Buzz to Maryland?

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rsf0626 said:

Dr. Alister MacKenzie said:

Beard is an awful fit and A&M is an awful fit for him and his way to running a program.

People, think for a minute...

This is why a&m will never win a championship
Yep. Too busy worrying what others think. Too busy being the nice guy. Not ruthless at all. Charlie Brown to the 'sips Lucy.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
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Let's face it, any time we get a good coach in any sport we don't pay to keep them and don't shell out the money to attract the best coaches. No surprise, football and baseball have now gone down the tubes. Looks like the last bright spot basketball is done to. I give up on Aggie sports. Been a diehard fan for decades, but every sport every year is the same, which is too bad because there is no reason A&M shouldn't be on top.
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I'll take short guys with massive inferiority complexes for 500 Alex.
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Love is not our superpower
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zooguy96 said:

And, it's Ole Miss. 2nd-3rd tier SEC athletic program.

and yet, let's compare their recent results in football, baseball, and basketball to ours
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87_Was_Long_Ago said:

zooguy96 said:

And, it's Ole Miss. 2nd-3rd tier SEC athletic program.

and yet, let's compare their recent results in football, baseball, and basketball to ours


Chicken effing dinner! Exactly! If Ole Miss is "second or third tier" then we are effectively D2. How anyone can possibly still think A&M is some kind of blue blood at ANYTHING is just asinine.
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misterguinness said:

Next year's FG% already went up!



And FT%
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As expected. Buzz last interviews before the NCAAT had finality. Also, retiring Wade's #.
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Ag13 said:



This is the referenced tweet. If this goes down like the tweet says - and we take more than a few days/weeks to hire a new coach that nobody has ever heard (or a current assistant coach) because we didn't see this coming and were not prepared - I'll be very upset.
Not a chance.
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Welp, I was wrong. I assumed that they would not be willing to pay a top 15 salary for a well-established, "pretty solid, but not great" coach like Buzz Williams and would rather just shoot for an up and comer in that situation, but here we are.
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Ask Lefty Driesell how big Maryland is/was
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Buzz has had one s16 in the last 12 years. Over that time span there have been 11 tournaments (excludes COVID), and he has missed the tourney more than he has made it. He has won a tourney game 3 times in the last 12 years.

And he was in rebuild mode in year 7. Not sure how we got here, but I was gaining optimism with his portal recruitment last year (Payne, Phelps and Wilcher were all good gets).

Oh well, we will move on and I don't think our floor is much worse than his mediocrity as long as we make a decent hire.
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BCG Disciple said:

Buzz has had one s16 in the last 12 years. Over that time span there have been 11 tournaments (excludes COVID), and he has missed the tourney more than he has made it. He has won a tourney game 3 times in the last 12 years.

And he was in rebuild mode in year 7. Not sure how we got here, but I was gaining optimism with his portal recruitment last year (Payne, Phelps and Wilcher were all good gets).

Oh well, we will move on and I don't think our floor is much worse than his mediocrity as long as we make a decent hire.
the more I think about the roster he left us, the more I get annoyed that we didn't even get a sniff of what the young recruits can do. It's a detriment to us and to them. We have no idea what we have (and will most likely be losing let's be honest) and they don't have any collegiate tape to show.
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The fact that someone would leave Texas A&M for a job at ****ing Maryland speaks VOLUMES to the climate within our athletic departments leadership.
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DGrimesAg92 said:

The fact that someone would leave Texas A&M for a job at ****ing Maryland speaks VOLUMES to the climate within our athletic departments leadership.
no it doesn't...Maryland has a natty in basketball....in this century. I don't think it's a much better job, but it's a basketball first school, in the other most respected conference and in fertile recruiting grounds. I don't think Buzz will succeed, but that doesn't make your comment intelligible
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Alberts is not the kind of guy you wanna work for. Dude is all about saving money.
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Hornbeck said:

Alberts is not the kind of get you wanna work for. Dude is all about saving money.
not true -- first off, that's what he's been tasked with doing, so he's doing his job. Secondly, we're not going to cheap out on our 2nd biggest revenue sport hire. That would be idiocy when it actually makes us money.
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DGrimesAg92 said:

The fact that someone would leave Texas A&M for a job at ****ing Maryland speaks VOLUMES to the climate within our athletic departments leadership.

Why does this surprise you when it's happened before?
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I know the last 2-3 years have been all about nil/collective money. Also, I know Buzz Williams approach has been to focus on "team buzz 1", or in other words developing an organization that stays together regardless of the University. However, it has been difficult to "digest" how the entire team , including members who actually graduated from A&M and got their rings, now rooting for Maryland.

I understand supporting your former teammates but it does feel odd, reading Wade, Hefner, Garcia and others celebrating, retweeting and even doing interviews to talk about Buzz and Maryland (this was Manny).

I really enjoyed seeing them play and sticking together asa team but it does feel odd seeing them so deattached.
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Picking an AD over a coach seems nuts. Will see if this works.
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DGrimesAg92 said:

The fact that someone would leave Texas A&M for a job at ****ing Maryland speaks VOLUMES to the climate within our athletic departments leadership.


Yes, he knew if he didnt make it out of the first weekend next year he'd likely be fired. And he asked for a raise and extension (job security) and we refused, given his crappy results in the tourney.

It says there was actually going to be some expectation to deliver on something besides number of books read and thank you notes written.

He burned some bridges the past season over who he fought for NIL bucks for, despite their poor play on the court.
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FTAG 2000 said:

DGrimesAg92 said:

The fact that someone would leave Texas A&M for a job at ****ing Maryland speaks VOLUMES to the climate within our athletic departments leadership.


Yes, he knew if he didnt make it out of the first weekend next year he'd likely be fired. And he asked for a raise and extension (job security) and we refused, given his crappy results in the tourney.

It says there was actually going to be some expectation to deliver on something besides number of books read and thank you notes written.

He burned some bridges the past season over who he fought for NIL bucks for, despite their poor play on the court.


He burned bridges in terms of fighting with football or baseball for resources? Or by giving resources to certain players that the athletic department did not agree?
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I don't buy into the story Buzz was on the hot seat at all... Going to the tournament 2 years in a row at A&M + 2 tourney wins - buys time, even if this year was in many ways disappointing...

Save for a total disaster season next year (think Melvin's last season)- Buzz had enough goodwill for a mulligan season.
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I don't think anyone was saying he was on the hot seat this year, but his roster construction meant year 7 would be a complete roster rebuild. If your coach is bottom quarter in the sec in year 7 and he's on a top 10 salary, he would certainly be on the hot seat. Why do you think buzz has been looking?
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Yep, Buzz was definitely not about to get fired even with a bad year next year. I do believe, based on enough reports, that he wears on people and we would be OK to not fight for him.
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dcg4403 said:

This is ALL BS and you are ALL falling for it.

Buzz is NOT taking the Maryland job.

How do I know?

Maryland is NOT paying $16M to get him out of his contract with A&M. So if that's the number needed to buy him out of A&M....no freaking way.

Just follow the money. And Buzz is just a 600 percentage coach. Sorry...but this makes zero sense.

And I actually kinda hope it is true as it gives A&M an opportunity to hire a coach that has better potentional to go much deeper in the tournament. Have no problems with Buzz staying either....just dont expect a Sweet 16 anytime soon.
Oh man any good stock advice today? Need to make some moves in my 401k and you seem like the perfect dude to help.
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Aston04 said:

I don't buy into the story Buzz was on the hot seat at all... Going to the tournament 2 years in a row at A&M + 2 tourney wins - buys time, even if this year was in many ways disappointing...

Save for a total disaster season next year (think Melvin's last season)- Buzz had enough goodwill for a mulligan season.

He asked for an extension and was told no or not yet. He then proceeded to lose 4 games in a row right after. The Indiana rumors started right after he was told no.
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FTAG 2000 said:

DGrimesAg92 said:

The fact that someone would leave Texas A&M for a job at ****ing Maryland speaks VOLUMES to the climate within our athletic departments leadership.


Yes, he knew if he didnt make it out of the first weekend next year he'd likely be fired. And he asked for a raise and extension (job security) and we refused, given his crappy results in the tourney.

It says there was actually going to be some expectation to deliver on something besides number of books read and thank you notes written.

He burned some bridges the past season over who he fought for NIL bucks for, despite their poor play on the court.
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agtrevino07 said:

I know the last 2-3 years have been all about nil/collective money. Also, I know Buzz Williams approach has been to focus on "team buzz 1", or in other words developing an organization that stays together regardless of the University. However, it has been difficult to "digest" how the entire team , including members who actually graduated from A&M and got their rings, now rooting for Maryland.

I understand supporting your former teammates but it does feel odd, reading Wade, Hefner, Garcia and others celebrating, retweeting and even doing interviews to talk about Buzz and Maryland (this was Manny).

I really enjoyed seeing them play and sticking together asa team but it does feel odd seeing them so deattached.
When you have 2,000 players in the portal with hundreds solely seeking more NIL money at a different venue, what makes you surprised players don't really care about the school they play for?
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I understand that it is more of a transactional relationship, no different than when we worked for a company. However, I was referring to those who graduated. They are A&M alumni now (or soon to be), and that is probably a bit more challenging to digest. I am not surprised, but it is difficult to digest as somebody who cares about our university and basketball program.

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I haven't seen the comments you're referencing but are they disparaging A&M at all or just talking up Buzz? I'm perfectly fine with them having Buzz's back as they're extremely loyal to him. They can be loyal to both the school and to Buzz IMO.

A recent example of what you're describing is a lot of Cal's former players that are in the NBA were rocking Arkansas gear a lot this year, even though they played at UK. That would definitely annoy me.
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pretty funny to peruse maryland's socials knowing what we know now. They're really hyping buzz up as the 2nd coming. I'm sure he'll have some success, but we all know where this goes. If he succeeds substantially there, it's going to mean he landed some NBA lottery type guys. His system won't allow for too high a ceiling.
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Fairview20 said:

I haven't seen the comments you're referencing but are they disparaging A&M at all or just talking up Buzz? I'm perfectly fine with them having Buzz's back as they're extremely loyal to him. They can be loyal to both the school and to Buzz IMO.

A recent example of what you're describing is a lot of Cal's former players that are in the NBA were rocking Arkansas gear a lot this year, even though they played at UK. That would annoy me a lot.

It's going to annoy the NIL money people eventually and likely already is. This current system is a total joke and not sustainable.
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They are not doing anything wrong or bashing the university. I am just sharing/stating that it is difficult for me as a fan to see them promoting or highlighting things related to Maryland. Just like Cal's former players, I do think a lot of our former players will continue to be loyal to Buzz and be more supportive of whatever happens at Maryland than A&M. This new transactional approach is a bit different from what we got from players like Josh Carter, Alex Caruso, and even coaches who played here like Antanas Kavaliauskas (Wake Forest asst. coach).

It is a weird college athletics environment, even more so when no contracts exist. Even when players receive NIL or collective money, there are no formal expectations regarding having a formal exit or even thanking the university for their time here, or just finishing their semester prior to starting promoting a new program. However, this is a problem that the system created and not the young athletes.
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Very true. It's why I'm even more appreciative of a guy like Henry Coleman who seemed to have bought all the way in on everything A&M even though he grew up in VA with no ties to the school.

Thing that sticks out most to me was last year during the super regional vs Oregon he was just out in Aggie Alley drinking a few beers with the rest of the students having a great time. No doubt he could've gotten great seats due to his connections in the AD, but he wanted to be out there with everyone else like he was a regular guy. THEN helped clean up all the trash immediately post game as everyone was leaving.

Having guys like him are going to be extremely rare going forward.
 
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