*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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Can we all just regroup here after we've seen the film. If it sucks Tenet bad so be it. Otherwise who the hell cares if it's a great movie.
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Thank you.

I really hope posters abide by those very reasonable guidelines. The story, the lessons, of the work are universal and global, and we need to keep that in mind IMO.
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https://www.worldhistory.org/image/15906/map-of-odysseus-10-year-journey-home/download/

Bro should have asked for directions
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CharleyKerfeld said:

At the risk of talking about the actual film, I watched the trailer on Imax last night, and I think what's actually bugging me is that Matt Damon seems little boring for the main role. I really like him and have seen loads of his movies, but it feels like Odysseus should be an extremely emotional role. Damon seems to excel at charm, earnestness, and humor. I think Odysseus should be more haggard and sinewy looking given the nature of the journey.

I'm not sure who I would have cast instead. Christian Bale could do the acting, but he's such a Nolan guy it would be hard to detach him from his Batman character. A performance in line with Ethan Hawke in the Northman is maybe what I'm thinking about.

Tom Holland's casting also feels like a distraction, although that might just be that I've never seen him in anything but Spiderman. He's a great Peter Parker, but I have no idea if he can do anything else.

I think the roles I'm most excited to see at Pattison as Antinous and Charlize Theron as Calypso.

Also if you guys want to fly into a rage again, the casting list says there's a Korean guy named Wil Yun Lee in the cast as another of Odysseus's crew members, paying homage to the long-standing ancient alliance between Greece and Korea that existed in those days.




Jon Hamm as Odysseus?
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Sean Bean would have been so good.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

At the risk of talking about the actual film, I watched the trailer on Imax last night, and I think what's actually bugging me is that Matt Damon seems little boring for the main role. I really like him and have seen loads of his movies, but it feels like Odysseus should be an extremely emotional role. Damon seems to excel at charm, earnestness, and humor. I think Odysseus should be more haggard and sinewy looking given the nature of the journey.

I thought Damon did a good job going against type in The Last Duel.
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Squadron7 said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

At the risk of talking about the actual film, I watched the trailer on Imax last night, and I think what's actually bugging me is that Matt Damon seems little boring for the main role. I really like him and have seen loads of his movies, but it feels like Odysseus should be an extremely emotional role. Damon seems to excel at charm, earnestness, and humor. I think Odysseus should be more haggard and sinewy looking given the nature of the journey.

I'm not sure who I would have cast instead. Christian Bale could do the acting, but he's such a Nolan guy it would be hard to detach him from his Batman character. A performance in line with Ethan Hawke in the Northman is maybe what I'm thinking about.

Tom Holland's casting also feels like a distraction, although that might just be that I've never seen him in anything but Spiderman. He's a great Peter Parker, but I have no idea if he can do anything else.

I think the roles I'm most excited to see at Pattison as Antinous and Charlize Theron as Calypso.

Also if you guys want to fly into a rage again, the casting list says there's a Korean guy named Wil Yun Lee in the cast as another of Odysseus's crew members, paying homage to the long-standing ancient alliance between Greece and Korea that existed in those days.




Jon Hamm as Odysseus?

I think I would have preferred an unknown, or someone less known like Bale was when he became Batman in 2005. he was 31 then. I know he had been in American Psycho, but I'm not sure I had seen him in anything but Newsies when he was a kid and Reign of Fire a that point.

31 is too young for Odysseus since he has a grown son, and I just don't know enough about today's actors to suggest some lesser known guy in his mid 40s to mid 50s. But definitely a less recognizable face might have been a better choice.

I do love Jon Hamm immensely in "Your Friends and Neighbors" on Apple +. i discovered it about a month ago; it is fantastic, I was surprised TexAgs didn't have a thread about it. Very good look at divorce and loss and starting over; albeit in the context of being really rich.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

Squadron7 said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

At the risk of talking about the actual film, I watched the trailer on Imax last night, and I think what's actually bugging me is that Matt Damon seems little boring for the main role. I really like him and have seen loads of his movies, but it feels like Odysseus should be an extremely emotional role. Damon seems to excel at charm, earnestness, and humor. I think Odysseus should be more haggard and sinewy looking given the nature of the journey.

I'm not sure who I would have cast instead. Christian Bale could do the acting, but he's such a Nolan guy it would be hard to detach him from his Batman character. A performance in line with Ethan Hawke in the Northman is maybe what I'm thinking about.

Tom Holland's casting also feels like a distraction, although that might just be that I've never seen him in anything but Spiderman. He's a great Peter Parker, but I have no idea if he can do anything else.

I think the roles I'm most excited to see at Pattison as Antinous and Charlize Theron as Calypso.

Also if you guys want to fly into a rage again, the casting list says there's a Korean guy named Wil Yun Lee in the cast as another of Odysseus's crew members, paying homage to the long-standing ancient alliance between Greece and Korea that existed in those days.




Jon Hamm as Odysseus?

I think I would have preferred an unknown, or someone less known like Bale was when he became Batman in 2005. he was 31 then. I know he had been in American Psycho, but I'm not sure I had seen him in anything but Newsies when he was a kid and Reign of Fire a that point.

31 is too young for Odysseus since he has a grown son, and I just don't know enough about today's actors to suggest some lesser known guy in his mid 40s to mid 50s. But definitely a less recognizable face might have been a better choice.

I do love Jon Hamm immensely in "Your Friends and Neighbors" on Apple +. i discovered it about a month ago; it is fantastic, I was surprised TexAgs didn't have a thread about it. Very good look at divorce and loss and starting over; albeit in the context of being really rich.


I loved the unknown actor quality of Band of Brothers.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

Squadron7 said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

At the risk of talking about the actual film, I watched the trailer on Imax last night, and I think what's actually bugging me is that Matt Damon seems little boring for the main role. I really like him and have seen loads of his movies, but it feels like Odysseus should be an extremely emotional role. Damon seems to excel at charm, earnestness, and humor. I think Odysseus should be more haggard and sinewy looking given the nature of the journey.

I'm not sure who I would have cast instead. Christian Bale could do the acting, but he's such a Nolan guy it would be hard to detach him from his Batman character. A performance in line with Ethan Hawke in the Northman is maybe what I'm thinking about.

Tom Holland's casting also feels like a distraction, although that might just be that I've never seen him in anything but Spiderman. He's a great Peter Parker, but I have no idea if he can do anything else.

I think the roles I'm most excited to see at Pattison as Antinous and Charlize Theron as Calypso.

Also if you guys want to fly into a rage again, the casting list says there's a Korean guy named Wil Yun Lee in the cast as another of Odysseus's crew members, paying homage to the long-standing ancient alliance between Greece and Korea that existed in those days.




Jon Hamm as Odysseus?

I think I would have preferred an unknown, or someone less known like Bale was when he became Batman in 2005. he was 31 then. I know he had been in American Psycho, but I'm not sure I had seen him in anything but Newsies when he was a kid and Reign of Fire a that point.

31 is too young for Odysseus since he has a grown son, and I just don't know enough about today's actors to suggest some lesser known guy in his mid 40s to mid 50s. But definitely a less recognizable face might have been a better choice.

I do love Jon Hamm immensely in "Your Friends and Neighbors" on Apple +. i discovered it about a month ago; it is fantastic, I was surprised TexAgs didn't have a thread about it. Very good look at divorce and loss and starting over; albeit in the context of being really rich.

Friends and Neighbors thread here:

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3541566
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Lathspell said:

Sean Bean would have been so good.

And he's already done it

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Quote:

CharleyKerfeld said:

I think I would have preferred an unknown, or someone less known like Bale was when he became Batman in 2005. he was 31 then. I know he had been in American Psycho, but I'm not sure I had seen him in anything but Newsies when he was a kid and Reign of Fire a that point.

If you saw Empire of the Sun in 1987, then you had seen Christian Bale. Albeit as a child actor.
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Lol... welcome to my point.
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Just saw a clip from an appearance Quentin Tarantino made on a podcast where called Black Hawk Down the best movie of the 21st century so far. His 1 complaint was there are too many Brits in it playing Americans. Found that funny in the context this thread has gone down.
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Lathspell said:

Sean Bean would have been so good.


They would have had to go beyond Homer for him to die.
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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

Just saw a clip from an appearance Quentin Tarantino made on a podcast where called Black Hawk Down the best movie of the 21st century so far. His 1 complaint was there are too many Brits in it playing Americans. Found that funny in the context this thread has gone down.


I now just assume almost any actor I see is Brit or Australian. I'm continually surprised when I hear an actor speak IRL only to find this out.
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I'll try to get this back on the initial off track…

So not only have they miscast this movie, the most miscast actress hasn't even heard of the Odyssey. The most well known Greek epic of all time. How does a theatre kid not even know the name of the classics?
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I feel like there's a version of Jim Caviezel from 20 years ago that could been incredible as Odysseus.
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I can't believe there's a helicopter in the movie. I guess the space marine steel plate armor giants are also air cav.
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hunter2012 said:

I'll try to get this back on the initial off track…

So not only have they miscast this movie, the most miscast actress hasn't even heard of the Odyssey. The most well known Greek epic of all time. How does a theatre kid not even know the name of the classics?


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Does that matter to the performance?
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I know people complain about the look of this movie too much, but I don't like that poster: no color, weird looking armor, perspective looks weird, why armour your whole body hide your face but leave your hands exposed.
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Sapper Redux said:

Does that matter to the performance?

If it was a comic book movie I wouldn't give it a second thought, but it does seem odd that someone who received an MFA from Yale would not be familiar with The Odyssey.
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I've believe I've voiced similar concerns about the "look" of this movie so far. It fits with other Nolan films and his typical sterile color schemes, but how will we like it for this movie?
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FL_Ag1998 said:

I've believe I've voiced similar concerns about the "look" of this movie so far. It fits with other Nolan films and his typical sterile color schemes, but how will we like it for this movie?


Everyone knows the colors were muted in antiquity.
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CheeseSndwch said:

Sapper Redux said:

Does that matter to the performance?

If it was a comic book movie I wouldn't give it a second thought, but it does seem odd that someone who received an MFA from Yale would not be familiar with The Odyssey.


Drama MFAs don't spend a ton of time on epic poetry unless they have some particular interest in it. The article discusses it more,
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She had performed a few monologues from Greek mythology in drama school at Yale, but was unfamiliar with the source material.

"I really had no idea what The Odyssey was," she says. "I was like, 'Oh, snap, I don't know the first thing about this.' So it was a crash course. I picked up the books and read them immediately. I have this film to thank for my Greek mythological education." And by "picked up the books," she really means she read The Odyssey and listened to The Iliad…


The Odyssey isn't read all the way through in the vast majority of schools, including universities, unless you're taking a specific course related to it. It's not an easy piece of literature to get through without a lot of explanation.
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I read The Odyssey (Abridged) in the 9th grade.
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CheeseSndwch said:

I read The Odyssey (Abridged) in the 9th grade.

we're just built different
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CheeseSndwch said:

I read The Odyssey (Abridged) in the 9th grade.


Same. Figured most schools covered it.
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I read it in high school, either 9th or 10th grade. I don't remember which.
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Sea Speed said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

I've believe I've voiced similar concerns about the "look" of this movie so far. It fits with other Nolan films and his typical sterile color schemes, but how will we like it for this movie?


Everyone knows the colors were muted in antiquity.


No, they were vibrant during antiquity, got muted and dreary in the 470's, and then got vibrat again sometime in the 1400's. Duh!
 
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