*** WONDER WOMAN 1984 ***
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After sleeping on it, I do wish at this point they'd just cancel Flash, Black Adam, Aquaman 2, and Shazam and focus on creating a cohesive world around Pattinson's Batman. ZSJL can be the end of that universe. I don't need constant cameos like Marvel to hold up a movie, but some sense of overall direction would be cool.
WW84 doesn't seem like a sequel or a prequel at all. It's a stand-alone movie that doesn't continue the original and doesn't set up the current times. There doesn't seem to be a plan for Diana's arc, which is very different from, say, Matt Reeves taking his time to make a plan for his Batman movies before filming the first one, or even Zack Snyder's Superman arc from Man of Steel to his version of Justice League.
WW84 doesn't seem like a sequel or a prequel at all. It's a stand-alone movie that doesn't continue the original and doesn't set up the current times. There doesn't seem to be a plan for Diana's arc, which is very different from, say, Matt Reeves taking his time to make a plan for his Batman movies before filming the first one, or even Zack Snyder's Superman arc from Man of Steel to his version of Justice League.
fig96 said:
The more I think about it the more annoyed I am by a variety of narrative choices.
The initial concept maybe could have kinda worked had they limited it and even had a bit of potential to be clever, but there was so much pure randomness about this that as a whole it's like wtf.
After 50 years of doing this the general public is only kind of aware of who WW is? Why is a fully fueled fighter with range to get to Egypt sitting outside the Smithsonian? What happened to Handsome Guy that Steve just popped into and why couldn't he have just shown up? And if Steve was "in" Handsome Guy didn't he have his ID/passport? Why is the secret tv station fully staffed and ready to go live at 30 seconds notice? How were 8 bit CRTs able to display a tv signal? How was the message being broadcast when the camera was knocked out?
I came in expecting to like this from the general critical response but it was just so all over the place. Reading the reviews that like it they seem to focus on being emotionally connected to the film, which is fine and a fair reason to like a movie, but they just gloss over the rather large plot holes and shortcomings as "not flawless" rather than calling it what it is.
I think the early positive reviews were a combination of desperation for something...anything positive and frankly not wanting to be the one to bash a Patty Jenkins movie. All I have to say is I'm embarrassed for those people that said this was a good movie.
I'm going to have little faith in early, industry reviews if this is going to be the way.
Also, when Diana basically says she hasn't found anyone up to Steve's standards to even consider dating in the SIXTY FIVE YEARS since the end of World War I, I started laughing to myself i the theater as memories of Jack Burton talking to Mr. David Lo Pan in Big Trouble in Little China came to mind:
Jack: I'm supposed to buy this ***** 2000 years, he can't find one broad to fit the bill? Come on, Dave, you must be doing something seriously wrong!
Jack: I'm supposed to buy this ***** 2000 years, he can't find one broad to fit the bill? Come on, Dave, you must be doing something seriously wrong!
Anybody worried about Rogue Squadrons now?
Yes. Jenkins didn't write the first Wonder Woman but this one was her baby it seems. Didn't the Lucasfilm people get a chance to look at this?Champ Bailey said:
Anybody worried about Rogue Squadrons now?
Who am I kidding, though. Kathleen Kennedy probably thinks this is a masterpiece.
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Whose body did the new nuclear bombs take over?
Or was the whole "soul roofie rape" thing completely unnecessary?
Or was the whole "soul roofie rape" thing completely unnecessary?
TCTTS said:
The most confusing thing, though, is how this wasn't panned harder by the critics who saw it early. There were a decent number of so-so reactions, among quite a few positives, but this is so historically bad that I'm shocked it took this long for that narrative to take hold. In addition to the reactions here, I've been scrolling Twitter today and Average Joe movie-goer really seems to despise this thing, and rightfully so. So how did we not know it was such a colossal mess going in?
Really??? It's blatantly obvious why critics were scared to give an honest review. It rhymes with schmender.
Wow. I had every intention of this being the first new movie I would see in theaters since Tenet.
After scrolling through this thread, I may just watch this on HBO Max just in case it really is as bad as ya'll are saying.
After scrolling through this thread, I may just watch this on HBO Max just in case it really is as bad as ya'll are saying.
Going to see it today..just have one question. Is there a post-credits scene?
Mid credits that I think sets up something for a next movie while also paying tribute to an iconic DC actress.
It's not necessary, though.
It's not necessary, though.
Black Panther all over again. But much, much worse.
PeekingDuck said:
Black Panther all over again. But much, much worse.
You shut your mouth
Thanks. Dad is going with me and is on lasix, so 2.5 hours is always pushing it for him.
Even if Black Panther wasn't your cup of tea, it was at worst a decent story with incredible production design and great performances.PeekingDuck said:
Black Panther all over again. But much, much worse.
This...was not. (Though I did like the design of the Themyscira sequence.)
My brother wanted to take up the living room tv yesterday with this.
Sounds like I'm glad the rest of the family shot him down.
Sounds like I'm glad the rest of the family shot him down.
C@LAg said:
critical consensus has dropped. now down to 68 on rotten tomatoes.
i get that it is Christmas, but they (critics) were all provided digital versions way before today.
i cannot help but be skeptical that they (RT) held back adding some reviews for a few hours.
other thing is that they have now wasted both of WWs top bad guys in a boring, irrelevant single movie.
Max Lord was a crappy version of the comic character (again, he is exactly like Killgrave/The Purple Man from Jessica Jones)
And the Cheetah arc hadstory beats from the character, it was still a wasted use of what is essentially Wonder Woman's Joker.
I know he is a comic character but it was obvious from his open tv spot that this was a dog at the Trump persona. I laughed hysterically and explained it to my wife.
bad_teammate said on 2/10/21:
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
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I never once thought of Trump.
Wife wanted to watch last night. When we tried them first WW movie we quit after 20 minutes. Should have done the same with this one. We both really enjoyed the beginning, then the rest sucked.
Staff - take out the trash.
So I guess I'm one of the few who found it..... kind of ok? I mean, it's a mess, especially at the beginning, and DC as a whole still hasn't figured out basic story stuff well, but I still see the thematic ideas they were trying to present even if they're not executed particularly well.
I don't know maybe I just had a great Christmas day and that affected me looking at it in a more positive light than most, but I don't quite get the outright hate for this. It's certainly no classic, or even very good, but it's not the disaster People are portraying it as.
I don't know maybe I just had a great Christmas day and that affected me looking at it in a more positive light than most, but I don't quite get the outright hate for this. It's certainly no classic, or even very good, but it's not the disaster People are portraying it as.
Four Seasons Landscaping said:
I never once thought of Trump.
It was the opening lines of his. They mimicked Trumps speech, but then you never heard it again. Were quite a few stories on this several months ago.
Garrelli 5000 said:
Wife wanted to watch last night. When we tried them first WW movie we quit after 20 minutes. Should have done the same with this one. We both really enjoyed the beginning, then the rest sucked.
You quit the first movie but no this one? Are you living in the upside down world?
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Ehhh, I thought it was mocking the get rich quick and televangelist type stuff.
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Ehhh, I thought it was mocking the get rich quick and televangelist type stuff.
Agreed. Just talking about his voice though. Sounded like trump in opening and then they moved away from it.
Don't try to assign logic to what my wife wants. She swatted that argument down in gold medal fashion.YouBet said:Garrelli 5000 said:
Wife wanted to watch last night. When we tried them first WW movie we quit after 20 minutes. Should have done the same with this one. We both really enjoyed the beginning, then the rest sucked.
You quit the first movie but no this one? Are you living in the upside down world?
Staff - take out the trash.
If you were watching tv in the 80s, guys like that were a dime a dozen on local tv. Looked sounded act3d nothing like trump.
So? Yeah, it's good for discussions like this, but if you decide to see/not see a movie based on what someone else says....well, IMO, that's just dumb. See it and judge for yourself.TCTTS said:MuckRaker96 said:
I'll never understand letting someone random person's review influence your level of enjoyment of a movie.
What's the harm in coming to trust certain critics/friends/etc who share similar opinions as our own over time? That doesn't mean we take their opinions as gospel, or can't form opinions on our own. But the best critics are literally experts in their field, are capable of making valid arguments, and can often voice/pinpoint issues that some of us feel but aren't able to express on our own at times. I think it's equally as weird to plug your ears and pretend to watch movies in a vacuum. Just because we're interested in the larger conversation about how a movie is being received publicly doesn't mean we're not able to enjoy what the majority doesn't or vice versa.
So what was her "gold medal" argument?Garrelli 5000 said:Don't try to assign logic to what my wife wants. She swatted that argument down in gold medal fashion.YouBet said:Garrelli 5000 said:
Wife wanted to watch last night. When we tried them first WW movie we quit after 20 minutes. Should have done the same with this one. We both really enjoyed the beginning, then the rest sucked.
You quit the first movie but no this one? Are you living in the upside down world?
GiveEmHellBill said:
Wow. I had every intention of this being the first new movie I would see in theaters since Tenet.
After scrolling through this thread, I may just watch this on HBO Max just in case it really is as bad as ya'll are saying.
Don't even bother watching. It's that bad.
I was gonna watch today...I think I'll rewatch Battleship instead. That was a fun flick!
Make Mental Asylums Great Again!
TCTTS said:Carlo4 said:How do you stream it on TV? Literally just got HBO Max on Sunday... our LG smart TV doesn't have it. Roku doesn't have it. All I heard was mirror it from phone app and haven't figured it out.schmendeler said:
this is one i might have ventured to the theater to see, but as we have HBO Max, it's hard to pass up for "free".
Apple TV 4K. $180. Easily one of the best tech devices/inventions of the past 20 years. For those like myself, who don't own a PlayStation or X-Box, it's a no-brainer. I don't understand why every non-gamer who can afford an Apple TV doesn't own one. There's not an app or platform you can't download on it, there's nothing you can't stream to it, and it all works so simply and intuitively. It's my cable box, my music player, and my streaming device, all in one. I *love* Apple TV...
https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/
The Formula 1 TV app isn't on it. Most people won't notice or care, but I was shocked and outraged after dropping the money on the F1 video pass.
Local TV stations?TCTTS said:
Apple TV 4K. $180. Easily one of the best tech devices/inventions of the past 20 years. For those like myself, who don't own a PlayStation or X-Box, it's a no-brainer. I don't understand why every non-gamer who can afford an Apple TV doesn't own one. There's not an app or platform you can't download on it, there's nothing you can't stream to it, and it all works so simply and intuitively. It's my cable box, my music player, and my streaming device, all in one. I *love* Apple TV...
https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/
I thought it was ok. I was entertained, but quite a bit didn't make sense. And it was really weird how little Wonder Woman cared that her boyfriend had possessed someone else's body. Like, zero cares for that person's friends or family. Just a lighthearted, "We should probably look into that stone."
And the zero other relationships in 65 years after having known chris pine for, what, a month? - yeah right.
And the invisible jet??? That's best left behind in the comics.
And the zero other relationships in 65 years after having known chris pine for, what, a month? - yeah right.
And the invisible jet??? That's best left behind in the comics.
Thanks and gig'em
I had to look up the invisible jet back story because I was laughing my ass off while watching that they pulled something from freaking Superfriends.
Lo and behold, it's actually been around since her origin in the comics in various forms over the years. So dumb.
Now hoping for a Wonder Twins movie that includes Gleek.
Lo and behold, it's actually been around since her origin in the comics in various forms over the years. So dumb.
Now hoping for a Wonder Twins movie that includes Gleek.
That's going to happen during the next Flash/Supergirl/whatever crossover on the CW. (They actually alluded to Gleek in the last one).YouBet said:
I had to look up the invisible jet back story because I was laughing my ass off while watching that they pulled something from freaking Superfriends.
Lo and behold, it's actually been around since her origin in the comics in various forms over the years. So dumb.
Now hoping for a Wonder Twins movie that includes Gleek.
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