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So protecting whistleblowers reporting waste/fraud/abuse and not allowing glyphosate manufacturers federal immunity, great bills they team'd up on!!

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Massie is your man. Enjoy him. His phonyism and cronyism has been absolutely exposed. I appreciate the OP and said so early on.

All you have are derails on Epstein.

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WE HAVE TO DESTROY CONSERVATISM TO SAVE CONSERVATISM!

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Define conservatism. Then get everyone to agree with your definition. And... GO!

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Definition 1
Align with and enable liberal democrats

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WE HAVE TO DESTROY CONSERVATISM TO SAVE CONSERVATISM!

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Republicans, just Democrats, but 50+ years of age and live in the suburbs instead of the inner-city. Every bit as uneducated and mindless.

Definitely nothing to be proud of.

Go to Massie or Rand's website.

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Go to Massie or Rand's website.

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Or Ro Khanna's. Or maybe even AOC. Or just take in an episode of the Young Turks.

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Go to Massie or Rand's website.

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You want me to go to the site of two libertarians to find a definition of conservatism?

Not wasting my time. Surely you were not serious with that post.

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Massie isn't an actual conservative. Open your eyes.

He's showing you who his allies have always been right now.

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What part of his views aren't conservative?

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The view where it's acceptable to empower and align with liberal democrats.

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And what part of his views/beliefs did he align with liberal democrats?

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The most important, his votes.

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Such as?

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Perhaps a reading of the thread will enlightened you.

Don't snipe in to regurgitate things that have been asked and answered for over a week now.

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GFY on the "sniping". Answer a question or ignore it. I don't care (especially about your opinion on anything. Everyone on this board knows where you live)

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I answered the question by telling you to read the thread. This is not a place where you demand people provide you information when its served freely to those willing to spend some time.

I know you don't care much about anything other than derails, snipes and bizarro demands.

What is the bizarre comment about anyone knowing where I live? There are some posters who I would welcome at my house, there are some I would not. But I have no idea why that would be relevant to any discussion on a politics board.

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"Live" met politically (i.e. worshiping Trump), not physically. Your opinion means literally nothing to me - the thought of you in a voting booth scares me as much as the most radical lib Democrat. I was not responding to you and I do not care what you think at all. And please do not tell me what this place is for (are you the Moderator?). Don't like what I say? Scroll on down (it's what I do immediately when I see a post from you if it is not a response to me).

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So protecting whistleblowers reporting waste/fraud/abuse and not allowing glyphosate manufacturers federal immunity, great bills they team'd up on!!

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Massie is your man. Enjoy him. His phonyism and cronyism has been absolutely exposed. I appreciate the OP and said so early on.

All you have are derails on Epstein.

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I love how you don't disagree/debate about the bills he worked across the aisle with Ro Khanna (who I don't agree with politically) but if the result of it is a good bill I support who cares?

But instead you go right back into the general marching orders.

You're losing this position. It's a weak position. It's an anti-American position. The only hope this position has is spending $30 million from foreign influencers. It worked on the boomers, but the boomers are dying out.

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So…Cruz came out against the Iran deal and is bashing Trump over the anti weaponization slush fund. .

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Respectfully, this post is completely dishonest.

Cruz never cane out against any actual Trump deal. He came out against the fake reports that were essentially a complete capitulation. Any conservative was against that reported plan.

Cruz also never bashed Trump over the anti-weaponization fund. He spoke about how senators were angry about it, even yelling at Blance, but ultimately it was legally sound.

This level of misinformation should be corrected so all can have an honest discussion.


ETA; the post also implies Trump attacks those that disagree with him. Thats an opinion, but one with little factual support. Plenty in the administration and party disagree with Trump without issue.

Massie actively worked against Trump. That's far different than disagreeing.

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Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.

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It always is satisfying to get someone to admit they do not care about whether someone is conservative. Only that they vote in lockstep with the GOP NO MATTER WHAT. (GOP is not a conservative party btw)

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Nobody on this thread knows why they hate Massie other than Trump and Fox News told them to. It's insane.

lol! Reposting something that staff deleted a day prior.

ETA: MTG was one of Trump's largest supporters until he abandoned the key positions of MAGA.

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lol! Reposting something that staff deleted a day prior.

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I wrongly personally attached you in my post yesterday. I apologize for that.

Today's post just says the record straight. Perhaps you were deceived by someone about what Cruz said. But now you know the truth.

TLDR: here comes the grift!

I filed with FEC for the 2028 House race.

This allows me to raise funds to continue my political operations supporting my position as a current office holder and as a potential candidate for federal office.

I haven’t made a final decision about which office to seek, if I run. pic.twitter.com/heHxDnu31o

— Thomas Massie for Congress (@MassieforKY) May 25, 2026

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Of course you don't. But his job primarily is to uphold the Constitution and fight for THE PEOPLE

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His job is to represent the people who voted for him. He didn't. So they voted him out.

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You're losing this position. It's a weak position. It's an anti-American position. The only hope this position has is spending $30 million from foreign influencers. It worked on the boomers, but the boomers are dying out.

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There was not $30 million from foreign influences. That is a dishonest statement. The race as a whole had about $35 million total. There was roughly 1/3 of the total of $19 million spent against him, plus whatever portion of his own $16 million that came from foreign influences. The people in his district decided he had not represented him well. They voted him out. What F16 thinks about that or who financed what doesn't change that he didn't convince the people who mattered that he was representing them well.

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They'll never answer that question.

He has to bend the knee and align/vote with everything the modern day GOP is doing or he's "aligning with democrats". Just throw out his beliefs that he campaigned on and promised his voters and fall in line when he gets into Washington.

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It really is insane that they cannot answer. It's a simple question.

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He answered. Sorry you don't like the answer.

He has voted numerous times AND sponsored legislation with the far left Democrats.

But, if that makes him super conservative to you, so be it...

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He did not answer. He tried to conflate "if Massie is a conservative" with "did Massie vote lockstep with the GOP" which is not a conservative party. Cheap trick and does not work

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Voting and enabling liberal democrats is not conservative no matter how many times you try to hand wave it away.

It is an unforgivable sin.

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these reasons aren't conservative and is an unforgivable sin according to you?

https://anncoulter.substack.com/p/the-lies-about-rep-thomas-massie
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Claim 1: Massie "opposed the SAVE Act," requiring proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections.
Absurd Massie has repeatedly supported the SAVE Act, He voted YES on the SAVE Act itself on the floor multiple times, and has publicly stated his support for voter ID/proof of citizenship to vote, and urged the Senate to pass the bill.
He voted NO on a single procedural rule that bundled the bill with a provision suspending the normal 24-hour notice rules for ALL spending bills and other measures.

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Claim 2: Massie "supported transgenders in women's bathrooms."
Utterly preposterous. Massie has NEVER supported any bill to allowing biological males in women's bathrooms in schools, prisons, or federal buildings.

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Claim 3: Massie voted against funding the Department of Homeland Security.
Another smear that collapses under the briefest scrutiny.
The DHS appropriations bill included funding for the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) the Democrats' censorship machine, used by the Biden administration to suppress truthful information about COVID, and Hunter Biden's laptop, among other things.
THAT was what Massie objected to as he has publicly explained multiple times.
Maybe he should have accepted government spying and censoring of Americans in exchange for the rest of the DHS bill. (Another idea: Maybe Republicans should have stripped CISA funding from the bill.) But it's absurd to claim Massie "hates border security," because he doesn't want the government censoring speech.

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Claim 4: Massie's push to release the Epstein files proves he's "anti-Trump."
If so, then Trump is "anti-Trump," since he signed Massie's bill. The bill was also supported every member of Congress but one.

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Claim 5: He hates Israel! (Also Ukraine, Taiwan, and other countries we're lavishing with U.S. foreign aid.)
Massie votes against all foreign aid. It has nothing to do with hating other countries. Sixty-two percent of Republicans agree with him.
Maybe that's why AIPAC's super PAC, "United Democracy Project," has to use shell companies to hide its massive spending against Massie as reported by Politico. UDP spokesman Patrick Dorton calls Massie, "the most anti-Israel Republican in the House."

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I don't really give a **** what his reasons were. That's inconsequential. His job is to be a reliable Republican vote on major legislation. He wasn't. He's gone.

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OK then you cannot adequately explain how Massie is not conservative. Since you can't, you have shifted to "Massie did not vote lock step with the GOP". (The GOP is not a conservative party)

That isn't not the premise.

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Because I don't particularly give a **** if he's your version of conservative, or any version of conservative.

I care that he's Republican and votes Republican. And so do other republicans which is why he ****ing lost.

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Thank you for finally admitting what I have been saying. You cannot adequately explain how he is not conservative (which was the original premise of this particular debate). All you care about is if he is a GOP partisan shill no matter what.

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We had a whole different thread asking if people had a line for when they would not vote for a GOP candidate, and unsurprisingly an overwhelming amount of posters said they had no line and would vote for anyone with a R next to their name, regardless of policy positions.

There was zero room for intelligent discussion when everything boils down to team vs team and they don't want to see the long term consequences of trying to keep mixing oil and water.

Such a scam artist.

This is not a filing with Kentucky -- this is a relatively common filing with the FEC.

Why is it done?

So the person who is no longer actively running for office can continue to maintain a campaign fundraising apparatus, including a fundraising account.

He did it so he can… https://t.co/lJ4wuDjuC5

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) May 25, 2026

To the surprise of...no one.

I would be willing to be this dumbass has probably ridiculed others for doing this. What a dolt.

A list of Massie votes which were at least arguably anti-conservative-
May 2013, voted against the Stolen Valor Act of 2013
November 2016, voted against an extension of U.S. sanctions against Iran
April 2017, he expressed skepticism over the role of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad in the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack.
May 2017, voted against sanctions on North Korea.
March 2019, voted to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border
2019 sent letters to Trump telling him to end unauthorized military action in Afghanistan and to end support of Saudis against the Houthis.
July 2019, voted against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement
November 2019, voted no on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019
December 2019, voted against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act
December 2021, voted against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
September 2021, voted against $1 billion of funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.
May 2022, voted against a non-binding resolution denouncing antisemitism and opposition to Israel.
2025, voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025. He never sponsored a recission bill to remove the overspending he claimed to have found.
July 2025, despite having never mentioning Epstein files during Biden administration, Massie introduced a discharge petition alongside Democratic representative Ro Khanna to force a vote on a law to compel the release of the Epstein files.
February 2026, Massie grandstands with Khanna identifying 6 unrelated individuals as being Epstein associates.


In summation, Massie has been a consistent opponent to Israel, a consistent advocate for Iran and despots throughout the world, especially of the Muslim kind, and an attention *****.

Bulldog73 said:

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A list of Massie votes which were at least arguably anti-conservative-
May 2013, voted against the Stolen Valor Act of 2013
November 2016, voted against an extension of U.S. sanctions against Iran
April 2017, he expressed skepticism over the role of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad in the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack.
May 2017, voted against sanctions on North Korea.
March 2019, voted to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border
2019 sent letters to Trump telling him to end unauthorized military action in Afghanistan and to end support of Saudis against the Houthis.
July 2019, voted against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement
November 2019, voted no on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019
December 2019, voted against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act
December 2021, voted against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
September 2021, voted against $1 billion of funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.
May 2022, voted against a non-binding resolution denouncing antisemitism and opposition to Israel.
2025, voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025. He never sponsored a recission bill to remove the overspending he claimed to have found.
July 2025, despite having never mentioning Epstein files during Biden administration, Massie introduced a discharge petition alongside Democratic representative Ro Khanna to force a vote on a law to compel the release of the Epstein files.
February 2026, Massie grandstands with Khanna identifying 6 unrelated individuals as being Epstein associates.


In summation, Massie has been a consistent opponent to Israel, a consistent advocate for Iran and despots throughout the world, especially of the Muslim kind, and an attention *****.

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Syria was better with Assad, so he got that right.

Im Gipper said:

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TLDR: here comes the grift!

I filed with FEC for the 2028 House race.

This allows me to raise funds to continue my political operations supporting my position as a current office holder and as a potential candidate for federal office.

I haven’t made a final decision about which office to seek, if I run. pic.twitter.com/heHxDnu31o

— Thomas Massie for Congress (@MassieforKY) May 25, 2026

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Dude can't keep his promise of only 3 terms. Loser libertarian checked all the boxes.

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A list of Massie votes which were at least arguably anti-conservative-
May 2013, voted against the Stolen Valor Act of 2013
November 2016, voted against an extension of U.S. sanctions against Iran
April 2017, he expressed skepticism over the role of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad in the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack.
May 2017, voted against sanctions on North Korea.
March 2019, voted to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border
2019 sent letters to Trump telling him to end unauthorized military action in Afghanistan and to end support of Saudis against the Houthis.
July 2019, voted against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement
November 2019, voted no on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019
December 2019, voted against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act
December 2021, voted against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
September 2021, voted against $1 billion of funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.
May 2022, voted against a non-binding resolution denouncing antisemitism and opposition to Israel.
2025, voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025. He never sponsored a recission bill to remove the overspending he claimed to have found.
July 2025, despite having never mentioning Epstein files during Biden administration, Massie introduced a discharge petition alongside Democratic representative Ro Khanna to force a vote on a law to compel the release of the Epstein files.
February 2026, Massie grandstands with Khanna identifying 6 unrelated individuals as being Epstein associates.


In summation, Massie has been a consistent opponent to Israel, a consistent advocate for Iran and despots throughout the world, especially of the Muslim kind, and an attention *****.

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Syria was better with Assad, so he got that right.

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Hahaha. I'm far from a policy expert, but just the way you described those bills show you the guy believes in ending the waste of billions/trillions of dollars in idiotic attempts to save the World or be World police while we are BROKE.

Embarrassing that some of MAGA is trying to convince itself it didn't agree with voting exactly like this 2 years ago. Team politics are a freaking cancer to the brain.

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Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.

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It always is satisfying to get someone to admit they do not care about whether someone is conservative. Only that they vote in lockstep with the GOP NO MATTER WHAT. (GOP is not a conservative party btw)

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Nobody on this thread knows why they hate Massie other than Trump and Fox News told them to. It's insane.

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People list the problems with Massie over and over and over again, and you along with the rest of his fan club, simply ignore it every single time.

Then you claim no one has given a reason why other than "muh, Trump!"

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A list of Massie votes which were at least arguably anti-conservative-
May 2013, voted against the Stolen Valor Act of 2013
November 2016, voted against an extension of U.S. sanctions against Iran
April 2017, he expressed skepticism over the role of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad in the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack.
May 2017, voted against sanctions on North Korea.
March 2019, voted to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border
2019 sent letters to Trump telling him to end unauthorized military action in Afghanistan and to end support of Saudis against the Houthis.
July 2019, voted against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement
November 2019, voted no on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019
December 2019, voted against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act
December 2021, voted against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
September 2021, voted against $1 billion of funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.
May 2022, voted against a non-binding resolution denouncing antisemitism and opposition to Israel.
2025, voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025. He never sponsored a recission bill to remove the overspending he claimed to have found.
July 2025, despite having never mentioning Epstein files during Biden administration, Massie introduced a discharge petition alongside Democratic representative Ro Khanna to force a vote on a law to compel the release of the Epstein files.
February 2026, Massie grandstands with Khanna identifying 6 unrelated individuals as being Epstein associates.


In summation, Massie has been a consistent opponent to Israel, a consistent advocate for Iran and despots throughout the world, especially of the Muslim kind, and an attention *****.

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Syria was better with Assad, so he got that right.

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Hahaha. I'm far from a policy expert, but just the way you described those bills show you the guy believes in ending the waste of billions/trillions of dollars in idiotic attempts to save the World or be World police while we are BROKE.

Embarrassing that some of MAGA is trying to convince itself it didn't agree with voting exactly like this 2 years ago. Team politics are a freaking cancer to the brain.

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Massie is not for any of those things, he is fake playing a part to appeal to certain types of voter. His activities since he was defeated further prove it.

I do agree with him on Assad though.


Also, define MAGA...is it someone who votes R? What if that person does not like Trump but votes R? Are they not "MAGA" then? Its a stupid term.

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Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.

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It always is satisfying to get someone to admit they do not care about whether someone is conservative. Only that they vote in lockstep with the GOP NO MATTER WHAT. (GOP is not a conservative party btw)

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Nobody on this thread knows why they hate Massie other than Trump and Fox News told them to. It's insane.

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People list the problems with Massie over and over and over again, and you along with the rest of his fan club, simply ignore it every single time.

Then you claim no one has given a reason why other than "muh, Trump!"

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That's because you haven't listed anything other than 'muh, Trump'. MAGA has turned into war mongering big spenders.

Bulldog73 said:

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A list of Massie votes which were at least arguably anti-conservative-
May 2013, voted against the Stolen Valor Act of 2013
November 2016, voted against an extension of U.S. sanctions against Iran
April 2017, he expressed skepticism over the role of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad in the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack.
May 2017, voted against sanctions on North Korea.
March 2019, voted to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border
2019 sent letters to Trump telling him to end unauthorized military action in Afghanistan and to end support of Saudis against the Houthis.
July 2019, voted against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement
November 2019, voted no on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019
December 2019, voted against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act
December 2021, voted against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
September 2021, voted against $1 billion of funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.
May 2022, voted against a non-binding resolution denouncing antisemitism and opposition to Israel.
2025, voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025. He never sponsored a recission bill to remove the overspending he claimed to have found.
July 2025, despite having never mentioning Epstein files during Biden administration, Massie introduced a discharge petition alongside Democratic representative Ro Khanna to force a vote on a law to compel the release of the Epstein files.
February 2026, Massie grandstands with Khanna identifying 6 unrelated individuals as being Epstein associates.


In summation, Massie has been a consistent opponent to Israel, a consistent advocate for Iran and despots throughout the world, especially of the Muslim kind, and an attention *****.

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Maybe one or two of those votes you could quibble with but in general, his opposing views are because of what else the bill provides. Plus, we shouldn't be funding Israel or any other foreign government. America first isn't Israel first.

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Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.

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It always is satisfying to get someone to admit they do not care about whether someone is conservative. Only that they vote in lockstep with the GOP NO MATTER WHAT. (GOP is not a conservative party btw)

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Nobody on this thread knows why they hate Massie other than Trump and Fox News told them to. It's insane.

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People list the problems with Massie over and over and over again, and you along with the rest of his fan club, simply ignore it every single time.

Then you claim no one has given a reason why other than "muh, Trump!"

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Person A: Massie isn't conservtive and sides with the D's.

Person B: I think he is conservative and because he wants small gov, on occasion he votes against the GOP's desire for big gov that is slightly right of center. The D's always vote against the GOP, but that doesn't mean Massie is voting "with" the D's. Please explain how he isn't conservative and how he advocates for the D's.

Person A: He votes with the D's against the GOP and isn't a team player.

Person B: I already addressed how his votes against big gov that is slightly right of center is not a vote "with" the D's. And I disagree that one must be a team player to be considered conservative, especially when the GOP advocates for much bigger gov than a small gov conservative would want.

Person A: Why are you ignoring everything I've said?

Person B: [facepalm]

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A list of Massie votes which were at least arguably anti-conservative-
May 2013, voted against the Stolen Valor Act of 2013
November 2016, voted against an extension of U.S. sanctions against Iran
April 2017, he expressed skepticism over the role of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad in the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack.
May 2017, voted against sanctions on North Korea.
March 2019, voted to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border
2019 sent letters to Trump telling him to end unauthorized military action in Afghanistan and to end support of Saudis against the Houthis.
July 2019, voted against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement
November 2019, voted no on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019
December 2019, voted against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act
December 2021, voted against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
September 2021, voted against $1 billion of funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.
May 2022, voted against a non-binding resolution denouncing antisemitism and opposition to Israel.
2025, voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025. He never sponsored a recission bill to remove the overspending he claimed to have found.
July 2025, despite having never mentioning Epstein files during Biden administration, Massie introduced a discharge petition alongside Democratic representative Ro Khanna to force a vote on a law to compel the release of the Epstein files.
February 2026, Massie grandstands with Khanna identifying 6 unrelated individuals as being Epstein associates.


In summation, Massie has been a consistent opponent to Israel, a consistent advocate for Iran and despots throughout the world, especially of the Muslim kind, and an attention *****.

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Syria was better with Assad, so he got that right.

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Hahaha. I'm far from a policy expert, but just the way you described those bills show you the guy believes in ending the waste of billions/trillions of dollars in idiotic attempts to save the World or be World police while we are BROKE.

Embarrassing that some of MAGA is trying to convince itself it didn't agree with voting exactly like this 2 years ago. Team politics are a freaking cancer to the brain.

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Massie is not for any of those things, he is fake playing a part to appeal to certain types of voter. His activities since he was defeated further prove it.

I do agree with him on Assad though.


Also, define MAGA...is it someone who votes R? What if that person does not like Trump but votes R? Are they not "MAGA" then? Its a stupid term.

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MAGA is anyone who still thinks Trump is any different or better than the alternatives, and that he actually gives a rip about them or middle class Americans. He isn't and doesn't, he's just their favorite flavor of a big government failure.

Edited to add that I don't disagree with you about Massie playing a part. They all are!! They're all actors robbing us blind while they act like they're fighting. At least Massies part is basically the People vs the Government (both sides) which is what this thing needs to get to ASAP.

Still surprised no one can define conservatism in a manner everyone agrees on.

And then why they would judge a closeted Libertarian by that definition.

Massie made a better liberal than conservative.

Care to lead off since that seems to be a contentious point in the discussion?
What is your definition of conservative, liberal, and libertarian?

And to make it easy, I don't expect everyone to agree on a one set of definitions as I view each of those as having a range of mostly acceptable definitions with varying intensity.

I actually don't think any of the labels are worth a damn these days.

It's why "America First" resonates better. Or Make America Great Again.

Some prefer Hope & Change.

Bipartisan politics is a team sport. It used to involve compromise but that's been long gone. Team Blue has been wiping the floor with Team Red, until Orange Man came along.

Massie was recruited to serve Team Red, currently led by Orange Man. Instead, he liked playing on Team Blue's side when convenient for Team Massie and as such he is no longer on Team Red.

The noise about his "principles" is nothing but buffalo chips with a side of horse manure.

Maybe you can find him a place on the Tea Party bus (to nowhere).

It's interesting that you completely dodged the very question you are asking others to answer. Almost like productive discussion wasn't your goal when you asked that question ; )

I'll rephrase it to more align with your labels.

Can you define "America First" in your own words?
Can you define the goals of "Team Red" and "Team Blue"?

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It's interesting that you completely dodged the very question you are asking others to answer. Almost like productive discussion wasn't your goal when you asked that question ; )

I'll rephrase it to more align with your labels.

Can you define "America First" in your own words?
Can you define the goals of "Team Red" and "Team Blue"?

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Dodged? I am not obliged to answer a question I asked just because you want to dodge it. So lame do better.

No I am asking for the folks who keep throwing out the term to define it. I am more in the crowd that if you take R money and call yourself a conservative than when you cozy up to the Ds who call themselves liberal, which is the supposed antithesis of conservative. That actually makes more sense than saying "see Randy and Thommies websites for the definition of conservative.

And am not sitting down for an interview with you. I charge for that and you ain't got the scratch buddy.

Move on to troll someone else.

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It's interesting that you completely dodged the very question you are asking others to answer. Almost like productive discussion wasn't your goal when you asked that question ; )

I'll rephrase it to more align with your labels.

Can you define "America First" in your own words?
Can you define the goals of "Team Red" and "Team Blue"?

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They wont answer it because they know its a losing argument.