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v1rotate92 said:

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Simultaneous close parallel approaches at 28L and 28R at SFO gets sketchy sometimes when the aircraft landing 28R overshoots final and not on speed. Check out the SFO procedure on flight tracker.

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Do you mean the Precision Runway Monitored approaches? I thought SFO got rid of those a few years ago.

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JFABNRGR said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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GAC06 said:

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Haven't they only recovered one if the helo crew? There are processes to follow notifying NOK, declaring them missing then presumed dead if they aren't recovered.

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It was reported yesterday that her body was recovered. That is when it became public knowledge that the pilot was a SHE.

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He is stating the other two may not have been recovered yet. In that case they typically wait for all.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Why do you think a chopper pilot trained in fixed wing?

And a Blackhawk pilot starts training in Blackhawks while still in flight school

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Blackhorse83 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Why do you think a chopper pilot trained in fixed wing?

And a Blackhawk pilot starts training in Blackhawks while still in flight school

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Several reasons. For instance I was slated for a fixed wing transition for an assignment in Africa. If you were flying in a Military Intelligence roll you could also have a fixed wing rating.

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AggieFlyboy said:

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coconutED said:

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v1rotate92 said:

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Simultaneous close parallel approaches at 28L and 28R at SFO gets sketchy sometimes when the aircraft landing 28R overshoots final and not on speed. Check out the SFO procedure on flight tracker.

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Do you mean the Precision Runway Monitored approaches? I thought SFO got rid of those a few years ago.

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SFO just runs parallel approaches extremely close…always fun when you pass another airplane on final and you wave to the other pilot as you go by. Felt like we had done a formation lead change

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Why do you think a chopper pilot trained in fixed wing?

And a Blackhawk pilot starts training in Blackhawks while still in flight school

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Flying a bunch of helicopters around the vicinity of a major airport is just stupid.

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Rapier108 said:

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So a generalized update.

American will no longer use 5342 as a flight number. (Normal after a major accident.)

41 sets of remains have been recovered from the CRJ with 28 identified. To get the rest will require getting the fuselage sections out of the Potomac.

The Army has confirmed the IDs of Staff Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara and Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Loyd Eaves as two of the crewmen from the Blackhawk. Eaves' body has not been found.

The family of the third crewmember of the Blackhawk has asked that the Army not make the name public.

And I don't blame them one bit. Given the crap show on social media blaming her for the crash, I wouldn't want the inevitable harassment that would come with that information being made public for all to see.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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The family of the third crewmember of the Blackhawk has asked that the Army not make the name public.

And I don't blame them one bit. Given the crap show on social media blaming her for the crash, I wouldn't want the inevitable harassment that would come with that information being made public for all to see.

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Sorry. It should not work that way. She is a "public servant" and was involved in an accident that killed 65 other people. If a school bus driver were in a wreck that killed a bus full of kids, you would know his name the next day.

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Agreed, Seems like a significant public interest argument here that far outweighs the personal interest of the family members.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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The family of the third crewmember of the Blackhawk has asked that the Army not make the name public.

And I don't blame them one bit. Given the crap show on social media blaming her for the crash, I wouldn't want the inevitable harassment that would come with that information being made public for all to see.

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Sorry. It should not work that way. She is a "public servant" and was involved in an accident that killed 65 other people. If a school bus driver were in a wreck that killed a bus full of kids, you would know his name the next day.

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91AggieLawyer said:

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Flying a bunch of helicopters around the vicinity of a major airport is just stupid.

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Why hasn't anyone made more of a emphasis on this? Were there technical violations of protocol in the ATC? Maybe. Did mistakes happen in the cockpits of either aircraft? Probably. But it all boils down to this. Unless someone can make a case for an ABSOLUTE necessity here, this helo had NO BUSINESS being anywhere near there. I don't care where the duty station (or whatever you want to call it is). Andrews is on the other side of the city and flights can happen out of there. At the very least, anything where location and/or timing was somewhat critical could have and should have taken place during daylight.

So, make the case here.

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Philip J Fry said:

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Listened to the audio today. Based on how the media was reporting, it sounded like the ATC wasn't in constant communication. Could not be further from the truth. That controller was talking to other aircraft throughout the flight all the way up to the crash. Clear that after visual was confirmed by the Blackhawk that the controller moved on to other issues. Hard to blame ATC for this

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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91AggieLawyer said:

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Flying a bunch of helicopters around the vicinity of a major airport is just stupid.

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Why hasn't anyone made more of a emphasis on this? Were there technical violations of protocol in the ATC? Maybe. Did mistakes happen in the cockpits of either aircraft? Probably. But it all boils down to this. Unless someone can make a case for an ABSOLUTE necessity here, this helo had NO BUSINESS being anywhere near there. I don't care where the duty station (or whatever you want to call it is). Andrews is on the other side of the city and flights can happen out of there. At the very least, anything where location and/or timing was somewhat critical could have and should have taken place during daylight.

So, make the case here.

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The case was made earlier in this very thread. If it weren't for the proximity to the Capitol and convenience for Congress Critters and staff, Reagan National would have likely been shut down years ago.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Why do you think a chopper pilot trained in fixed wing?

And a Blackhawk pilot starts training in Blackhawks while still in flight school

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One of my test pilots at Bell was a Marine Cobra pilot. He said in the Marines when he was there, they all learned fixed wing first and didn't move to rotors till later.

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A good chunk of their total time was very likely in fixed wing aircraft

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Charpie said:

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The family of the female copilot has asked for her name not to be released

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FatZilla said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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Listened to the audio today. Based on how the media was reporting, it sounded like the ATC wasn't in constant communication. Could not be further from the truth. That controller was talking to other aircraft throughout the flight all the way up to the crash. Clear that after visual was confirmed by the Blackhawk that the controller moved on to other issues. Hard to blame ATC for this

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There is that whole altitude thing ATC should have noticed, no? Helicopter was way above its max allowed altitude for flying the river corridor.

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• Automatically round UP? -- All transponder altimeter data from 201ft -- 300ft reported to ATC as 300
• Round up at midpoint? -- Transponder altimeter data from 250ft -- 349ft reported to ATC as 300

Rapier108 said:

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I'm sure everyone will treat the family with such great respect. /eyeroll

Harassing and threatening phone calls will be inevitable, even though they did nothing wrong. Might even result in an act of violence out of some misguided notion of "revenge."

If DOD rules/federal law allow the soldier's name to be kept private when they are killed while in active service, then it is the family's right to exercise that option and DOD is bound by it. From what I've found so far online, there are a tons of different rules governing releasing information on deceased service members. I don't have time right now to go through all of the weeds to figure out what rules apply in this case.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Why do you think a chopper pilot trained in fixed wing?

And a Blackhawk pilot starts training in Blackhawks while still in flight school

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One of my test pilots at Bell was a Marine Cobra pilot. He said in the Marines when he was there, they all learned fixed wing first and didn't move to rotors till later.

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Again the point is not that chopper pilots have zero fixed wing time. "Whaler" asserted:

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A good chunk of their total time was very likely in fixed wing aircraft

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That's what I am disputing, the idea that the pilots involved were inexperienced because they flew fixed wing, not helo.

I know that the Air Force used to send pilots through the T-6 before they sent them to the Army for rotary wing. And everything I've found online seems to indicate Army pilots fly nothing but rotary in training.

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FatZilla said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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Listened to the audio today. Based on how the media was reporting, it sounded like the ATC wasn't in constant communication. Could not be further from the truth. That controller was talking to other aircraft throughout the flight all the way up to the crash. Clear that after visual was confirmed by the Blackhawk that the controller moved on to other issues. Hard to blame ATC for this

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There is that whole altitude thing ATC should have noticed, no? Helicopter was way above its max allowed altitude for flying the river corridor.

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Charpie said:

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What does that have to do with this thread?

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