Yeah, that’s the thing that would’ve broken my immersion. Phew. Thanks Nolan. https://t.co/FJunpYdOCK
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But they had rap music back then so it's all good.
Fart of the year!
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God dammit. Wrong thread
No, I think this worked here, too.
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God dammit. Wrong thread
I beg to differ. Seems oddly appropriate for this particular thread.
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Can yall just start an Odyssey or Nolan haters thread please?
Also, have you even read the article they are grabbing all this from? Its actually pretty informative to his thought process in approaching the movie.
Also, have you even read the article they are grabbing all this from? Its actually pretty informative to his thought process in approaching the movie.
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Fart of the year!We got a winner for fart of the year and it’s only May pic.twitter.com/X4qPuwcBfi
— OutKick (@Outkick) May 11, 2026
Is this a live feed of Redstone posting?
As previously stated, I don't hate Nolan. He has made some great movies. If you don't think anything we've learned about this movie deserves criticism or being made fun of, that's ok, but on the rest of the internet it is being flamed.
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Can yall just start an Odyssey or Nolan haters thread please?
Also, have you even read the article they are grabbing all this from? Its actually pretty informative to his thought process in approaching the movie.
Of course they haven't. That would hinder Cliff's virtue signaling and **** stirring.
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So you haven't read the article. Got it.
I did read it. It doesn't make the meme not funny. Insisting upon bronze age gongs for authenticity when the rest of the production has **** all to do with the source material is just funny.
I do want to remind everyone that Christopher Nolan is responsible for the most rightwing major studio film of all the time, The Dark Knight Rises. So perhaps we should wait to see The Odyssey before all making up our minds about it.
— Robby Soave (@robbysoave) May 12, 2026
These movies appeal to a conservative sensibility, but they are not as politically rightwing as The Dark Knight Rises.
— Robby Soave (@robbysoave) May 12, 2026
In TDKR, the bad guys are inequality-obsessed leftists who seize power and initiate Reign of Terror style revolutionary justice against Gotham's upper class.… https://t.co/XdZdC0gcDl
… while The Dark Knight is very much a Bush-era, pro-Patriot Act movie in which Batman, like post-9/11 Bush, has to "push the boundaries of civil rights to deal with an emergency, certain that he will re-establish those boundaries when the emergency is past," re: the whole surveillance thing using cell phones in the third act.
But sure, Nolan is suddenly a DEI-supporting, trans-championing liberal who's trying to push woke values on America via *checks notes* The Odyssey.
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Second, we've now reached the point where senators are bloviating **** like this, based on a RUMOR that likely isn't true…
Wait'll you hear about what they are saying about the UAP/UFO sightings!
Can we start including woke-ism inside the scope of "suspension of disbelief"?
People would enjoy movies more if they did that instead of being so angry.
People would enjoy movies more if they did that instead of being so angry.
veryfuller said:
Can yall just start an Odyssey or Nolan haters thread please?
Also, have you even read the article they are grabbing all this from? Its actually pretty informative to his thought process in approaching the movie.
Well, this is very disingenuous. Just because they are more vocal than others doesn't mean many don't share the same opinions. This is literally a discussion thread about the movie. We are all providing conversation based on what we have available to us.
Just about everyone with criticisms are self-professed fans of Nolan. In fact, much of the seemingly increased vehemence on this thread seems to stem from disappointment that Nolan may be yet another great artist succumbing to this marxist ideology so much of hollywood has been pushing for years. And hell, the majority of the critical responses I've read also state some form of "we'll see", showing they are simply voicing opinions but are willing to see what Nolan's final product is.
It's very simple. News comes out. Someone like Cliff.Booth responds to said news. TC, being the thin-skinned savior of Hollywood on this forum, MUST respond in the most condescending way to that poster.
**checks notes**
That looks to me like the first poster simply posted their opinion on entertainment news and the second poster responded with an attack on that first poster, somehow belittling them. So begins the back and forth ****-flinging. Why didn't the thin-skinned defendant of Hollywood just ignore the post and only respond to others, thereby keeping the conversation about a more positive topic? Because he completely lacks the self-control to do so.
If there was ANY poster on this forum who could be accused of responding to "dog-whistles", it's him.
Also, this bull**** of attempting to gaslight fellow posters by claiming they are obsessed with DEI and wokeness, when the subject matter warrants the conversation, is tiresome. Those posters didn't change the rules for the Academy. Those posters didn't race-swap Helen of Troy. Those posters aren't just making things up. But because they respond to these things, THEY are the ones who are obsessed. Do you not see how incredibly ridiculous of a remark this is?
There have been MANY movies and TV show threads on this forum where there is NO talk of DEI or woke. Most recently, take One Piece. Go to the threads for One Piece Season 1 and One Piece Season 2. Show me all those DEI and woke-obsessed posts on those threads. Obviously there should be so many because it's a popular show. I'll wait.
I believe there's a difference between a director/producer "pushing" a DEI mindset via their movie, which means the primary or soul motivation for the movie is the DEI message, versus a director/producer "employing" a DEI mindset while making their movie.
I don't for one second think Nolan's pushing a DEI message via this film, but it's looking more and more likely that he employed a DEI mindset while casting and writing the movie.
I don't for one second think Nolan's pushing a DEI message via this film, but it's looking more and more likely that he employed a DEI mindset while casting and writing the movie.
Or he just hired actors he wanted to work with, like he always does.
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Or he just hired actors he wanted to work with, like he always does.
Elliot Page? Sure, because he's worked with her/him begore. But Elliot Page as Achilles (if true) isn't simply "I like Elliot and she/he seems like the perfect fit for Achilles."
Lupita Nyongo? He's never worked with her before, and casting her as Helen of Troy (confirmed) in The Odyssey is a choice that's as far from obvious as it gets.
Don't be intentionally obtuse or naive just to avoid admitting that Hollywood leads the way in employing a DEI mindset when hiring.
I recall an online accusation against Nolan during the making of Dunkirk that, in his pursuit of realism in what otherwise would be visual effects, he took an actual, flying condition WWII aircraft and literally crashed it. All in the name of complete believability. He never addressed that until after the movie was out, during which yes, there were some aircraft that were crashed, but none of them were real - they were very real looking models. He later said, No, he would never have crashed a real warbird, who the hell would think something like that?
I'll wait until I see the movie to determine whether I should riot, be out-raged, or what-have-you (despite Nolan never seeming to embrace that lunatic aspect of the entertainment industry in his previous works).
I'll wait until I see the movie to determine whether I should riot, be out-raged, or what-have-you (despite Nolan never seeming to embrace that lunatic aspect of the entertainment industry in his previous works).
FL_Ag1998 said:dave94 said:
Or he just hired actors he wanted to work with, like he always does.
Elliot Page? Sure, because he's worked with her/him begore. But Elliot Page as Achilles (if true) isn't simply "I like Elliot and she/he seems like the perfect fit for Achilles."
Lupita Nyongo? He's never worked with her before, and casting her as Helen of Troy (confirmed) in The Odyssey is a choice that's as far from obvious as it gets.
Don't be intentionally obtuse or naive just to avoid admitting that Hollywood leads the way in employing a DEI mindset when hiring.
It's not Achilles, it's the ghost of Achilles. Huge difference, and it's a minor part of the story.
This thread
To be clear, the only reason I'm starting to feel a little wary right now is the fact that none of the trailers so far have blown me away. Nolan's trailers are usually really, really good. But this latest trailer especially has given me pause, if only because of the accents and modern speech.
I'm simply pointing out that yes, Nolan absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt but he's not above reproach or speculation, either. And for the most part, that's what I see in this thread. If the movie ends up being really good, I honestly believe most of the people questioning it right now will revisit this thread to readily admit that they were pleasantly surprised and they're glad their doubts were misplaced.
I'm simply pointing out that yes, Nolan absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt but he's not above reproach or speculation, either. And for the most part, that's what I see in this thread. If the movie ends up being really good, I honestly believe most of the people questioning it right now will revisit this thread to readily admit that they were pleasantly surprised and they're glad their doubts were misplaced.
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Sounds like the majority of your beef is with another poster.
My beef is we have moved from criticizing the casting and costumes (fairly or unfairly) to posting tweets making fun of the score, which no one has heard yet. If this thread is just going to be making fun of the movie....which no one has seen yet....then thats not really a discussion.
For a director, who has had several iconic scores in his films now. And even one all-timer that he also put limits on. He told Hans no percussion in the Interstellar score. We got a masterpiece out of that.
My beef is we have moved from criticizing the casting and costumes (fairly or unfairly) to posting tweets making fun of the score, which no one has heard yet. If this thread is just going to be making fun of the movie....which no one has seen yet....then thats not really a discussion.
For a director, who has had several iconic scores in his films now. And even one all-timer that he also put limits on. He told Hans no percussion in the Interstellar score. We got a masterpiece out of that.
Yes, yes, sorry I wasn't specific. Elliot Page might be playing the GHOST of Achilles. I did read The Odyssey a few months ago in prep for this movie actually. And no matter what part Elliot plays, it appears to be a minor one that won't detract from my viewing enjoyment.
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Nolan instructed Göransson not to use an orchestra in the score, if only to subvert expectations for a swords-and-sandals film. "It's not like the orchestra existed back then," says Göransson. "It was a challenge and also an opening to try to make something unique."
Nolan just said no orchestra.
Göransson, the composer, is the one who commented about there not being orchestras in the Bronze Age and finding inspiration in that.
Nolan just said no orchestra.
Göransson, the composer, is the one who commented about there not being orchestras in the Bronze Age and finding inspiration in that.
Save $30 and 2 to 3 hours of your time.
FL_Ag1998 said:dave94 said:
Or he just hired actors he wanted to work with, like he always does.
Elliot Page? Sure, because he's worked with her/him begore. But Elliot Page as Achilles (if true) isn't simply "I like Elliot and she/he seems like the perfect fit for Achilles."
Lupita Nyongo? He's never worked with her before, and casting her as Helen of Troy (confirmed) in The Odyssey is a choice that's as far from obvious as it gets.
Don't be intentionally obtuse or naive just to avoid admitting that Hollywood leads the way in employing a DEI mindset when hiring.
Lupita Nyongo is an attractive woman. Like, movie star attractive. She may not be traditionally attractive by white/American standards, but some people literally consider her one of the most attractive women on earth, and I see comments saying as much in/around every movie she's in.
She's also an Oscar-winning actress.
Again... this is a fantasy world, with fantasy creatures, which Nolan has decided that black people populate to whatever degree, for whatever reason he's chosen. Given that, I don't understand why a black woman can't be worth fighting a war over?
You're either implying A) black women aren't as attractive as white woman (which, fine, but that's a personal preference not an objective fact) - or - B) the skin color of the human characters matters more to you than the existence of gods and monsters in terms of "historical accuracy."
Both claims of which have a certain... tinge to them.
veryfuller said:
Nolan instructed Göransson not to use an orchestra in the score, if only to subvert expectations for a swords-and-sandals film. "It's not like the orchestra existed back then," says Göransson. "It was a challenge and also an opening to try to make something unique."
Nolan just said no orchestra.
Göransson, the composer, is the one who commented about there not being orchestras in the Bronze Age and finding inspiration in that.
In other words, actually reading the article completely negated Cliff's **** stirring. Shocking!
Seems to be the theme in this thread, and often this board as a whole... completely ignoring facts and context in favor of premature outrage.
I said it's not an obvious choice. She's far from ugly, and yes, I would classify her as attractive. But we're not talking about casting her as an attractive woman, we're talking about casting her as the woman who a war was fought over. Do I personally find her close to being so attractive that a war is started over her? Nope. Doesn't make me racist and I'm not going to start listing the BIPOC women I find attractive to try and prove I'm not racist (fine, cast Zoe Kravitz with long hair and I have no complaints).
But to be honest, my stance about her casting comes more from a place of wanting stories to stay true to their original telling, especially including how the characters look. I realize that may be an almost childlike viewpoint but it stems from being an avid reader my entire life, and when I hear that a book or story I really liked is getting made for the movies, I get excited to see the characters that were so vividly described to me on the pages portrayed up on the big screen.
Hell, I love the Dungeon Crawler Carl book series. But I absolutely hate the audiobook versions which everyone else seems to love, and I hate them simply because the voices don't match up to the voices I've decided fit the characters in my head.
I loved Hamilton when the touring company came to town and my wife and son and I went to see it. I had no problems with the intentional casting choices in that, thought it was great and appreciated the logic behind it. And those weren't just fictional characters, they were based on real people. But the difference is that the play wasn't based on a beloved story that I had read and treasured.
If The Odyssey weren't an epic story from centuries ago but rather an old movie from 50 years ago that was being remade, I'd have no problem with a modern casting.
Its the source material that has me wishing Nolan was more true to the time period, even though yes, this is a fantasy story. That said, it's Nolan. I've been a huge fan of his since Momento came out. He's had some less than great movies and he's had some all time greats. And I have zero doubt that even if this ends up being a less than great movie, it'll be worth my 3 hrs and $30.
But to be honest, my stance about her casting comes more from a place of wanting stories to stay true to their original telling, especially including how the characters look. I realize that may be an almost childlike viewpoint but it stems from being an avid reader my entire life, and when I hear that a book or story I really liked is getting made for the movies, I get excited to see the characters that were so vividly described to me on the pages portrayed up on the big screen.
Hell, I love the Dungeon Crawler Carl book series. But I absolutely hate the audiobook versions which everyone else seems to love, and I hate them simply because the voices don't match up to the voices I've decided fit the characters in my head.
I loved Hamilton when the touring company came to town and my wife and son and I went to see it. I had no problems with the intentional casting choices in that, thought it was great and appreciated the logic behind it. And those weren't just fictional characters, they were based on real people. But the difference is that the play wasn't based on a beloved story that I had read and treasured.
If The Odyssey weren't an epic story from centuries ago but rather an old movie from 50 years ago that was being remade, I'd have no problem with a modern casting.
Its the source material that has me wishing Nolan was more true to the time period, even though yes, this is a fantasy story. That said, it's Nolan. I've been a huge fan of his since Momento came out. He's had some less than great movies and he's had some all time greats. And I have zero doubt that even if this ends up being a less than great movie, it'll be worth my 3 hrs and $30.
TCTTS said:veryfuller said:
Nolan instructed Göransson not to use an orchestra in the score, if only to subvert expectations for a swords-and-sandals film. "It's not like the orchestra existed back then," says Göransson. "It was a challenge and also an opening to try to make something unique."
Nolan just said no orchestra.
Göransson, the composer, is the one who commented about there not being orchestras in the Bronze Age and finding inspiration in that.
In other words, actually reading the article completely negated Cliff's **** stirring. Shocking!
Seems to be the theme in this thread, and often this board as a whole... completely ignoring facts and context in favor of premature outrage.
Dude that's all of TexAgs
I wonder if Troy was made now instead of 2004, would the internet be as upset about every character having a UK-based accent instead of a more regionally accurate accent?
Also isn't she like 42? No one in antiquity is fighting over some broad who already hit the wall.
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I said it's not an obvious choice. She's far from ugly, and yes, I would classify her as attractive. But we're not talking about casting her as an attractive woman, we're talking about casting her as the woman who a war was fought over. Do I personally find her close to being so attractive that a war is started over her? Nope. Doesn't make me racist and I'm not going to start listing the BIPOC women I find attractive to try and prove I'm not racist (fine, cast Zoe Kravitz with long hair and I have no complaints).
But to be honest, my stance about her casting comes more from a place of wanting stories to stay true to their original telling, especially including how the characters look. I realize that may be an almost childlike viewpoint but it stems from being an avid reader my entire life, and when I hear that a book or story I really liked is getting made for the movies, I get excited to see the characters that were so vividly described to me on the pages portrayed up on the big screen.
Hell, I love the Dungeon Crawler Carl book series. But I absolutely hate the audiobook versions which everyone else seems to love, and I hate them simply because the voices don't match up to the voices I've decided fit the characters in my head.
I loved Hamilton when the touring company came to town and my wife and son and I went to see it. I had no problems with the intentional casting choices in that, thought it was great and appreciated the logic behind it. And those weren't just fictional characters, they were based on real people. But the difference is that the play wasn't based on a beloved story that I had read and treasured.
If The Odyssey weren't an epic story from centuries ago but rather an old movie from 50 years ago that was being remade, I'd have no problem with a modern casting.
Its the source material that has me wishing Nolan was more true to the time period, even though yes, this is a fantasy story. That said, it's Nolan. I've been a huge fan of his since Momento came out. He's had some less than great movies and he's had some all time greats. And I have zero doubt that even if this ends up being a less than great movie, it'll be worth my 3 hrs and $30.
Fair enough, and I hear you. I apologize for lumping you in with the people I keep seeing on Twitter who are basically saying black = bad/ugly, white = good/attractive.
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