This movie is surely awful for the Wonder Woman franchise and a complete disappointment, but it's nowhere near the level of Suicide Squad or Fantastic Four in terms of terrible comic book movies.

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lol yeah, I cracked up at that. She pulled a Clark Kent I guess? I just went back and rewatched it... I can just see on the set someone pointing out over and over again how something doesn't make sense and Patty Jenkins saying repeatedly - "Nah...It's fine"

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The only way a movie gets made this terribly is by everyone saying "yes, that's great" to every stupid idea.

This was definitely not a good movie, but I do think I enjoyed it more than the first one. I'm probably in the minority, but I found the first WW to be pretty boring. I'm just not into fight scenes between gods, where they just run into each and throw stuff at each other until the writers decide the audience has had enough. I have the same problem with all the recent Superman movies. There's no real creativity in how they defeat the big boss.

Even though the whole wishing stone guy was pretty dumb, it was at least original. No aliens or gods to defeat at the end. I think, given better writing, it could have been interesting. What if the guy was actually trying to help people, not realizing he was also destroying the world by doing it? I think that would have made for a more interesting dilemma.

I haven't read this thread yet, so these issues could already be addressed, but here are the questions/issues I had with WW84:

1. I hated the intro. The race made no sense, and I didn't understand the point of the crazy contraptions at the beginning. At one point, Diana is losing to two other girls, but the other girls jump on a log/battering ram that goes backwards. Why would they do that? If they don't go backwards, they smoke the competition.

2. What exactly did Diana learn from the competition? I expected at some point in the future, there would be a dilemma where she has to choose between the easy way and right way. I guess having to choose to get rid of Chris Pine was supposed to be that choice, but it didn't really seem like a good analogy.

3. Why 1984? There was nothing about the movie that it needed to be in 1984. The Cold War kind of came up at the end, but it wasn't a major plot point. They didn't have any sort of Big Brother. Other than some site gags with the clothes, there was no reason to make it 1984. Since 1984 is in the title of the movie, I assumed that it would somehow play into things. They could have just called it WW 2020, or WW 1963, and been the exact same movie.

4. How did Chris Pine learn to fly a jet? I thought he died in WWI. That's like saying because you drove a horse and buggy in the 1800s, you could drive an Indy car now.

5. What exactly did Kristen Wiig lose when her wish came true? Did it just make her not nice? I can see why she wouldn't care about giving her powers back. She didn't really lose anything, did she?

6. Why did WW slowly lose her powers over time, but other people (like the Egyptian oil guy) see their losses immediately?

7. Is WW immune from electrocution? I'm not an expert on her powers, but why didn't she get electrocuted when Kristen Wiig did?

8. Are we supposed to believe that everyone who made a wish was willing to give it back at the end? Out of the billions of people in the world, not a single one said, "F it. I'm keeping my PS5."

9. Why was WW telling the kids to keep her a secret? There were hundreds of people in the mall who saw her, but she winks and tells the little girl to keep quiet. And if WW is a secret from the world, why would everyone listen to her when she tells them to give back their wishes? They don't even know who she is.

10. Why were the kids in Egypt playing soccer on the highway?

11. Am I the only one who thought the fight/action scenes were bad? Every time they had a action sequence, the special effects just seemed really campy, but not in a Batman '66 kind of way. Everything was way too stylized and the action didn't make any sense.

I think the pandemic will actually help this movie, in the sense that they can blame the financial failure on the pandemic and not have to face the reality that it's just a bad movie. All that said, I think I liked it better than the first one, and better than any of the Justice League movies. Of course, take everything with a grain of salt, because I think Suicide Squad is probably my favorite of the recent (post-Nolan) DC movies.

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7. Is WW immune from electrocution? I'm not an expert on her powers, but why didn't she get electrocuted when Kristen Wiig did?

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She is the daughter of Zeus, right?

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Even though the whole wishing stone guy was pretty dumb, it was at least original. No aliens or gods to defeat at the end. I think, given better writing, it could have been interesting. What if the guy was actually trying to help people, not realizing he was also destroying the world by doing it? I think that would have made for a more interesting dilemma.

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That is a decent point I guess. At least they tried something different.

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Its super original if you pretend Aladdin doesn't exist.

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All that said, I think I liked it better than the first one, and better than any of the Justice League movies. Of course, take everything with a grain of salt, because I think Suicide Squad is probably my favorite of the recent (post-Nolan) DC movies.

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This statement makes zero sense. You basically said the entire movie was terrible but then said it was better than the first one? And all of the paragraphs of text were just to point out the bad and then say it was good? I'm so very confused.

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All that said, I think I liked it better than the first one, and better than any of the Justice League movies. Of course, take everything with a grain of salt, because I think Suicide Squad is probably my favorite of the recent (post-Nolan) DC movies.

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This statement makes zero sense. You basically said the entire movie was terrible but then said it was better than the first one? And all of the paragraphs of text were just to point out the bad and then say it was good? I'm so very confused.

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No, I never said it was good. It was a bad movie. I said that in the first sentence. I just said, for me, I was more entertained than the first WW. I thought the first WW was boring. It was basically a remake of Captain America. I think all the DC movies (post Nolan) have been bad. If I am forced to watch one, it would be Suicide Squad, which is terrible. I would prefer they blow up the entire DCU and start over, though.

lol it's nothing special. they just show Lynda Carter (OG wonder woman) casted as "Asteria" walking around a market square or whatever tf. Which, if you think about it, kinda ****s with the whole mythology of "their greatest warrior sacrificing herself." JK she's actually fine and living her best life shopping around a farmer's market.

Like, even in the end credits they **** up their own story lol.

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lol it's nothing special. they just show Lynda Carter (OG wonder woman) casted as "Asteria" walking around a market square or whatever tf. Which, if you think about it, kinda ****s with the whole mythology of "their greatest warrior sacrificing herself. Like, even in the end credits they **** up their own story.

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That's actually hilarious. It was made very clear that Asteria died. It's like they knew the rest of the movie made no sense and were like "ah, screw it".

They found the armor but not her body. So in movie rules it was actually clear she didnt die.

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Smart writing could have made her appearance the result of an errant unrenounced wish.

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Smart writing.
Why would you throw that out as an option for this movie?

Speaking of the armor, what was so great about it? It lasted all of thirty seconds before it was destroyed by Cheetah.

Re: the Armor.

So, Wonder Woman felt like she was inferior to Chetarah and couldn't take her 1:1 even though she's a DemiGod? She defeated Ares the God of War with just her f'ing bracelets, but now she needs full Legendary +3 armor to beat cat woman?

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Speaking of the armor, what was so great about it? It lasted all of thirty seconds before it was destroyed by Cheetah.

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Based on the backstory about the armor earlier in the movie, I took it to be immune to the weapons of men, but Cheatah could tear it to shreds because she's a woman.

It's definitely on the list of "Well, that's silly" things from this movie.

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Speaking of the armor, what was so great about it? It lasted all of thirty seconds before it was destroyed by Cheetah.

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It reminded me of Rocky III when he spends 3 months training with Apollo to be faster than Clubber Lang and do the jab and move on him, then abandons that strategy in the first 90 seconds of the fight.

the better version of this movie would have been a straight rip off of Superman 2.

She wishes Steve back into existence and decides she had no desire to still be Wonder Woman. They go some place remote and spend a week or two or a month completely isolated. She doesn't really notice she's losing he powers because she doesn't need them.

Then they go into town and realize the world's eating itself through all of Max Lord's wish fulfillment mumbo jumbo and it's not just Barbara who has wished herself into an "apex predator" but several people, maybe you even do some version of several of them working together in a quasi-Legion of Doom - a Luthor type, a Giganta type, whoever else you can conjure up.

When Diana tries to stop someone, she gets her ass kicked and realizes that the wishes have costs, and that she has to renounce Steve's presence there and be the heroine. When she gets to Washington, she takes on the super villains + Lord, and manages to convince Barbara to help her out, or Barbara has a crisis of faith or whatever. Have WW give her a speech about - you wished to be like me, this is who I am, a protector, etc. etc.

Would still be pretty cliched - person goes bad, gets strong, gets redeemed, some sort of sacrifice, but I shouldn't be able to write a better plot in 3 minutes than they did in however many years that took.

Hey Linda Carter's WW is on HBO Max...ahhhh takes me back!

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I shouldn't be able to write a better plot in 3 minutes than they did in however many years that took.

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Do we know they spent more than 3 minutes writing the script? I'm not certain they did.