I've still yet to see any confirmation or even credible rumors/sourcing. What makes you say that?

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TCTTS said:

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I've still yet to see any confirmation or even credible rumors/sourcing. What makes you say that?

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Absolutely nobody has come out and denied it. Maybe they're all under NDAs and afraid of being sued, but if it Page wasn't Achilles, I think somebody (production team, actor, extra, anybody) would have leaked a denial by now. So while it's not a certainty, I'd be moderately surprised if achilles wasn't page at this point.

If true, it's the worst casting choice ever. A 5'1, 100 pound trans dude - literally somebody that 98% of random men on the street could whale (I'm assuming the remaining 2% are in wheelchairs or have flipper arms or something) - is playing a legendary warrior that mowed through opposing soldiers like grass.

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This says it all

pic.twitter.com/rsp34SXxOp

— I laughed (@found_it_funny) May 13, 2026

Nolan and his team never comment on this kind of stuff. Like, ever. He simply doesn't give a **** / doesn't dip his toe in culture war issues. Further, this kind of outrage is limited to Twitter crazies/Elon Musk and won't affect the box office in the least. Not for a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster starring everyone and their dog. Not unless Fox News or whoever starts hemming and hawing, but considering there's no valid sourcing on the rumor, I would be surprised if even they did.

Secondly, literally the exact same thing can be said in the opposite direction. If this rumor were TRUE, someone - some source, insider, reporter, journalist, podcaster, etc - almost assuredly would have confirmed as much by now. Instead? There's been absolutely nothing. No hint or followup of any kind. Again, this is a rumor that started on a random Twitter account, that was then fanned to the extreme by anti-woke outrage, and nothing more (so far).

Could it end up being true?

Sure, it's possible.

But as of now there is ZERO tangible evidence to suggest as much.

I'm going with Claude!s take that she's playing a diminished Achilles in Hell. There is no other way to justify this.

But, then as someone else pointed out, its then a backhanded insult to the trans community if that's the direction he took because he's saying that Page can't represent Achilles as originally depicted because to do so would betray common sense and logic.

If somehow Page ends being Achilles while mortal, then this will be the worst casting decision of all time. I just can't believe he did that.

YouBet said:

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I'm going with Claude!s take that she's playing a diminished Achilles in Hell. There is no other way to justify this.

But, then as someone else pointed out, its then a backhanded insult to the trans community if that's the direction he took because he's saying that Page can't represent Achilles as originally depicted because to do so would betray common sense and logic.

If somehow Page ends being Achilles while mortal, then this will be the worst casting decision of all time. I just can't believe he did that.

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There are MULTIPLE other ways to justify this.

Good Lord.

Simply by Page playing another (zombie) character, which is the most likely explanation.

In fact, here's a pretty convincing report, with photographic evidence, of who Page may very well be playing, and it ain't Achilles (slight potential spoiler warning for those wanting to remain completely spoiler free)...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristopherNolan/comments/1t9uay4/elliot_page_plays_elpanor_in_the_odyssey/

And even if this doesn't turn out to be true, it's just as "credible" as the Achilles rumor at this point. It's just that this one doesn't stoke anit-woke outrage or get clicks, thus no one's going to run with it.

Well this is concerning.
If Page isn't Achilles, I'm not sure that the 3 people repeatedly posting unflattering pictures of Lupita N'yongo to prove she's too ugly to play Helen of Troy can carry the hate of this thread all the way to the movie's release date.

IF Page is actually playing Achilles.

Which, at this point, I'm damn near convinced is bull****, especially now after seeing that image at the reddit link above.

But if not? It's going to be a cameo at best. And again, a zombie-fied cameo at that.

Either way, the vast majority of the audience A) has no idea who Page is, and B) isn't even going to know the actor is trans. Have you seen the shot of Page in the trailer? Whoever the character is, they're literally covered in dirt.

This is such a non-issue outside of the folks who continue to make it one.

Wanna bet?

Right, but a lot of people taking issue with what they're seeing in general, not just Page, are what should be a healthy portion of the people most enthusiastic about this type of content. It's weird to me that Hollywood continues to view people fed up with nonsense as "just a couple of weirdos here and there" and not the large amount of people who have caused so many high-budget projects to go down the drain the last few years.

You're correct that there's no tangible evidence. But the rumor mill is going hard and nobody - not an extra, not a random passerby peaking over the lot fence, not Nolan's wife's cousin's adopted son - is denying it. if Vegas took bets, you wouldn't bet 1:1 and neither would I. These sorts of rumors are far from infallible, but they're probably right 75% of the time or more.

Claim that it wouldn't affect box office is based on nothing. I'm probably center right on social issues (fine with gay marriage for example), but casting a 5'1, 100 pound girl as achilles would make me vindictively skip it while flipping Nolan the bird. And I'm far from the extreme; there are probably 100 million people to the right of me on social issues in the USA. So if I won't watch it, it means a lot of other people won't either. He'll still make money, but it will cost him hundreds of millions at the box office.

TCTTS said:

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YouBet said:

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I'm going with Claude!s take that she's playing a diminished Achilles in Hell. There is no other way to justify this.

But, then as someone else pointed out, its then a backhanded insult to the trans community if that's the direction he took because he's saying that Page can't represent Achilles as originally depicted because to do so would betray common sense and logic.

If somehow Page ends being Achilles while mortal, then this will be the worst casting decision of all time. I just can't believe he did that.

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There are MULTIPLE other ways to justify this.

Good Lord.

Simply by Page playing another (zombie) character, which is the most likely explanation.

In fact, here's a pretty convincing report, with photographic evidence, of who Page may very well be playing, and it ain't Achilles (slight potential spoiler warning for those wanting to remain completely spoiler free)...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristopherNolan/comments/1t9uay4/elliot_page_plays_elpanor_in_the_odyssey/

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I mean justifying her playing Achilles. If Page is playing some other character, then I likely don't care.

I don't think y'all understand how damning that image at the reddit link likely is for the "pAGe iS acHiLles!!!" crowd. Achilles obviously isn't part of Odysseus' crew on the journey home. Yet Page is shown photographed in an image, posted by a fellow actor playing a member of Odysseus' crew home… featuring all too he actors playing members of Odysseus' crew home.

i.e. NOT Achilles.

Huh?

TCTTS said:

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Huh?

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I was saying there is no way to justify Page playing Achilles unless its as some diminished form of him in hell like Claude! and others have postulated.

If Page is playing some other character that is not Achilles, then I likely don't care at that point.

Cliff.Booth said:

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Right, but a lot of people taking issue with what they're seeing in general, not just Page, are what should be a healthy portion of the people most enthusiastic about this type of content. It's weird to me that Hollywood continues to view people fed up with nonsense as "just a couple of weirdos here and there" and not the large amount of people who have caused so many high-budget projects to go down the drain the last few years.

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What other "nonsense" are you taking about?

If Page ISN'T playing Achilles, there's not a chance in hell that a black Helen of Troy or a minor Travis Scott appearance keep enough people away to affect the box office in any meaningful way. Y'all are WAY too high on how much of an impact you think you're going to have on a massive Christopher Nolan blockbuster starring half of Hollywood, just because you don't like the costumes or are mad that a couple secondary characters are black or whatever.

Otherwise, this is literally the biggest movie of the year, one that a vast majority of people are still looking forward to seeing.

Maybe so. As a dude who could take it or leave it, like most people, so far the trailer hasn't revealed anything that I like. If Nolan's name wasnt attached to it, I'd have little interest. None of the actors are "I'll see anything with this dude in it" people. The armor looks cheap. The sets aren't great. Very dreary looking for something in the Mediterranean. Nothing from the trailer does much for me, but I'm not ready to write it off yet. It just seems like the kind of project that should be so hard to fumble, but these last several years have been full of such projects that bombed or underperformed because of some unnecessary bull*****

The last several years have also been filled with endless Taylor Sheridan shows, Top Gun: Maverick, some incredible Dune movies, F1, Project Hail Mary, right-leaning Paramount buying Warner Brothers, and all kinds of other great, masculine/non-political/non-woke content. I could make a list a mile long. Yet y'all choose to endlessly ***** and moan about the relatively small percentage of content that's woke, out of what I can only assume is a need for every last piece of content to be catered to you and you alone. Yes, it sucks that Disney ruined Star Wars, and that certain other big-name content here and there has been infested with woke ideology. But that trend is so obviously on the downturn now, while y'all act like you're not being fed at all, when you absolutely are.

I never said what you're claiming I said. There have been plenty of cool movies and shows that I liked. That doesn't negate the part I did claim, though. As usual, stop trying to pick a fight by being rude for no reason.

The ones *****ing the most about the possibility of Page playing Achilles will also be the ones that will be the most disappointed if it turns out to not be true.

Yeah, you don't get to pull the "stop being rude" card, after all the **** you said to/about me earlier, that staff deleted.

Regardless, my point is, you guys are hardly ever positive about anything. It's just nonstop complaining about "woke" in thread after thread, instead of acknowledging that Hollywood is *also* constantly catering to you.

Bruce Almighty said:

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The ones *****ing the most about the possibility of Page playing Achilles will also be the ones that will be the most disappointed if it turns out to not be true.

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I don't understand the incessant White Knighting this film from a certain poster. If someone says they won't like a film and don't plan to see it WGAF?

I think most of what I said about you is that you pick fights and bully posters all the time, which you're...doing daily. Like, we went from just discussing whether or not the movie will perform well to you insulting me for zero reason, and then you play the victim. You need to chill.

Except that's not what's happening here.

I'm not "white knighting" for the movie. I've been critical of both trailers, and literally just said I'd probably prefer a Robert Eggers adaptation of the material over a Nolan one.

I could not care less if you don't want to see this movie.

What I *am* doing is attempting to combat the incessant whining and outrage over multiple culture-war RUMORS that likely aren't true. If, year after year after year, I have to listen to right-leaning folks preemptively complain about "woke" movies they haven't seen yet - that often never end up being as woke as they *****ed about for months - I'm going to make their experience doing so as miserable as they often make the experience for me. Which involves challenging them every chance I get, when they post unsubstantiated nonsense.

If that rubs you the wrong way, I don't know what to tell you.

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I think most of what I said about you is that you pick fights and bully posters all the time, which you're...doing daily. Like, we went from just discussing whether or not the movie will perform well to you insulting me for zero reason, and then you play the victim. You need to chill.

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I'm not "bullying" anyone, nor am I "picking fights."

Also, you made it personal earlier in this thread.

Those posts were then deleted by staff.

And now you're doing the thing you always do... pretending like you're above it all, after doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing.

The difference there being, no one is trying to make anything miserable for you. It takes a certain pathology to think a lot of things are directed at oneself when they are not. Dudes venting about stuff they don't like in shows or movies has zero to do with you. If you were to catch another month long ban, this place would churn on as usual with people shooting the **** about liking or not liking entertainment content and the only difference would be 95% less drama on most threads.

Point being, maybe consider unless someone calls you out in particular, don't feel the need to "make things miserable for them".

I didn't say or imply anywhere that it was directed at me.

You're projecting.

Rather, I'm talking about the general experience of discussing/anticipating movies on this board. We all have our opinions, and to that end I hardly ever reply to people who simply don't like what I like, aren't looking forward to something as much as me, or straight up don't like what I like.

What I'm getting at is something different, re: those who constantly inject unsubstantiated culture war nonsense, and make every thread/movie political, that I take issue with. Those kinds of posts/thread hijackings have nothing to do with "preference" or "difference of opinions," and everything to do with what is truth, what is rumor, and not wanting to wade through endless complaints about something that almost assuredly isn't going to be in the final product.

There's a big difference between the two, and you're always trying to lump me into the first camp while completely ignoring/denying the second.

But why? I can understand the angst if you were Nolan but why do you care so much if people judge a book by its cover?

Besides this being my profession, which is my biggest reason, I genuinely think the pre-concieved culture-war judgment we're both referring to is a plague on pop culture (along with culture/society in general), and genuinely makes the movie-going/anticipating experience a worse one. It didn't used to be like this a decade ago. I also... care about truth. If only because it's the only thing that can combat all the noise and nonsense.

Do you engage in dialogue about this kind of stuff on other platforms or apps, or just Texags?