littlebitofhifi said:
I'm really having trouble figuring out what to make of France after these 3 matches. Obviously a much tougher group than ours and they've gotten the results but the inability to finish is really something. 20 attempts tonight, 4 on target and took a PK to win? Similar problem against Norway.
FIFA Women's World Cup
126,664 Views |
1107 Replies |
Last: 4 yr ago by TRM
I guess we're still on pace to meet France in the quarter finals?
Other side of the bracket is slightly easier. Tank the Sweden game.
Other side of the bracket is slightly easier. Tank the Sweden game.
SHOT
CHASER
Furlock Bones said:Hand Of God said:
Simple solution for all of the grief this seems to have caused some of you...don't watch.
If you don't like Rapinoe's pink hair or political stances...don't watch.
If you think U15 boys beating these women discredits their talent...don't watch.
If you think they score too many goals or celebrate too much afterward...don't watch.
So many people here with strong opinions about individual players and a team they pretend to care so little about.
You just hit the nail on the head. What the US did with their celebrations yesterday turned off the causal fan. Make no mistake that doesn't help grow the game.
CHASER
Plus another 833k on Telemundo, becoming the second most-watched Women's World Cup match in Spanish-language history.
http://worldsoccertalk.com/2019/06/17/uswnt-chile-hits-6-million-viewers-on-telemundo-and-fox-combined/
http://worldsoccertalk.com/2019/06/17/uswnt-chile-hits-6-million-viewers-on-telemundo-and-fox-combined/
Yup
People will never watch them again because they celebrated a goal at the wc
People will never watch them again because they celebrated a goal at the wc
Grapesoda2525 said:
I guess we're still on pace to meet France in the quarter finals?
Other side of the bracket is slightly easier. Tank the Sweden game.
No
I'd rather face then in the quarters than in the final, in paris, in front of all their fans
Do they look as closely at encroachment from the top of the box on those PK VAR reviews?
This women's World Cup has been absolutely horrible. The US team looks good so far, but against terrible opponents. If they don't win against this God-awful competition, they should be very upset. I was worried about France, but they look like garbage so far.
I'll keep watching because I love soccer, but so far, there have been almost no watchable games. Just really hard to watch such low quality soccer. And VAR is a disgrace the way it's being used. Ugh. Maybe the tourney will get better as the later rounds start up. It should. One can only hope.
littlebitofhifi said:Hand Of God said:
Technically I think this probably has more to do with the rule/enforcement changes (eg GK movement, handball regardless of intent), but VAR is absolutely not overemphasizing those rulings.
The answer is far closer in who is administrating it and their relative experience at this stage.
A good rule of thumb is to just watch the US until the knockout rounds. Lots of garbage teams in the group play.snowdog90 said:
This women's World Cup has been absolutely horrible. The US team looks good so far, but against terrible opponents. If they don't win against this God-awful competition, they should be very upset. I was worried about France, but they look like garbage so far.
I'll keep watching because I love soccer, but so far, there have been almost no watchable games. Just really hard to watch such low quality soccer. And VAR is a disgrace the way it's being used. Ugh. Maybe the tourney will get better as the later rounds start up. It should. One can only hope.
Not sure how you could watch the France Norway game and not be entertained. The portion of the Norway Korea game today was also very entertaining. There were a couple others as well Women's soccer has such a huge drop off from the top teams and the rest that some games are unwatchable
England/Scotland. Italy/Australia. France/Norway. Australia/Brazil. There's been some fun matches and ratings in the US and Europe are bearing that out.
If you expect every match in Group to be of the highest caliber then you don't comprehend the state of the women's game. One day there will be 24+ teams of full-time, professional athletes but that's not yet our reality.
If you expect every match in Group to be of the highest caliber then you don't comprehend the state of the women's game. One day there will be 24+ teams of full-time, professional athletes but that's not yet our reality.
littlebitofhifi said:
England/Scotland. Italy/Australia. France/Norway. Australia/Brazil. There's been some fun matches and ratings in the US and Europe are bearing that out.
If you expect every match in Group to be of the highest caliber then you don't comprehend the state of the women's game. One day there will be 24+ teams of full-time, professional athletes but that's not yet our reality.
Not just the women's game. There are dreadful groups stage matches in almost any tournament, World Cup 2018 included - and that was a fantastic tournament, on the whole.
Even the last Euros had some bad games because they expanded the field and did the thing where some 3rd place teams advanced, which led to teams just playing not to lose.
Just you guys wait til the expand the Men's side to 48 teams
Like 20-30% of all international matches are garbage.
jeffk said:
Like 20-30% of all international matches are garbage.
Tomorrow night.
jeffk
Joined:
Oct 31, 2006
Posts:
46,319
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I've played/watched soccer all my life. I'm not debating tatings, I'm not comparing to men, I'm saying the level of play, the level of skill, the level of creativity is lacking from most teams, including the supposed good ones.
France is good. I know this. I watched them dominate the US in a friendly. But they have not shown the same level of play in France so far. There have been some exciting games, yes. Even those are decided by bad mistakes, own goals, flukey goals.
I was in a crap mood when I wrote the first post, and maybe that has something to do with it, but I'm just not impressed.
USA could be incredible, maybe the best USA team ever, but it's hard to tell when they play these donkey teams. Even Sweden looks much worse than former Swede teams. Germany looks weak. Norway, England. These teams used to have some badass women making great creative plays. I just haven't seen it yet. Maybe it will come. We'll see.
France is good. I know this. I watched them dominate the US in a friendly. But they have not shown the same level of play in France so far. There have been some exciting games, yes. Even those are decided by bad mistakes, own goals, flukey goals.
I was in a crap mood when I wrote the first post, and maybe that has something to do with it, but I'm just not impressed.
USA could be incredible, maybe the best USA team ever, but it's hard to tell when they play these donkey teams. Even Sweden looks much worse than former Swede teams. Germany looks weak. Norway, England. These teams used to have some badass women making great creative plays. I just haven't seen it yet. Maybe it will come. We'll see.
There are clearly not, at this point, 24 women's teams that are of world class level. There are maybe 12-14:
USA
France
Germany
Netherlands
Sweden
Norway
Canada
Japan
Brazil
Australia
Italy (?)
Spain (?)
That's it. China has really fallen off. So a 16 team tournament is probably right for right now. But you expand it to 24 and then you give more federations a realistic chance of making it. Then maybe more countries put some resources into the women's game because now they have a chance (Jamaica, Thailand, etc.). That's how you build the game and get more countries involved.
It causes some poor games in the group stage, but in the end the top 16 will be there and you have helped grow the sport.
USA
France
Germany
Netherlands
Sweden
Norway
Canada
Japan
Brazil
Australia
Italy (?)
Spain (?)
That's it. China has really fallen off. So a 16 team tournament is probably right for right now. But you expand it to 24 and then you give more federations a realistic chance of making it. Then maybe more countries put some resources into the women's game because now they have a chance (Jamaica, Thailand, etc.). That's how you build the game and get more countries involved.
It causes some poor games in the group stage, but in the end the top 16 will be there and you have helped grow the sport.
gambochaman said:Grapesoda2525 said:
I guess we're still on pace to meet France in the quarter finals?
Other side of the bracket is slightly easier. Tank the Sweden game.
No
I'd rather face then in the quarters than in the final, in paris, in front of all their fans
The final is in Lyon, but it's still in front of their fans.
The QF game against France would be at the Parc des Princes in Paris, in front of all their fans.....so guess playing them in the final would be better.aggiesoccer#1fan said:gambochaman said:Grapesoda2525 said:
I guess we're still on pace to meet France in the quarter finals?
Other side of the bracket is slightly easier. Tank the Sweden game.
No
I'd rather face then in the quarters than in the final, in paris, in front of all their fans
The final is in Lyon, but it's still in front of their fans.
jeffk
Joined:
Oct 31, 2006
Posts:
46,319
How long do you want to ignore this user?
CRAP
so, my dumbass mistake aside
I'd still rather play them in the quarters than in the final....the energy and momentum they will have from going all the way to the final will be difficult to beat
not that it will be easy in the quarters, but if you have to face a team of that quality, i'd rather do it sooner than later
I'd still rather play them in the quarters than in the final....the energy and momentum they will have from going all the way to the final will be difficult to beat
not that it will be easy in the quarters, but if you have to face a team of that quality, i'd rather do it sooner than later
I'll defer to mathguy as to the interpretation of the rule but I think encroachment only matters when there's a rebound (thats why there's a AR on the goal line but no one inline with the penalty box). But it does seem like they are implementing the rules more stringently for one party over another.DuncanField91 said:DuncanField91 said:
Do they look as closely at encroachment from the top of the box on those PK VAR reviews?
Ah! We have the answer!
The downside is if you play them in the quarters and lose, you get nothing. Losing in the final is at least a second place finish.gambochaman said:
so, my dumbass mistake aside
I'd still rather play them in the quarters than in the final....the energy and momentum they will have from going all the way to the final will be difficult to beat
not that it will be easy in the quarters, but if you have to face a team of that quality, i'd rather do it sooner than later
in terms of the world cup, i dont think it matters where you lose....only the winners get the glory
also, i generally hate the idea of throwing games
its one thing to not play 100% effort to conserve energy and avoid injury when you've already qualified to the next round, but actively trying to lose never sits well with me
its one thing to not play 100% effort to conserve energy and avoid injury when you've already qualified to the next round, but actively trying to lose never sits well with me
Yeah. Encroachment by field players is rarely called. Its basically ignored unless an encroached player participates on a block and rebound.tysker said:I'll defer to mathguy as to the interpretation of the rule but I think encroachment only matters when there's a rebound (thats why there's a AR on the goal line but no one inline with the penalty box). But it does seem like they are implementing the rules more stringently for one party over another.DuncanField91 said:DuncanField91 said:
Do they look as closely at encroachment from the top of the box on those PK VAR reviews?
Ah! We have the answer!
Up until about 2 weeks ago, encroachment by the GK was also largely ignored. The Law was very strict. The GK had to keep both feet on the goal line until the shot was taken. The interpretation was we all gave GKs some leeway. Normally we would all consistently let them violate the Law as long as they were only roughly a step off. Not Brianna Scurry 3 steps off, but a step was fine. So a strict law with a rather generous wink wink nod nod encroachment. And the AR was positioned on the goal line in close to make that call. Encroach on a make and no one cared. Generally it was accepted practice to ignore encroachment on a straight miss and only call it on a save.
2 weeks ago something changed. The new Law changes technically go into effect July 1 all around the world. Tournaments starting before that date and ending after July 1 can choose to implement the new Laws early and obviously the WWC does that. So they are using all the new Laws. The Mens U-20 WC just ended but FIFA allowed them to also use the new Laws.
One of the changes deals with the Law for PKs. It technically loosened the requirement on the GK to allow them to have one foot off the line at the shot (really it says you must keep one on). So the Law is looser. However it is being called with the letter of the law and no encroachment at all is being tolerated. And none means none. Off by 5 cm? Encroach. No leeway is being given at all and VAR is making the call. The AR is standing in the corner not doing anything. So GKs are getting busted like crazy here and in the U-20s and retakes are being ordered and to top it off if you call encroachment the GK is shown a Yellow Card. That's really rough. They made these calls all throughout the U-20s. It was a shock.
The field players encroaching are still being ignored.
To make matters worse, the try by France yesterday was a miss. And they still called the GK for being off her line. And she might have been off by 1". maybe 2". So it was really harsh.
And it seems not consistent. When Lloyd missed hers the other day, the GK was well off. She was a good 1 step with both feet off at the kick and they didn't call it. If they were being consistent she should have been shown Yellow and a retake ordered even on the miss.
Wait until the knockout rounds. If a match goes to KFTM, it will get ugly. You are going to see retakes like crazy. And at a Yellow for each retake, some GK is going to get shown Red for 2CT. Or they are going to ignore it.
I cannot wait to implement this in the Fall. Tell some U13 kid he's off by 2" and retake? Kids, parents and coaches are going to go bat **** crazy.
The yellow for this is the most shocking to me. I hadn't thought about a match going to PKs with this rule. That will be a circus.
One foot on the line is interesting as can be seen in the France/Nigeria game yesterday. A goalie can have their heel flat on the ground barely touching the line to setup. then as the penalty taker approaches the ball, the goalie shifts weight forward over their knees and onto their toes, thus taking heels off the ground. It then appears as if the goalie if off the line by 3-5" and there's visible grass between the foot and the goal line. So maybe goalies will have to keep the balls of their feet on the goal line, thus shifting them back even further.
My issue with this is that you can't let the penalty taker stutter step if you're going to call keepers for moving. There's no way for a GK to read exactly when that ball will be struck.
Featured Stories
See All
2027 San Antonio Roosevelt OT Kaeden Scott commits to Texas A&M
by Cade Draughon
7:35
20m ago
329
In-Home Visit: A&M adds another future Maroon Goon in Kaeden Scott
by TexAgs Recruiting
10:53
1d ago
9.3k
Griffen leads second-half takeover as A&M ends Austin drought
by Olin Buchanan
5 Thoughts: Texas A&M 74, Texas 70
by Luke Evangelist
10:17
17h ago
2.0k
Weekend of firsts brought 2027 TE Sam Faniel to Aggieland
by Jason Howell
MigratingCoconuts
Joni……is she on the same level as Fran and Melvin Watkins?
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
15
JBAggie00
Joni……is she on the same level as Fran and Melvin Watkins?
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
14
coreyerman92
No. 4 Horns hand Aggies worst rivalry loss in 39 years
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
11
JohnnyTexAg1995
No. 4 Horns hand Aggies worst rivalry loss in 39 years
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
11
OldCorpsTerd86
2027 San Antonio Roosevelt OT Kaeden Scott commits to Texas A&M
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
10