TCTTS said:

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Jenkins directed both movies. She wasn't a credited writer on the first movie, but was a credited writer on the second.

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Then DC needs to banish her from any future DC movies.
Wonder Woman (first one) was the first DC movie that was even decent and I could recommend to people (outside of the Nolan Batman movies).

Is this movie that brings everyone back together in their hatred of it except for a few fringe fans.

She (director) really has no idea why superhero movies are popular and successful (well, the MCU movies).

We do not want a "message", whether it is politcal, or "women power", or whatever. Tell a good story, add humanity, and any "message" should be a by-product of the good story.

If you start with a vision of "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it" then you have already failed.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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To be clear, if this is about the "80's cheese" I referred to in my post, I wasn't talking about 80's nostalgia. I'm talking about actual cheesiness, which was popular in the 80s. Hammy performances, big patriotic moments, etc.

Think Superman II and Rocky IV.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

Don't you dare confuse the hokiness of WW84 with the greatness of Rocky Balboa getting revenge on the killer of his friend and mentor Creed while simultaneously proving that America is better than Commie Russia AND teaching both countries that we can all get along!

Did you not see how hard Rocky had to train in the Russian snow? Did you not see Gorbachev stand up and applaud him when he won?

MBAR said:

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Azariah said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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You people really aren't painting a rosy picture on this. I personally don't care for comic book movies (sans Nolan Batman). But the daughter is twelve and girl power and all that crap. I guess we will wait for something else.

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If you check literally all critical thinking at the door, you can enjoy the flashing lights and cool poses. That might be enough for your 12-year-old. Watched it with my 14 and 13-year-old daughters as well as my everyone-buys-her-wonder-woman-stuff wife, and they all despised it. I'm pretty sure this made them all question whether women should be allowed to make movies.

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This is as ****ty a comment as it gets. Do you question if males should be allowed to make movies because men have made a whole hell of a lot more ****ty movies than women have.

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I see that the idea of a house full of women questioning whether women should make movies is not ridiculous enough to you to understand that part was a joke. I am sad at how seriously you take things.

91_Aggie said:

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She (director) really has no idea why superhero movies are popular and successful (well, the MCU movies).

We do not want a "message", whether it is politcal, or "women power", or whatever. Tell a good story, add humanity, and any "message" should be a by-product of the good story.

If you start with a vision of "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it" then you have already failed.

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I'd say the message of most superhero movies are generally about being a good person, and doing what is right regardless of the cost.

I think it's great that there are women in roles, that are both badasses AND it makes sense within the context of the movie. There are plenty of good examples of that over the past 5 years, but there really weren't before then. I just want movies that are made well, and a poor movie shouldn't be excused because it has a good message.

Someone mentioned this, but Gal Gadot is a lot like Arnold was. She isn't a great actress, she is ok, but there is something magnetic about her presence on screen in action roles. Some of it is obviously that she is beautiful, but there are plenty of hot women that are just dull on screen.

oragator said:

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it's all about women stepping in as women, in the most loving kind pure and natural way," she explained

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This sounds like the tagline for a sapphic pornography.

Azariah said:

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MBAR said:

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Azariah said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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You people really aren't painting a rosy picture on this. I personally don't care for comic book movies (sans Nolan Batman). But the daughter is twelve and girl power and all that crap. I guess we will wait for something else.

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If you check literally all critical thinking at the door, you can enjoy the flashing lights and cool poses. That might be enough for your 12-year-old. Watched it with my 14 and 13-year-old daughters as well as my everyone-buys-her-wonder-woman-stuff wife, and they all despised it. I'm pretty sure this made them all question whether women should be allowed to make movies.

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This is as ****ty a comment as it gets. Do you question if males should be allowed to make movies because men have made a whole hell of a lot more ****ty movies than women have.

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I see that the idea of a house full of women questioning whether women should make movies is not ridiculous enough to you to understand that part was a joke. I am sad at how seriously you take things.

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Unfortunately, we have a lot of...visitors, that come to the Entertainment board and write stuff like that and mean it.

fig96 said:

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91_Aggie said:

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She (director) really has no idea why superhero movies are popular and successful (well, the MCU movies).

We do not want a "message", whether it is politcal, or "women power", or whatever. Tell a good story, add humanity, and any "message" should be a by-product of the good story.

If you start with a vision of "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it" then you have already failed.

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Did I miss where she said or implied this?

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Tctts posted something she said about the next 2 stories she had that had a message about women stepping in as women in a loving manner

That is not what someone writing a superhero should be as first thoughts. Story is king. Not making a statement about whatever she said actually means.

I'll go back and read this thread. I watched the first Wonder Woman and loved it.

This was 2 hours and 40 minutes of just awful movie. Why does DC have to screw everything up??!!!

I don't understand how DC even exists anymore.

Beyond terrible. And not just jumping on the bandwagon. Walked in with zero expectations and still was disappointed beyond belief.

What an absolute mess. Everything I want to say has been covered already though.

Except for Gadot being unbelievably gorgeous. She was incredible in that white dress. And everything else. I will also say that the acting was good to great all around for the most part, but you can only act so much to save a terrible script. I actually feel bad for Gal and Pedro. This will absolutely be a black mark against them and it honestly is just not their fault.

Bad movie. It really is.

Pedro Pascal was great. I hope he gets the chance to be in some other big-name productions.

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fig96 said:

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91_Aggie said:

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She (director) really has no idea why superhero movies are popular and successful (well, the MCU movies).

We do not want a "message", whether it is politcal, or "women power", or whatever. Tell a good story, add humanity, and any "message" should be a by-product of the good story.

If you start with a vision of "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it" then you have already failed.

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Did I miss where she said or implied this?

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Tctts posted something she said about the next 2 stories she had that had a message about women stepping in as women in a loving manner

That is not what someone writing a superhero should be as first thoughts. Story is king. Not making a statement about whatever she said actually means.

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You got that from this?

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"The story continues after this in movies that I may or may not direct, but I have two more stories that become the completion of this story, and it's all about women stepping in as women, in the most loving kind pure and natural way," she explained to EW. "And making a difference in the world without having to change who they are to do it."

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Story is king, but if you're telling a story that doesn't have some kind of message or theme there's not much point to telling the story. And if you don't think the Marvel films have had lots of different underlying themes to them you haven't been paying attention.

Not to mention what she said has nothing to do with (your words) "I want to make sure this MESSAGE is broadcasted and people are bashed over the head with it". She mentioned that she has an underlying theme to the additional stories she wants to tell, which I'd absolutely expect to be the case.

I wasn't a fan of this film, but feels like you're projecting a lot here.

Read my other responses before you reply. I know that's the narrative that fits with your F16 fever dreams, but that's not the reality.

I don't even know where to begin... of course that was the blockbuster released to end 2020.

In fact, I'm pretty sure it just created a new strain of coronavirus.

Stop fighting guys! That's what Wonder Woman 84 wants!!

It's not about *your* politics. I don't give a sh*t what you believe. It's about you ALWAYS looking inject political sh*t on this board. Always. That's been your MO for years now, and it's so f/cking old.

Hahaha. As a friend of mine said last night, "This movie may arguably be the worst thing to happen this year."

So how do you explain all the critics bashing it, and Patty Jenkins, now? They're raking this thing over the coals. What made it suddenly okay to take a female director to task now and not two weeks ago?

The simpler answer is that WB hand-picked all the easy fanboy and fangirl lays, like a lot of these studios do, to see it first, knowing they'd orgasm for it not because it's directed by a woman, but because it's a high-profile superhero sequel, those people like the exclusives and they like being the first to see the *next* big superhero movie that WB will trot out for them. They don't want to be taken off the tit.

More directly, to your point, there are wildly varying degrees of critics, a select few I trust and many more I don't. You're the one lumping them all into the same pile.