You're "crusading" just the same. How do you not get that? Why are you allowed to complain about "woke" but I'm not allowed to complain about you complaining? Why is your endless complaining allowed but mine is the worst thing ever?

Also, you're missing one of the core issues here…

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So, the rule would be we aren't allowed to talk about certain aspects of that particular movie because said filmmaker decided to dip his/her toes into the culture war?

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The problem is that you're ASCRIBING "woke" intent to something a number of us are arguing isn't woke. For the 400th time, Nolan is one of the least woke directors around. But because you guys are OBSESSED with seeing "woke" everywhere, and needing the ***** endlessly about it, you ruin thread after thread with your incessant whining. Hence why we very rationally would love it if you guys kept said incessant whining to a single thread. It's no different than you guys wanting to keep woke messaging out of movies, except somehow even more annoying.

Let me hope I never get ratiod so hard and for so long that I start begging a website to change the rules so no one can argue with me.

I wish these people would enjoy the echo chamber they want on Reddit.

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You're "crusading" just the same. How do you not get that? Why are you allowed to complain about "woke" but I'm not allowed to complain about you complaining? Why is your endless complaining allowed but mine is the worst thing ever?

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I've never made that claim. I have no problem with you crusading and white knighting for Hollywood. I just find it kind of ridiculous sometimes.

I was responding to the post that said all discussion on anything relating to the culture war shouldn't be allowed on threads, even if we are specifically talking about an aspect of that movie/show. My point is not making thread policing one-sided.

To your second point... you are getting such whiplash from arguing with different people over everything they say that you cannot keep straight what any of our opinions truly are. Did I claim Nolan is a very woke filmmaker? Have I wished for this movie to fail?

I've simply said the casting is ***** I've given my reasons for that opinion. I've said casting Elliot Page as a man is basically ******ed. Basically, I have to go into this movie believing that Helen of Troy is running around in blackface and that the Greeks were so desperate for battle fodder that they had to bring their gender confused people along with them, though they are near useless in battle.

No matter how good the movie may end up being, the casting will ALWAYS be ***** I'll still go watch the community theater production of the Odyssey filmed on an Imax camera.

ETA: Hell, I'm even the one trying to get my bum of a friend to go see it in Imax instead of a normal theater.

It isn't bragging, it is the truth though. If I was on a heavily left-leaning forum (12 hours a day) of some kind and my posts routinely got ratiod, out of my available options I sure as hell wouldn't ask mods to change the rules to silence people. It's honestly embarrassing, bud.

This thread has become an Odyssey itself. The bickering just won't die.

To me it is not a woke vs based argument, although that is what it always devolves into.

Did anyone argue when Gal Gadot was cast as Wonder Woman even though her acting is suspect. No. She fit the traditional mold.

Has anyone argued about the live action Disney Moana actress? No, because she fits the traditional mold.

There are 8 billion people on this planet and I am sure there was a better choice for Snow White, or the mermaid, or Helen of Troy that fit the mold better. It was a conscious decision by the powers that be to break the mold on these casting choices and it is their right. It is also our right to have an opinion about it.

Get the popcorn ready and enjoy the show.

Happy Fourth of July!!

Check our post per day counts, I'm not here remotely as much as you are. Now relax pard, you're getting worked up again. It really is ok for people to call out what they see in movies and shows. We didn't bring politics and ideology into movies, Hollywood did.

Do I bring that problem up on every thread for every movie or show, or just a few? Answer honestly.

Looks at own profile... sees 5% posts on Politics and 41.8% on ET. But still labeled an F16 poster as some form of derogatory insult by TCTTS. Seems like one of us is making deranged accusations and the other is responding to actual facts.

Go look at all the ET threads I have participated in. There are many that never devolve into culture war stuff. Mostly because it didn't exist in those movies/shows. Many of these, you also rarely, if ever, post in. Seems like you really love diving into culture war stuff.

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I'm sure TCTTS would love this, so he can try to have even more control over the discourse on HIS forum.

So, the rule would be we aren't allowed to talk about certain aspects of that particular movie because said filmmaker decided to dip his/her toes into the culture war? So, we are now policing every single post as to whether it makes a liberal upset, even though it's a justified discussion point due to the content of said movie?

I have another idea... he can just not respond to it.

I post a video, that was just released, regarding the movie that this thread pertains to. I post it, give my opinion on it, and move on with my life. TCTTS decides to crusade about it, now the thread devolves into a culture war discussion. In this new world, we aren't allowed to post our videos or links because they mention topics some don't like, but others are allowed to post their videos because it doesn't do that?

That is bull*****

I'm fine with the back and forth arguments on generic culture ware stuff not being part of the topic and being removed. Silencing a big subset of this forum simply because their opinions upset a few people is stupid.

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If you look over my posts on this thread you'll see that I'm on your side of this particular casting argument. My idea was that it's okay to talk about specific movie detail in that movie's thread; but when the thread eventually derails (as these inevitably do) into an overall rant/discussion about hollywood in general, then those posts go in the "catchall" thread I posited. I'm certainly willing to discuss on this thread this specific casting, but as soon as that discussion becomes pages and pages of generic pro-hollywood or anti-hollywood posts, then well...we've lost the topic, literally.

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Let me hope I never get ratiod so hard and for so long that I start begging a website to change the rules so no one can argue with me.

I wish these people would enjoy the echo chamber they want on Reddit.

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I'm assuming you're not including me, but in case you are since I put forth the idea, see my response to Lathspell. I just hate when threads about specific movies get so derailed off of that specific movie.

Posts positing why the casting for The Odyssey is bad or at minimum a distraction, I view as germaine to this thread. But most people never stop at one or two posts of their thoughts and then go on about their day. It akways, always, goes on for 3-5 pages of the same generic discussion that's moved on way past the actual movie.

I agree with you that is does drag on and on, but I blame that on a handful of people who respond to any criticism of a movie's alleged virtue signaling choices with gas lighting and personal attacks, which restarts the process. "If you think this is a big deal/part of a larger pattern/is an attack on you/warrants discussion, then you're weird/an idiot/should leave" etc. That's only coming from one side, from about 4 individuals.

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Let me hope I never get ratiod so hard and for so long that I start begging a website to change the rules so no one can argue with me.

I wish these people would enjoy the echo chamber they want on Reddit.

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I'm assuming you're not including me, but in case you are since I put forth the idea, see my response to Lathspell. I just hate when threads about specific movies get so derailed off of that specific movie.

Posts positing why the casting for The Odyssey is bad or at minimum a distraction, I view as germaine to this thread. But most people never stop at one or two posts of their thoughts and then go on about their day. It akways, always, goes on for 3-5 pages of the same generic discussion that's moved on way past the actual movie.

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It's all fair discussion. It's based on the trailers and content released.

What else is there to discuss on a movie that hasn't been released yet?

Keep in mind it's a movie (loosely based at this point) of one of the oldest tales of all time.

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I think the topic of societal and political influences on entertainment is actually a great overall topic worth discussion. I'm simply saying lets put that general discussion in a separate thread instead of having a thread originally devoted to The Odyssey stop being a thread about The Odyssey and become a thread about woke influences on film. There's a point when you're not discussing The Odyssey anymore and you're just discussing "Hollywood". Differentiate between the two and keep them separare and there will be more respect for your argument.

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I agree with you that is does drag on and on, but I blame that on a handful of people who respond to any criticism of a movie's alleged virtue signaling choices with gas lighting and personal attacks, which restarts the process. "If you think this is a big deal/part of a larger pattern/is an attack on you/warrants discussion, then you're weird/an idiot/should leave" etc. That's only coming from one side, from about 4 individuals.

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Cliff my friend, why give a F***?

Everything you're posting in the above is true. You can't disagree with a certain poster without said poster turning it personal. And the more you argue the more he will claim you're a lunatic, obsessed, etc, because it's not good enough to validate his position, he must also attempt to make a mockery of you in the process.

Stop giving a F***. Say your peace, move on, adios MF. It's all inconsequential anyways.

Let me get this straight. It looks like three people:

FL_Ag1998
veryfuller
TCTTS

Three people who are objectively left-leaning who want to promote more censorship of opinions in whichever threads they choose. Not surprisingly, they are the ones who most often defend the left-leaning garbage that gets put into many movies these days and want to police a forum where thousands of people post to discuss entertainment. These three people, well maybe only one in particular, scream loudly whenever an opinion or fact is posted that they disagree with and hurl personal insults to the point where a particular thread devolves into something no longer discussing the movie, but yet they claim everyone else is the problem.

That's truly deranged.

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Let me get this straight. It looks like three people:

FL_Ag1998
veryfuller
TCTTS

Three people who are objectively left-leaning who want to promote more censorship of opinions in whichever threads they choose. Not surprisingly, they are the ones who most often defend the left-leaning garbage that gets put into many movies these days and want to police a forum where thousands of people post to discuss entertainment. These three people, well maybe only one in particular, scream loudly whenever an opinion or fact is posted that they disagree with and hurl personal insults to the point where a particular thread devolves into something no longer discussing the movie, but yet they claim everyone else is the problem.

That's truly deranged.

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Lol, dude, you're so far off. It shows how much you DON'T read this thread or this board in general if you think I'm left-leaning. You just proved that all of your posts are jokes, and either A) you're just here to get your kicks by trolling so-called meanie "left-leaning" bad guys and/or B) you have no problem talking out of your rear end.

This thread. Every time I see a flurry of new posts I get excited, thinking there's something worth talking about, only to realize it's just an internet slap fight.

FL_Ag is on the left now?

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From there, I'm obviously as guilty as anyone, re: keeping the infighting going.

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I did try to get you to calm down a few times, you just tend to get really worked up, my man.

Apparently wanting to just talk about the specific movie at hand, and not "Hollywood" as a whole makes one a socialist now, comrade.

Your attempts, however genuine, always come across very condescending. Perhaps he is misreading your tone as you are his sometimes?

Can we at least agree on this?

Nolan really fumbled. If he wanted to cast a Black actor only, here is Helen. pic.twitter.com/on1MhN9a1H

— Wellu (@Wellutwt) July 4, 2026