Sorry, not a chance in hell I see this thing in Bryan, or with Cliff, as I already have prime seats in glorious IMAX at the Chinese Theater on the 18th.
*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)
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Enrico Pallazzo said:TCTTS said:Enrico Pallazzo said:
Deranged is being incredibly sensitive about a movie being criticized. It's okay just to shut the **** up sometimes
Right back at you. Maybe try it yourselves sometimes.
Someone criticizes a movie for whatever reason, sometimes valid and sometimes not so much. You respond by making it personal. Happens over and over and over again on this board. It's ridiculous.
I know reading comprehension is hard, but maybe try paying attention to the actual words I'm writing. Because I'm not harping on y'all for criticizing a movie. Not in the least.
I'm harping on y'all for...
A) doing it to a ridiculously excessive degree
B) without having even seen the movie for yourselves yet
C) whining about certain cultural war ideologies being injected into movies while, at the exact same time, hypocritically injecting your own culture war ideologies into thread after thread here.
THAT'S what's ridiculous.
However much y'all can't stand my brand of complaining, I can't stand your brand of complaining just the same.
Sorry, but that is pretty much all complete horse***** You do it constantly and always have here
So you HAVE seen The Odyssey in full? If so, what did you think?
TCTTS said:
Sorry, not a chance in hell I see this thing in Bryan, or with Cliff, as I already have prime seats in glorious IMAX at the Chinese Theater on the 18th.
Hey, what's wrong with Bryan? That's my home!
I have not seen it nor offered any opinion on it either way. That said, I am capable of acknowledging there seem to be some really odd decisions with this one so far and have found the trailers underwhelming. Now feel free to castigate me for my deranged ignorance.
I love Bryan. Especially downtown. I still visit BCS three or four times a year for family and football, and love every minute of it. I'm just not choosing a Bryan movie theater over IMAX at Chinese.
Though, you know what CS theater is honestly better than a lot of LA theaters? The Star Cinema Grill on University. I love that place. Good bar, good food, it's always clean, and the overall vibe/presentation is fantastic.
Though, you know what CS theater is honestly better than a lot of LA theaters? The Star Cinema Grill on University. I love that place. Good bar, good food, it's always clean, and the overall vibe/presentation is fantastic.
Enrico Pallazzo said:
I have not seen it nor offered any opinion on it either way. That said, I am capable of acknowledging there seem to be some really odd decisions with this one so far and have found the trailers underwhelming. Now feel free to castigate me for my deranged ignorance.
Again, dude, READ THE WORDS I'M SAYING.
If you think there are some odd decisions, fine! I'm not faulting you or anyone else for that. I've said over and over again I have no problem with healthy skepticism. And for the 400th time, I'm underwhelmed by the trailers as well.
What I *am* faulting some here and more broadly for is the over-the-top EXCESSIVENESS of the complaining, along the endless culture war bull**** that comes with it, before having seen the movie for yourselves. I could not be more clear about that.
I'm in construction and redevelopment. I've built a few buildings in downtown Bryan and have renovated a couple on Main st.
As a matter of fact, get back to me in 6 months or so, I'm working on something really cool down there and hope to get started this year.
But yeah, that IMAX is better than ours.
As a matter of fact, get back to me in 6 months or so, I'm working on something really cool down there and hope to get started this year.
But yeah, that IMAX is better than ours.
Nice. That's awesome to hear.
Right on cue. Thanks for proving my point right out of the gate.
Yeah... tough titties, turkleton.
You spew constant links of random shills and their thoughts. I posted a single video summing up the thoughts of myself and many others (see ratioed trailer), from a very popular YouTuber, that was literally posted today, and your response is that we are deranged.
The casting is stupid. Take a second to get off your knees for Hollywood and at least admit that Hollywood is obsessed with raceswapping. It makes movies, we are to take seriously, look like community theater filmed with an Imax camera. And don't get me started on this idea that we all have to participate in the delusion that a woman is a man.
What is your argument? That Nolan specifically cast an African for a roll that the entire world understands to be a white woman, because his story is going to specifically require an African in that roll? If so, that plot-point better be one of the most amazing story elements I've ever seen on screen. Otherwise, it's simply another bull**** raceswap casting. I will always talk about it when it happens because it's absurd. If they were to make a Huckleberry Finn movie and cast Jim as a middle eastern guy, I would find it just as incredulous. I got and idea! Let's do a remake of Remember the Titans, but make it about a bunch of latinos!
Hollywood does 'X'. I call out 'X' for what it is, and therefore I am obsessed/deranged. Not the ones who started all this? Your logic has failed.
You spew constant links of random shills and their thoughts. I posted a single video summing up the thoughts of myself and many others (see ratioed trailer), from a very popular YouTuber, that was literally posted today, and your response is that we are deranged.
The casting is stupid. Take a second to get off your knees for Hollywood and at least admit that Hollywood is obsessed with raceswapping. It makes movies, we are to take seriously, look like community theater filmed with an Imax camera. And don't get me started on this idea that we all have to participate in the delusion that a woman is a man.
What is your argument? That Nolan specifically cast an African for a roll that the entire world understands to be a white woman, because his story is going to specifically require an African in that roll? If so, that plot-point better be one of the most amazing story elements I've ever seen on screen. Otherwise, it's simply another bull**** raceswap casting. I will always talk about it when it happens because it's absurd. If they were to make a Huckleberry Finn movie and cast Jim as a middle eastern guy, I would find it just as incredulous. I got and idea! Let's do a remake of Remember the Titans, but make it about a bunch of latinos!
Hollywood does 'X'. I call out 'X' for what it is, and therefore I am obsessed/deranged. Not the ones who started all this? Your logic has failed.
Your issue is equating "Nolan" with "Hollywood."
Because nothing Nolan has done, in any movie, has ever been considered "woke." Actually quite the opposite. He's one of the least "woke" directors there is, and the dude could clearly not care less about DEI or whatever. Case in point, his last movie, Oppenheimer, is considered one of the whitest blockbusters of all time, something the left was up in arms about for months. A single black character appears on screen for less than a minute, and that's literally it.
Yet now you're completely ignoring that glaring fact, while literally implying that I'm sucking Hollywood's dick or whatever, when in reality I've been ****ed over by this town far more than anyone here has, and I ***** about how terrible this place can be quite often. Another glaring fact you're conveniently ignoring.
As for why Nolan cast an African American as Helen of Troy, the entire point is that I'm WAITING TO SEE FOR MYSELF whether I think it works or not IN THE FINAL PRODUCT. But also? I simply don't give a **** if the character is black or white. That's something that doesn't affect me in any way, shape, or form. As long as she's good/believable in the role, that's all that matters to me. Why you so desperately need a fictional character to be white, for no other reason than she's always been depicted as white, in a land of all sorts of unbelievable things like gods and monsters, is beyond me. I will simply never understand that kind of psychology, or why it makes some of you so irate.
Because nothing Nolan has done, in any movie, has ever been considered "woke." Actually quite the opposite. He's one of the least "woke" directors there is, and the dude could clearly not care less about DEI or whatever. Case in point, his last movie, Oppenheimer, is considered one of the whitest blockbusters of all time, something the left was up in arms about for months. A single black character appears on screen for less than a minute, and that's literally it.
Yet now you're completely ignoring that glaring fact, while literally implying that I'm sucking Hollywood's dick or whatever, when in reality I've been ****ed over by this town far more than anyone here has, and I ***** about how terrible this place can be quite often. Another glaring fact you're conveniently ignoring.
As for why Nolan cast an African American as Helen of Troy, the entire point is that I'm WAITING TO SEE FOR MYSELF whether I think it works or not IN THE FINAL PRODUCT. But also? I simply don't give a **** if the character is black or white. That's something that doesn't affect me in any way, shape, or form. As long as she's good/believable in the role, that's all that matters to me. Why you so desperately need a fictional character to be white, for no other reason than she's always been depicted as white, in a land of all sorts of unbelievable things like gods and monsters, is beyond me. I will simply never understand that kind of psychology, or why it makes some of you so irate.
Lol... okay. We're back to me being obsessed when I'm not the one who raceswapped something. You can post all you want, i will still mock Hollywood for doing that every single time. It's an obsession within Hollywood and I reject it. Let's just rewrite all the western classics and destroy our cultures. Who cares about whitey? Apparently, whites are only 16% (maximum estimate) of the world's population, but we owe it to every other race to **** on Western culture and historical accuracy to give them representation in our stories, myths, and legends so they feel better about themselves...
Keep crying about us bringing it up; it won't stop.
ETA: Also, I reject the constant attempt to shame people for being passionate about film and storytelling while posting on an internet forum dedicated to that exact topic. Storytelling is such an important part of the human experience and paramount in all cultures. It is VERY important to me because I have lived my entire life loving storytelling. I have read countless novels, seen countless movies, watched countless shows, etc. We, as a species, love storytelling.
Storytelling is an amazing way to learn about other cultures. I love seeing movies or hearing stories centered around other cultures for this exact reason.
To then brush it off as unimportant because you don't like our arguments, is just ridiculous.
Keep crying about us bringing it up; it won't stop.
ETA: Also, I reject the constant attempt to shame people for being passionate about film and storytelling while posting on an internet forum dedicated to that exact topic. Storytelling is such an important part of the human experience and paramount in all cultures. It is VERY important to me because I have lived my entire life loving storytelling. I have read countless novels, seen countless movies, watched countless shows, etc. We, as a species, love storytelling.
Storytelling is an amazing way to learn about other cultures. I love seeing movies or hearing stories centered around other cultures for this exact reason.
To then brush it off as unimportant because you don't like our arguments, is just ridiculous.
I'll watch it with TC in LA. And I'll bring him a MAGA hat to wear and when he refuses I'll loudly say "but you said you voted for him multiple times and have never voted Democrat!". From that point on he can spend A LOT more time in Bryan.
(Please know this is said in jest before you write a 9 paragraph angry rebuttal. I'm joking with you)
(Please know this is said in jest before you write a 9 paragraph angry rebuttal. I'm joking with you)
TCTTS said:
Don't you find it a little weird to be this bothered by a movie, period?
Honestly? No, not at all. If you care about/are interested in movies or filmmaking, you're going to probably like or dislike a lot about what goes into the whole process and the end product. I'd be happy if you ever accepted that this message board is a place to discuss that stuff and not just a platform to re-post the Hollywood glazing that is already all over Reddit/Instagram/Youtube, etc. I'd much rather hear what a fellow Ag who doesnt work in Hollywood thinks about a movie (good or bad) than pay attention to the industry circle-jerk. I.E "here is a guy who was given the chance to sit down and talk to Nolan a week before a movie drops and HE told HIM it's the most magical movie he's ever seen!" <-- totally valid to post and probably some interesting insights in the interview outside of flattery, but also valid for people to voice complaints and skepticism.
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I think what is obnoxious, to me, isn't the complaints, it's the connecting complaints to some sort of overarching narrative all the time. The story isn't that maybe Nolan miscast Helen of Troy, it's that he cast it that because he hates me and everyone I love and wants to rub my face in it. Or because he is bending the knee to the woke Hollywood elite and doesn't care if the masses like the movie or not.
Maybe sometimes that is true of "Hollywood" but that's most assuredly not true of Nolan, as has been argued on here multiple times. But every time there is a complaint it goes right back to Nolan being woke and how much Hollywood hates us. It's just over the top.
Critique is fine. Preaching is what gets annoying.
Maybe sometimes that is true of "Hollywood" but that's most assuredly not true of Nolan, as has been argued on here multiple times. But every time there is a complaint it goes right back to Nolan being woke and how much Hollywood hates us. It's just over the top.
Critique is fine. Preaching is what gets annoying.
Lathspell said:
Lol... okay. We're back to me being obsessed when I'm not the one who raceswapped something. You can post all you want, i will still mock Hollywood for doing that every single time. It's an obsession within Hollywood and I reject it. Let's just rewrite all the western classics and destroy our cultures. Who cares about whitey? Apparently, whites are only 16% (maximum estimate) of the world's population, but we owe it to every other race to **** on Western culture and historical accuracy to give them representation in our stories, myths, and legends so they feel better about themselves...
Keep crying about us bringing it up; it won't stop.
At last we've arrived at the heart of the matter.
You feel threatened.
You somehow think you're being erased... by a movie.
Which is such a laughably insecure response to something like this.
Casting a black woman in a movie adaptation of a work of FANTASY is not "destroying our cultures." Good lord, how can you even type that with a straight face. Nor is it an affront to "whitey." Especially when the vast majority of the cast is still white. The cast essentially went from 100% white in the book to, like, 90% white in a movie thousands of years after the fact, and THIS is your response?
When I talk about pearl-clutching this is exactly what I mean. This over-the-top, woe-is-me nonsense where some of you actually think you're under attack in some tangible way, or that all historical records and meaning are going to disappear just because an industry you hate "race swaps" a few make-believe characters.
"Oh no! They made the cartoon mermaid black! They're not going to stop until we're ALL black! And trans! And saluting a rainbow flag!"
It's just so hyperbolic and dumb.
Grow a pair, dude.
You can find it obnoxious if you'd like, but an increasing number of people do see it all as part of a larger and toxic ideological pattern in the arts. It's kind of like how you don't notice how many places don't have ramps until you're in a wheelchair. If you don't care about woke virtue signaling in movies/shows/games OF COURSE you're going to find it absurd that others do.
veryfuller said:
I think what is obnoxious, to me, isn't the complaints, it's the connecting complaints to some sort of overarching narrative all the time. The story isn't that maybe Nolan miscast Helen of Troy, it's that he cast it that because he hates me and everyone I love and wants to rub my face in it. Or because he is bending the knee to the woke Hollywood elite and doesn't care if the masses like the movie or not.
Maybe sometimes that is true of "Hollywood" but that's most assuredly not true of Nolan, as has been argued on here multiple times. But every time there is a complaint it goes right back to Nolan being woke and how much Hollywood hates us. It's just over the top.
Critique is fine. Preaching is what gets annoying.
Not hyperbolic at all.
So, explain to me why Hollywood is obsessed with raceswapping. I find it hilarious that, EVERY TIME this happens, you default to zeroing in on that specific example without acknowledging our argument is about the systemic pattern. You focus on the "tree" without acknowledging the forrest exists. The fact is Hollywood is constantly doing it. It's also constantly being rejected by the masses.
This is not about me "clutching my pearls" the way you clutch your pearls anytime anyone critiques hollywood. It's simply me calling out things for what they are.
I see a black woman cast in a role of a character who is blatantly white and western. I see a woman pretending to be a man, and I'm expected to participate in the delusion. I also find it hilarious how you throw that "rainbow flag" jab in there when that is basically what Hollywood and leftists are demanding of us. "Celebrate us or you're a bigot."
Sorry... I reject it. Hopefully your weak emotional constitution can handle this. From looking at this thread and many others, it doesn't seem like you can.
So, explain to me why Hollywood is obsessed with raceswapping. I find it hilarious that, EVERY TIME this happens, you default to zeroing in on that specific example without acknowledging our argument is about the systemic pattern. You focus on the "tree" without acknowledging the forrest exists. The fact is Hollywood is constantly doing it. It's also constantly being rejected by the masses.
This is not about me "clutching my pearls" the way you clutch your pearls anytime anyone critiques hollywood. It's simply me calling out things for what they are.
I see a black woman cast in a role of a character who is blatantly white and western. I see a woman pretending to be a man, and I'm expected to participate in the delusion. I also find it hilarious how you throw that "rainbow flag" jab in there when that is basically what Hollywood and leftists are demanding of us. "Celebrate us or you're a bigot."
Sorry... I reject it. Hopefully your weak emotional constitution can handle this. From looking at this thread and many others, it doesn't seem like you can.
They race swapped? Bummer! I had this on my list to watch in theater
"I don't care about your feelings OP. I'm not going to let fandom replace reason, thought, and history"
It is race swapping if the concept of race didn't exist during this time period?
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Please show me where and how Hollywood is "constantly" doing this. List all the times this has happened (I'll even help you below), and then show me how these endless examples are a threat in any way, shape, or form to your life or white culture as a whole, in a way that TRULY, TANGIBLY matters.
Because I would LOVE to hear you explain how...
- making Nick Fury black...
- making the Ghostbusters all female one time...
- making Mary Jane Watson mixed race...
- making the Little Mermaid black...
- making Dr. Liet-Kynes a woman...
- making Catwoman black...
- making Helen of Troy black...
- making Snape black...
... equals "constantly" in your eyes, or led to some kind of genuine cultural crisis. Those are eight notable examples I could think of, but even if you can come up with eighteen more, that's still... nothing. That's like once a year this century.
Are they arbitrary changes? Sure! But again I ask... who gives a ***** How can these decisions by strangers that don't affect you in the least make you THIS angry? You would think some of these people slept your wives by how irate y'all get. And I just find it all so deeply weird.
Because I would LOVE to hear you explain how...
- making Nick Fury black...
- making the Ghostbusters all female one time...
- making Mary Jane Watson mixed race...
- making the Little Mermaid black...
- making Dr. Liet-Kynes a woman...
- making Catwoman black...
- making Helen of Troy black...
- making Snape black...
... equals "constantly" in your eyes, or led to some kind of genuine cultural crisis. Those are eight notable examples I could think of, but even if you can come up with eighteen more, that's still... nothing. That's like once a year this century.
Are they arbitrary changes? Sure! But again I ask... who gives a ***** How can these decisions by strangers that don't affect you in the least make you THIS angry? You would think some of these people slept your wives by how irate y'all get. And I just find it all so deeply weird.
TCTTS said:
Please show me where and how Hollywood is "constantly" doing this. List all the times this has happened (I'll even help you below), and then show me how these endless examples are a threat in any way, shape, or form to your life or white culture as a whole, in a way that TRULY, TANGIBLY matters.
Because I would LOVE to hear you explain how...
- making Nick Fury black...
- making the Ghostbusters all female one time...
- making Mary Jane Watson mixed race...
- making the Little Mermaid black...
- making Dr. Liet-Kynes a woman...
- making Catwoman black...
- making Helen of Troy black...
- making Snape black...
... equals "constantly" in your eyes, or led to some kind of genuine cultural crisis. Those are eight notable examples I could think of, but even if you can come up with eighteen more, that's still... nothing. That's like once a year this century.
Are they arbitrary changes? Sure! But again I ask... who gives a ***** How can these decisions by strangers that don't affect you in the least make you THIS angry? You would think some of these people slept your wives by how irate y'all get. And I just find it all so deeply weird.
lol why did you stop? Keep going…..
Now try doing the opposite and white washing characters and I'm sure you'll be here to white knight for the same artistic changes….
It's just insane you can't ever admit "yeah Nolan ducked this one up"
Or insert any Hollywood change.
Lol... I'm not going to spend an hour of my holiday gathering every possible example from the last 15 years just so you can rationalize it more and brush it off.
We've all seen it. The Critical Drinker brought up even more examples. If I list 50 more examples, would that change your mind? How many examples would I need to give for you to agree?
Give me that number and I'll determine if it's woth my time.
The funny thing is that you know it happens all the time, you just either don't care or are happy about it. Fine. We will keep calling it out and you will white knight for Hollywood, every single time.
We've all seen it. The Critical Drinker brought up even more examples. If I list 50 more examples, would that change your mind? How many examples would I need to give for you to agree?
Give me that number and I'll determine if it's woth my time.
The funny thing is that you know it happens all the time, you just either don't care or are happy about it. Fine. We will keep calling it out and you will white knight for Hollywood, every single time.
Conveniently, you left out the part where I said, "Those are the eight notable examples I could think of, but even if you can come up with eighteen more, that's still.... nothing."
Now it's Y'ALL'S turn to credibly explain, without sounding insane, how the races of make-believe movie characters tangibly threaten your lives or white culture as a whole.
Now it's Y'ALL'S turn to credibly explain, without sounding insane, how the races of make-believe movie characters tangibly threaten your lives or white culture as a whole.
And yet you STILL haven't explained WHY it matters so much to you. Why you get so upset over fiction. Whether it's eight, eighteen, fifty, or a hundred, HOW DO THE RACES OF MAKE-BELIEVE MOVIE CHARACTERS TANGIBLY THREATEN YOUR LIVES OR WHITE CULTURE AS A WHOLE?
TCTTS said:
Conveniently, you left out the part where I said, "Those are the eight notable examples I could think of, but even if you can come up with eighteen more, that's still.... nothing."
Now it's Y'ALL'S turn to credibly explain, without sounding insane, how the races of make-believe movie characters tangibly threaten your lives or white culture as a whole.
lol no I'm good. It's fun seeing you defend a great film maker that has a pending bust on his hands.
Really don't understand your efforts to go to these lengths.
Happy 4th. All in good fun. Don't take this so seriously
That's what I thought.
Also, "pending bust" tells me everything I need to know. Because there is zero indication that the movie itself is bad, you guys just need it to fail for culture war purposes. Same as always.
Also, "pending bust" tells me everything I need to know. Because there is zero indication that the movie itself is bad, you guys just need it to fail for culture war purposes. Same as always.
TCTTS said:
And yet you STILL haven't explained WHY it matters so much to you. Why you get so upset over fiction. Whether it's eight, eighteen, fifty, or a hundred, HOW DO THE RACES OF MAKE-BELIEVE MOVIE CHARACTERS TANGIBLY THREATEN YOUR LIVES OR WHITE CULTURE AS A WHOLE?
Have no issue with the color of Helen of Troy's skin, it's that they picked an average looking woman to play her.
TCTTS said:
That's what I thought.
Also, "pending bust" tells me everything I need to know. Because there is zero indication that the movie itself is bad, you guys just need it to fail for culture war purposes. Same as always.
Zero indication?
Did you not watch the trailer? And the comments? And the ratio?
The indication is there if you weren't a such a simp-hard for your Hollywood brethren.
You know what? I find that more than fair. Personally, I think she's attractive, but I understand that not everyone feels the same.
TXAG 05 said:TCTTS said:
And yet you STILL haven't explained WHY it matters so much to you. Why you get so upset over fiction. Whether it's eight, eighteen, fifty, or a hundred, HOW DO THE RACES OF MAKE-BELIEVE MOVIE CHARACTERS TANGIBLY THREATEN YOUR LIVES OR WHITE CULTURE AS A WHOLE?
Have no issue with the color of Helen of Troy's skin, it's that they picked an average looking woman to play her.
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