with young Diana at the film's beginning
3. Gal Gadot is beautiful
Things I did not like about WW84:
1. Everything else
Some more thoughts:
The callback to the Superfriends invisible jet was amusing but ultimately the entire fighter jet thing was awful (WWI aircraft had maybe half a dozen controls for a pilot to deal with; I doubt a WWI pilot would know WTF most of the controls in a modern day figher do, let alone any proper sequence for firing up such a jet; then there is the other stuff related to that sequence - why was there a jet fighter fueled up and ready to depart at the Smithsonian? And seriously, that is one hell of a jet fighter to be able to fly all the way from DC to Cairo on the same tank of fuel.
I am pretty sure I saw a camouflaged hummer on the streets of DC near the end of the movie. Is that period-correct? I don't recall those vehicles prior to the first Persian Gulf War in 1991, but will defer to anyone with more direct knowledge.
There's not really much of a 1984 vibe in this movie.
Were they just so very much wanting to avoid any portrayal of Ronald Reagan as President in 1984, or did the Reagan family deny permission to use any of his likeness or mannerisms?
There was barely any Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman in this movie. She is eye candy as Diana Prince, yes, but damn, that Wonder Woman costume on her is so hot.
Hans Zimmer did the score, but honestly I didn't detect much. There was a little of his original WW theme, and I heard some cues that were in BvS toward the end when Wonder Woman was telling people to renounce their wishes.
I'm pretty sure this movie was all fever dream where Diana was visited by the ghosts of christmas, past, present and future and got to see what life would be like without her. That would take care of both the Christmas release date and all of the weird plot holes in movie and when combined with Justice League.
Zombie Jon Snow said:third coast.. said:
i feel like this scale is worthless without some examples of movies you have put in each category. Have any?
Thousands literally... I have kept a list and tracked every movie I've seen since 2000. And I went back and also rated most 80s and 90s movies in retrospect. And I averaged seeing 50+ movie per year in the theater until about 3 years ago. It dropped to 25-30 per yer then ...and then after 2019 it fell off the map.
But I have still ranked all the 2020 movies I've seen as well - via streaming. I think 1917 was the last movie I saw in a theater in February.
My main point is I don't just rate movies like in the 2.5 to 4 star range that's very limiting. You see IMDB ratings (which are averages of course ) usually from 5.5 to 8.1 a very narrow range. But since I see movies I'm interested in and movies that tend to be reviewed better and skip those that get panned I don't have a lot of examples below 4 but there are a some certainly.
Not sure you want to see all of that so I'll just use one decade list for examples here....the 00s
In all the 00's there were only 13 movies that achieved a 10 for me and 2 were documentaries. So barely more than 1 per year that was a feature film or whatever you might say. I'm sure a few of these have detractors for others (Chicago, the Departed, Passion of the Christ, maybe even Mulholland Dr. but that's just an incredible mind bender I've never spent more time discussing any movie even SW movies) but overallI think I can defend these. 6 of them won best picture (2 for Doc category). Best Picture does not guarantee some high rating for me - there are winners I have given a 6 rating to and several rank as the 3rd-6th best movie of that year for me.
Feature Films:
Mulholland Dr.
Gladiator
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Chicago
The Dark Knight
Inglourious Basterds
The Departed
Lord of the Rings III: Return of the King
The Passion of the Christ
Traffic
Walk The Line
Documentaries:
The Cove
Man On Wire
OK I'm not gonna give you the bad ones for the 00s because looking at them I realize my kids were still young then and it is greatly swayed by bad kids movies and there are a lot of bad kids movies (imho)... instead here are the bad movies for the 10s which are more adult oriented, at least teen or older demographic.
Peanut Butter Falcon 4
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 2.5
Battle of the Sexes 4.5
The Shack 4
The LEGO Batman Movie 3.5
Kingsman: The Golden Circle 2.5
Independence Day: Resurgence 4
Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising 3.5
A Walk in the Woods 4
The Intern 3.5
Pixels 3
Neighbors 4.5
The Other Woman 4
Noah 3
The Big Wedding 4
The Incredible Burt Wonderstone 3
I Am Number Four 4
Arthur 3
Love and Other Drugs 4.5
Clash of the Titans (2010) 4
Knight and Day 3.5
For some in between 9 and 5 I'll give you one movie from 2019 at each rating and a few x.5s.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 9.5
Jojo Rabbit 9
Yesterday 8.5
Ford v Ferrari 8
Spiderman: Far From Home 7
Zombieland: Double Tap 6
Uncut Gems 5.5
Ad Astra 5
Rating every single movie like that leans towards being a 7/10 psychopath.
Wow. Okay now it makes sense... we are talking about two different things.fig96 said:Where anywhere in this are you getting that the main goal is not a good story other than what you're projecting onto what she said?Quote:
don't think I'm projecting. Her (director) main goal is not a good story, but rather pushing a message about women. This doesn't happen with male superheroes movies (except maybe Blank Panther). yeah, there may be some messages in the MCU movies (Captain marvel), but MCU has made tons of great movies and has a good track record, whereas latest DC movies are all ****-shows except the first WW. Make some good movies with good story, good villains, etc before trying to "send a message"
This was not a good movie for many reasons, but an overt message that superceded the story is not one of them.
The quote from Patty Jenkins was about her plans for the next 2 WW movies, not this one and that's what I was referencing. Future movies by her!
not this one... this one was a steaming pile of turds.
I think someone else hit the nail on the head... the writers/committee decided "We have to bring Steve Trevor back... how can we do that?"... and some idiot said "magic and wishing" and they ran with that.
Two of my daughters and I watched this at a Cinemark on Saturday and enjoyed the experience.
I did loop in the newest movie in my last comment because it seemed like you were implying it had already been done in this film, otherwise I don't know where you're getting it from.
I still think you're interjecting your own interpretation of something that wasn't ever said. You're the one stating that the message is coming before the story, it's not coming from the quoted statement.
I still think you're interjecting your own interpretation of something that wasn't ever said. You're the one stating that the message is coming before the story, it's not coming from the quoted statement.
fig96 said:
I did loop in the newest movie in my last comment because it seemed like you were implying it had already been done in this film, otherwise I don't know where you're getting it from.
I still think you're interjecting your own interpretation of something that wasn't ever said. You're the one stating that the message is coming before the story, it's not coming from the quoted statement.
Why are you still arguing and trying to be "right"when it is clear you misunderstood what I was commenting on originally? And now trying to tell me what I stated and implied.. you are now debating something you made up entirely to make some point for some strange reason.
My point is still exactly as it started, that you're mad about something that no one ever said, but sure.
I'm not sure why I'm weighing in on this other than I'm fascinated by the interpretation of pattys comments. She directly said the next two movies are women centric, so I don't understand the argument against what she directly said.
She's led with what is considered a hot button cultural/political issue instead of story. And I'm sure she feels enormous pressure to make a statement like that also considering the character and the high profile nature of this franchise even if she would rather not. Regardless, I'm now concerned about her capabilities to pull off Rogue Squadron after having seen this.
I'm holding out hope though!
She's led with what is considered a hot button cultural/political issue instead of story. And I'm sure she feels enormous pressure to make a statement like that also considering the character and the high profile nature of this franchise even if she would rather not. Regardless, I'm now concerned about her capabilities to pull off Rogue Squadron after having seen this.
I'm holding out hope though!
I'm more interested to see which movie - Rogue Squadron or WW3 - gets Jenkins' attention first. A couple weeks ago, Disney announced Rogue Squadron for December 2023. Now, WB is saying WW3 with Jenkins at the helm is a go as well, but there's no way they're going to wait until 2025 for that movie, which is the earliest Jenkins could have it ready, post RS. I'm betting Jenkins ultimately gives up directing duties on WW3, like she alluded to a week or so ago, even though this latest announcement seems to directly contradict that. We shall see...
tv1113 said:
Rating every single movie like that leans towards being a 7/10 psychopath.
7/10??????
I'd bet you're right about giving up WW3, but I hope she gives up Rogue Squadron. I have no faith at all that she'll get it right after seeing WW84.TCTTS said:
I'm more interested to see which movie - Rogue Squadron or WW3 - gets Jenkins' attention first. A couple weeks ago, Disney announced Rogue Squadron for December 2023. Now, WB is saying WW3 with Jenkins at the helm is a go as well, but there's no way they're going to wait until 2025 for that movie, which is the earliest Jenkins could have it ready, post RS. I'm betting Jenkins ultimately gives up directing duties on WW3, like she alluded to a week or so ago, even though this latest announcement seems to directly contradict that. We shall see...
My last comment, but because casually mentioning saying her future stories have a theme doesn't mean it's being prioritized over the story.
She's obviously not going to talk about any plot or story ideas she has at this point, and it's not exactly surprising to have have a female centric theme in films about one of the poster children characters for women's empowerment.
She's obviously not going to talk about any plot or story ideas she has at this point, and it's not exactly surprising to have have a female centric theme in films about one of the poster children characters for women's empowerment.
Man this thread went off rails a while ago!
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Let's get Gal Gadot in an X-WIng flight suit for Rouge Squadron.TCTTS said:
I'm more interested to see which movie - Rogue Squadron or WW3 - gets Jenkins' attention first. A couple weeks ago, Disney announced Rogue Squadron for December 2023. Now, WB is saying WW3 with Jenkins at the helm is a go as well, but there's no way they're going to wait until 2025 for that movie, which is the earliest Jenkins could have it ready, post RS. I'm betting Jenkins ultimately gives up directing duties on WW3, like she alluded to a week or so ago, even though this latest announcement seems to directly contradict that. We shall see...
MuckRaker96 said:Let's get Gal Gadot in an X-WIng flight suit for Rouge Squadron.TCTTS said:
I'm more interested to see which movie - Rogue Squadron or WW3 - gets Jenkins' attention first. A couple weeks ago, Disney announced Rogue Squadron for December 2023. Now, WB is saying WW3 with Jenkins at the helm is a go as well, but there's no way they're going to wait until 2025 for that movie, which is the earliest Jenkins could have it ready, post RS. I'm betting Jenkins ultimately gives up directing duties on WW3, like she alluded to a week or so ago, even though this latest announcement seems to directly contradict that. We shall see...
Given how much Patty Jenkins seems to like using her I would bet on it. Will she be Mirax, Erisi, or maybe a gender change for Tycho or Bror Jace?
Imagine the hottie showdown if Gal joined Star Wars.
There something in the water in Israel?
There something in the water in Israel?
This movie was god awful.
Crap, that was a horrible movie.
TCTTS said:
I'm more interested to see which movie - Rogue Squadron or WW3 - gets Jenkins' attention first. A couple weeks ago, Disney announced Rogue Squadron for December 2023. Now, WB is saying WW3 with Jenkins at the helm is a go as well, but there's no way they're going to wait until 2025 for that movie, which is the earliest Jenkins could have it ready, post RS. I'm betting Jenkins ultimately gives up directing duties on WW3, like she alluded to a week or so ago, even though this latest announcement seems to directly contradict that. We shall see...
Considering that RS video she put out (and it was pretty awesome) and how personal it was to her I can't imagine she wouldn't prioritize RS if forced to choose.
Agreed.
TCTTS said:
Ten minutes into the Steve Trevor resurrection and this is officially some of the most random sh*t I've ever seen in a blockbuster. Steve Trevor just took over another dude's body? So is that guy dead now? Or did he trade places with Steve and go to whatever afterlife situation Trevor was in? What the the hell is going on? They literally went with "Diana wishes on a magic rock for Steve Trevor to live again and he comes back in other dude's body" like some twisted '80s body swap comedy as the plot for Wonder Woman 2???
Not sure how they ended up going this route to bring him back.. Bet they wanted to wish/bring him back easier but Avengers Infinity War ruined that with the snap. Then they reverse engineered it/delayed it to 2020 & ended up with this weird freaky friday scenario.
Also, the ending with the other guy gave me serious Hallmark Christmas vibes. That was gawd awful.
spot on hallmark. truly terrible.
I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if I'm saying the same thing as everyone else.
I will usually watch any superhero flick, and I loved the first WW movie. I had to stop about 20-30 minutes into WW1984. Lame characters, lame CGI, and forced acting. It felt like a made-for-TV movie directed at kids only. I'm sure I'll finish it some day, but that was a major let-down.
I will usually watch any superhero flick, and I loved the first WW movie. I had to stop about 20-30 minutes into WW1984. Lame characters, lame CGI, and forced acting. It felt like a made-for-TV movie directed at kids only. I'm sure I'll finish it some day, but that was a major let-down.
nothird coast.. said:
So will this be a career ender for anyone? Or at least a massive setback?
it will be a hit to Jenkins, but she has made 2 good movies prior to this. If Cleopatra is a stinker though...
Belton Ag said:I'd bet you're right about giving up WW3, but I hope she gives up Rogue Squadron. I have no faith at all that she'll get it right after seeing WW84.TCTTS said:
I'm more interested to see which movie - Rogue Squadron or WW3 - gets Jenkins' attention first. A couple weeks ago, Disney announced Rogue Squadron for December 2023. Now, WB is saying WW3 with Jenkins at the helm is a go as well, but there's no way they're going to wait until 2025 for that movie, which is the earliest Jenkins could have it ready, post RS. I'm betting Jenkins ultimately gives up directing duties on WW3, like she alluded to a week or so ago, even though this latest announcement seems to directly contradict that. We shall see...
After that monologue about gender and directing fighter movies in the trailer, I don't see how she walks that back.
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