wtf is KFTPM
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Last: 4 yr ago by TRM
Yeah, I had to figure that one out 
I think Kicks From the Penalty Mark?
Also, not quite following this:
I think Kicks From the Penalty Mark?Also, not quite following this:
Are you saying a penalty during a game they can still be cautioned but they can't be in a shootout? Or they won't be cautioned at all for moving during any penalty during the WWC but will in other tournaments/games?Quote:
This will only apply to KFTPM and it only applies in the WWC. So if the come off for a penalty kick they still get carded.
Sorry. Habit I guess. In my case on the field it matters. A PK and the procedure to end the match with kicks are different. They are actually different Laws and I think of them as different. I know most everyone just says "penalty kicks".
During the course of the match a GK off their line will get carded and retake ordered.
In kicks to end the match they will not get carded. Only the retake will occur.
In kicks to end the match they will not get carded. Only the retake will occur.
No worries I think its funny. I recall you saying you frequent reffing boards, blogs etc. I bet the usage is needed there just to avoid the penalty or PK usage nazis.
it still could lead to a **** show where every PK has to be retaken thus resulting in an absurdly long pk shootoutmathguy86 said:
During the course of the match a GK off their line will get carded and retake ordered.
In kicks to end the match they will not get carded. Only the retake will occur.
Yes but they avoided the nuclear meltdown option.
In a regular PK taken during a match, if you card the GK a second time and dismiss them the team can bring on a second GK if they had a substitute left.
In "kicks" (AKA KIcks from the penalty mark
) you are not allowed any substitutes. If you dismiss a GK you can't replace them except with one of the other 10 players still playing. And to make matters worse the other team is forced to remove one of their players so that each team has an equal number at all times. That's what they had to fix.
In a regular PK taken during a match, if you card the GK a second time and dismiss them the team can bring on a second GK if they had a substitute left.
In "kicks" (AKA KIcks from the penalty mark
) you are not allowed any substitutes. If you dismiss a GK you can't replace them except with one of the other 10 players still playing. And to make matters worse the other team is forced to remove one of their players so that each team has an equal number at all times. That's what they had to fix.
France still has a pretty large hurdle against a tricky Brazil squad before reaching the QF.
mathguy86 said:
Well FIFA just blinked. They have officially applied to IFAB (international rules group) and have received a waiver to stop giving GKs who come off their line a yellow card. This will only apply to KFTPM and it only applies in the WWC. So if the come off for a penalty kick they still get carded.
At least the train wreck of losing a GK in KFTPM was averted. They must have realized it was a real possibility.
So you're saying in PKs to decide the winner no card but during the game a card?
English bro.
I understood you just fine.
Yes and No. Yes on the card, but no you don't take PKs to decide a winner. Please try and keep up as there will be a test on this subject later.I Am Mine said:
So you're saying in PKs to decide the winner no card but during the game a card?
English bro.
mathguy86 said:Yes and No. Yes on the card, but no you don't take PKs to decide a winner. Please try and keep up as there will be a test on this subject later.I Am Mine said:
So you're saying in PKs to decide the winner no card but during the game a card?
English bro.
This is why no one likes referees.
Since its a dead day and you all like playing referee so much, here's a short test. 10 questions.
http://areferee.com/soccer/test1.php?quiz=10&ran=1&t=147
Here's a longer one, 20 questions, http://areferee.com/soccer/test1.php?quiz=20&ran=1&t=584
Those are easy. Every ref should get them right.
Here's a hard one. This is for State refs. I think you can miss like 1 out of 25 or 3 out of 50.
http://areferee.com/soccer/test1.php?quiz=25&ran=1&t=601&e=G6B
http://areferee.com/soccer/test1.php?quiz=10&ran=1&t=147
Here's a longer one, 20 questions, http://areferee.com/soccer/test1.php?quiz=20&ran=1&t=584
Those are easy. Every ref should get them right.
Here's a hard one. This is for State refs. I think you can miss like 1 out of 25 or 3 out of 50.
http://areferee.com/soccer/test1.php?quiz=25&ran=1&t=601&e=G6B
7/10 on the first, 17/20 on the second. Lots of questions about throwing boots. Is that really a thing?
Q1: At a throw-in the the ball touches the ground before entering the field of play. That means
Why the "the the"?
More referee lingo?
Why the "the the"?
More referee lingo?
That's a typo.
I've never seen a boot, but it must have been a big enough deal at one point to get codified. Cant throw boots, water bottles, gloves or anything else.
Got 8 out of 10. Missed the first ones about sending off versus cautioning, but got the later ones right.
Oh...thought it was secret referee talk.mathguy86 said:
That's a typo.
Hand Of God said:
France still has a pretty large hurdle against a tricky Brazil squad before reaching the QF.
Especially since Brazil have been given a VAR penalty in every match so far lol
I've seen a thrown water bottle and thrown keeper gloves. Neither was effective but only the bottle thrower got carded.
Those are great tests, thanks.
I kept missing the location of restart answers. It feels like if those scenarios were playing out real time you'd have a feel for the correct location of the restart but seeing other options made me rethink. Is there a standard thought process for restart location especially when dealing with thrown objects?
Also I was surprised by the corner exiting the arc. I guess that one isn't called as much as it could/should be.
I kept missing the location of restart answers. It feels like if those scenarios were playing out real time you'd have a feel for the correct location of the restart but seeing other options made me rethink. Is there a standard thought process for restart location especially when dealing with thrown objects?
Also I was surprised by the corner exiting the arc. I guess that one isn't called as much as it could/should be.
Best way to think about the restart is: if the ball is in play the restart is where the foul was and if the ball is out of play you cannot change the restart.
A corner kick is like any other free kick. Its in play when it is kicked and it moves. Like any free kick the kicker cannot commit a double touch. It doesnt have to exit its "arc" to be in play.
A corner kick is like any other free kick. Its in play when it is kicked and it moves. Like any free kick the kicker cannot commit a double touch. It doesnt have to exit its "arc" to be in play.
Yeah...this is fun.
Tons of different scenarios that are played differently by one variable changing. Or the tests are wrong.
Tons of different scenarios that are played differently by one variable changing. Or the tests are wrong.
Blue #7 commits an offense that, in your opinion, is cautionable but you decide to apply advantage and allow play to continue. A minute later, the ball leaves the field for a throw-in by the Red team. Red #25 quickly gathers the ball and, seeing a possible goal scoring opportunity, appears eager to perform the throw-in.
(a) You should allow play to continue and issue the caution when play is next stopped.
(b) You do not permit play to restart quickly, issue the caution to #7, and then allow the throw-in to be taken.
So, I answered A, based on the new law change. But the new law change is about free kicks and not throw ins, right?
So 1 little variable.
(a) You should allow play to continue and issue the caution when play is next stopped.
(b) You do not permit play to restart quickly, issue the caution to #7, and then allow the throw-in to be taken.
So, I answered A, based on the new law change. But the new law change is about free kicks and not throw ins, right?
So 1 little variable.
And is this covered by the new law?
The goalkeeper punts the ball. After it leaves the penalty area, it rebounds off you and is going into the goalkeeper`s goal. In a desperate attempt to stop the ball from going into the goal, the goalkeeper dives and handles the ball but is unable to stop it from entering the net. You should:
(a) stop play and award a penalty kick for the attacking team
(b) allow the goal
(c) stop play and award an indirect free kick for the attacking team.
Correct answer is: B...
Which I think is wrong, right?
The goalkeeper punts the ball. After it leaves the penalty area, it rebounds off you and is going into the goalkeeper`s goal. In a desperate attempt to stop the ball from going into the goal, the goalkeeper dives and handles the ball but is unable to stop it from entering the net. You should:
(a) stop play and award a penalty kick for the attacking team
(b) allow the goal
(c) stop play and award an indirect free kick for the attacking team.
Correct answer is: B...
Which I think is wrong, right?
I'd love to see a player stop, take off his boot and throw it at another player
Best. Game. Ever
Best. Game. Ever
These tests are for current Laws, not the new ones. But yes, under the new Laws, you can allow a fast restart to delay the card. It specifically says "free kick or goal scoring opportunity". I cannot really imagine allowing a fast a throw and delaying a card. It would take a real stretch.
Currently this is a goal. You do not want an assist as a referee. Under the new Laws this becomes a dropped ball at the point it hits you.I Am Mine said:
And is this covered by the new law?
The goalkeeper punts the ball. After it leaves the penalty area, it rebounds off you and is going into the goalkeeper`s goal. In a desperate attempt to stop the ball from going into the goal, the goalkeeper dives and handles the ball but is unable to stop it from entering the net. You should:
(a) stop play and award a penalty kick for the attacking team
(b) allow the goal
(c) stop play and award an indirect free kick for the attacking team.
Correct answer is: B...
Which I think is wrong, right?
How are they the current laws as they changed June 1?mathguy86 said:
These tests are for current Laws, not the new ones. But yes, under the new Laws, you can allow a fast restart to delay the card. It specifically says "free kick or goal scoring opportunity". I cannot really imagine allowing a fast a throw and delaying a card. It would take a real stretch.
Again, didn't they go into affect June 1?mathguy86 said:Currently this is a goal. You do not want an assist as a referee. Under the new Laws this becomes a dropped ball at the point it hits you.I Am Mine said:
And is this covered by the new law?
The goalkeeper punts the ball. After it leaves the penalty area, it rebounds off you and is going into the goalkeeper`s goal. In a desperate attempt to stop the ball from going into the goal, the goalkeeper dives and handles the ball but is unable to stop it from entering the net. You should:
(a) stop play and award a penalty kick for the attacking team
(b) allow the goal
(c) stop play and award an indirect free kick for the attacking team.
Correct answer is: B...
Which I think is wrong, right?
July 1 is the roll in date for everyone (in theory). Things before then can use them with approval. Thins after are complicated as referees are recertified in a rolling process that starts roughly August 1 and can be as late as Dec 31. Summer and fall leagues have to decide how to implement the Law changes as not all referees will be up to speed. Sometimes the changes are so small it doesn't matter. This year there are some big ones and it's going to be a problem. We are already discussing how to solve this locally.
Makes sense and like all free kicks the whistle is the key to restart right? I'm just thinking about all the corner takers resetting the ball within the arc but that occurs typically before the ref blows the whistle. I'm sure resetting of the ball happens innocuously after the whistle from time to time but I dont think I've ever seen it called even if proper to do so. (Its probably not worth the fight for a ref with a bunch of over-30s or a bunch of u-11s and their parents.)mathguy86 said:
A corner kick is like any other free kick. Its in play when it is kicked and it moves. Like any free kick the kicker cannot commit a double touch. It doesnt have to exit its "arc" to be in play.
Thanks....this is going to be confusing as eff.mathguy86 said:
July 1 is the roll in date for everyone (in theory). Things before then can use them with approval. Thins after are complicated as referees are recertified in a rolling process that starts roughly August 1 and can be as late as Dec 31. Summer and fall leagues have to decide how to implement the Law changes as not all referees will be up to speed. Sometimes the changes are so small it doesn't matter. This year there are some big ones and it's going to be a problem. We are already discussing how to solve this locally.
So my daughters tournament this weekend, we won't know if a defender can touch a ball before it clears the penalty box? Or will the referees discuss that with the coaches?
At her age, I think that's the only law change that will affect them.
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