Who?mikejones! said:

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Keyno said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Iran has been in a constant state of conflict since 1979.

To suggest that the suggestion they are not aggressive is laughable

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It's going to blow your mind how long Israel has been in a "state of conflict". Much less the United States

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Im well aware. Of course, Israel has been surrounded by countries and people who's life mission is to eradicate Israel so its unsurprising they are often involved in conflict

The usa is a pretty aggressive nation and has been since its inception. In fact, part of america first is having the ability and gumption to exert its will through military and political power. We are a very aggressive nation

Your world doesn't exist. Theres no world where the usa doesnt push its will through military, financial or political might. Theres no world where what happens in the middle east doesnt effect what happens here, or Asia, or Europe or south america or Africa. Isolationism died many many decades ago

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'It comes from a shock at what he sees as the arrogance maybe of European countries, not just the UK, the arrogance of Nato.'@beverleyturner shares her analysis of President Donald Trump's comments on the UK's defence.

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— GB News (@GBNEWS) March 26, 2026

LMCane said:

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For those in the West too cowardly to act

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Keyno said:

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LMCane said:

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For those in the West too cowardly to act

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Uhh wait. Who are you talking to and why are you saying it like that?

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My favourite bit: how @potus calls on me to talk. 👇 👉 👈 ☝️
🤣@GBNEWS https://t.co/SmGLVumP16

— Bev Turner (@beverleyturner) March 26, 2026

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No their gains are primary and they are the only beneficiary really. The US takes out their last regional rival and competitor. I wonder if they will support us with ground troops this time (they did not in the 2003 Iraq War).

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Phatbob said:

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No their gains are primary and they are the only beneficiary really. The US takes out their last regional rival and competitor. I wonder if they will support us with ground troops this time (they did not in the 2003 Iraq War).

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The number of things you have to purposefully ignore to come to this conclusion are staggering. Your predetermination of the cause is affecting your view of Iran's actions that do not support your conclusion.

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Keyno said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Keyno said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Iran has been in a constant state of conflict since 1979.

To suggest that the suggestion they are not aggressive is laughable

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It's going to blow your mind how long Israel has been in a "state of conflict". Much less the United States

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Im well aware. Of course, Israel has been surrounded by countries and people who's life mission is to eradicate Israel so its unsurprising they are often involved in conflict

The usa is a pretty aggressive nation and has been since its inception. In fact, part of america first is having the ability and gumption to exert its will through military and political power. We are a very aggressive nation

Your world doesn't exist. Theres no world where the usa doesnt push its will through military, financial or political might. Theres no world where what happens in the middle east doesnt effect what happens here, or Asia, or Europe or south america or Africa. Isolationism died many many decades ago

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Thank you- this is the first post responding to anything I've actually said in awhile without strawmans or ad hominems.

The United States has NOT been aggressive since it's inception. The United States was basically isolationist from anything overseas until WW1. Yes, we secured our hemisphere before and after.

The problem I have now is that we have been doing forever middle east war for over 20 years on behalf of a foreign nation. We have invaded and attacked and sabatogued way more countries than Iran has.

But my biggest sadness, and I've said this before many times, is that 2015 Trump (OG MAGA like me) was against all of that.

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Multiple ships have been ordered to abort transit of the Strait of Hormuz

2 COSCO ULCCs, CSCL Indian Ocean and CSCL Arctic Ocean u-turned after the IRGC refused safe passage just days after COSCO resumed new bookings for standard containers to UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar,… pic.twitter.com/GtJkgeSeDl

— Martin Kelly (@_MartinKelly_) March 27, 2026

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Phatbob said:

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No their gains are primary and they are the only beneficiary really. The US takes out their last regional rival and competitor. I wonder if they will support us with ground troops this time (they did not in the 2003 Iraq War).

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The number of things you have to purposefully ignore to come to this conclusion are staggering. Your predetermination of the cause is affecting your view of Iran's actions that do not support your conclusion.

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One thing he and the other anti-Israel posters seem to constantly do is proclaim opinions as if they are facts. Really should just tag every one of his posts with an automatic "in my opinion" at the end of each one, as there aren't a lot of facts in any of them.

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Keyno said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Phatbob said:

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No their gains are primary and they are the only beneficiary really. The US takes out their last regional rival and competitor. I wonder if they will support us with ground troops this time (they did not in the 2003 Iraq War).

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The number of things you have to purposefully ignore to come to this conclusion are staggering. Your predetermination of the cause is affecting your view of Iran's actions that do not support your conclusion.

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One thing he and the other anti-Israel posters seem to constantly do is proclaim opinions as if they are facts. Really should just tag every one of his posts with an automatic "in my opinion" at the end of each one, as there aren't a lot of facts in any of them.

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This is called a message board. When a poster makes a point you disagree with, you are free to dispute it.

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Keyno said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Phatbob said:

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No their gains are primary and they are the only beneficiary really. The US takes out their last regional rival and competitor. I wonder if they will support us with ground troops this time (they did not in the 2003 Iraq War).

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The number of things you have to purposefully ignore to come to this conclusion are staggering. Your predetermination of the cause is affecting your view of Iran's actions that do not support your conclusion.

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One thing he and the other anti-Israel posters seem to constantly do is proclaim opinions as if they are facts. Really should just tag every one of his posts with an automatic "in my opinion" at the end of each one, as there aren't a lot of facts in any of them.

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This is called a message board. When a poster makes a point you disagree with, you are free to dispute it.

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And grossly mischaracterizes Irans compliance with the JCPOA. That idiotic agreement made by Obama that would deliver nuclear weapons to Iran.

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Hundreds of Iranian mothers are offering their babies to the Islamic Regime as human sacrifices.

If they’re willing to murder their own children for Jihad, imagine what they’ll do to ours. pic.twitter.com/dQaf8yicdD

— Samantha Smith (@SamanthaTaghoy) March 27, 2026

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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No their gains are primary and they are the only beneficiary really. The US takes out their last regional rival and competitor. I wonder if they will support us with ground troops this time (they did not in the 2003 Iraq War).

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The number of things you have to purposefully ignore to come to this conclusion are staggering. Your predetermination of the cause is affecting your view of Iran's actions that do not support your conclusion.

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One thing he and the other anti-Israel posters seem to constantly do is proclaim opinions as if they are facts. Really should just tag every one of his posts with an automatic "in my opinion" at the end of each one, as there aren't a lot of facts in any of them.

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This is called a message board. When a poster makes a point you disagree with, you are free to dispute it.

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Iran-linked hackers have publicly claimed the breach of FBI Director Kash Patel's personal inbox, publishing photographs of the director and other documents to the internet.

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Reuters was not able to independently authenticate the Patel emails, but the personal Gmail address that Handala claims to have broken into matches the address linked to Patel in previous data breaches preserved by the dark web intelligence firm District 4 Labs. A sample of the material uploaded by the hackers and reviewed by Reuters appears to show a mix of personal and work correspondence dating between 2010 and 2019.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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I think, for all intense porpoises, is that regime change can have multiple meanings.

For many of us who lived through iraq/Afghanistan, for the Dave smiths and tuckers of the world- regime change means protracted conflict with thousands of boots on the ground, where we tear down a country and attempt to rebuild it in our image.

I dont think it means the same for Trump, even if that were the stated reason for this action, which its not.

It might be for Israel and those to blinded by their Israel delusions are likely to misread the situation. The 14 point deal the usa is allegedly pursuing is clearly not one overly pro Israeli. Theres already reports out of Israel of their dismay

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MagnumLoad said:

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Is that video of a recent event?

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YouBet said:

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Seems more likely than not that ground forces will be in play shortly to me. If so, this topic is going to be VERY loud in the coming days. Especially if casualties come from it and the manner in which they do. America is not ready for their sons and daughters to be on the wrong end of an FPV feed.

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Won't change much. Either party is so locked into their groupthink at this point that literally nothing in the world matters.

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I beg to differ. "Boots on the ground" is a special status, even to your average joe on the street. I can even tell you most people don't even directly care about the war as is, right now. They may have an opinion but they won't expound on it endlessly or think about it as they fall asleep. Ground troops will force that extremely frustrating phrase back into a LOT of people's minds though. "Back in another ME ground war..."

I think it would be a political mess unseen yet in this term.

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Yep, if we put boots on the ground on Iranian mainland and soldiers start dying his approval rating will fall to 10% or less and you will start seeing impeachment proceedings (valid or not) if he doesn't abort that mission rapidly.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Seems more likely than not that ground forces will be in play shortly to me. If so, this topic is going to be VERY loud in the coming days. Especially if casualties come from it and the manner in which they do. America is not ready for their sons and daughters to be on the wrong end of an FPV feed.

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Won't change much. Either party is so locked into their groupthink at this point that literally nothing in the world matters.

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I beg to differ. "Boots on the ground" is a special status, even to your average joe on the street. I can even tell you most people don't even directly care about the war as is, right now. They may have an opinion but they won't expound on it endlessly or think about it as they fall asleep. Ground troops will force that extremely frustrating phrase back into a LOT of people's minds though. "Back in another ME ground war..."

I think it would be a political mess unseen yet in this term.

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Sure could go this way. But if troops are used only at Karg Island that is, almost, an different thing. A big part of me thinks Ven and to a significant degree, Iran, are pawns in the great power struggle between rare-earth loaded China and oil loaded USA.

Iran is a twofer- get rid of and punish the Islamic terror state and gain control of the PG shipping routes. This gives the US a bunch of leverage against China and its rare earth saber rattling. The angst over Greenland is also a part of this.

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I agree. I think theres a broader strategy here isolating china and, to a lesser degree, russia. Thats why your going to see their main useful allies of Iran, Venezuela and cuba all brought down and replaced with more friendly govts.


Acquiring greenland hasn't gone away either, as its a key strategic point for global shipping, space control, and minerals.

This is about controlling energy, isolating our biggest rivals, and resetting our power position on the global stage.

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4stringAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Eliminatus said:

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FWTXAg said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Seems more likely than not that ground forces will be in play shortly to me. If so, this topic is going to be VERY loud in the coming days. Especially if casualties come from it and the manner in which they do. America is not ready for their sons and daughters to be on the wrong end of an FPV feed.

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Won't change much. Either party is so locked into their groupthink at this point that literally nothing in the world matters.

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I beg to differ. "Boots on the ground" is a special status, even to your average joe on the street. I can even tell you most people don't even directly care about the war as is, right now. They may have an opinion but they won't expound on it endlessly or think about it as they fall asleep. Ground troops will force that extremely frustrating phrase back into a LOT of people's minds though. "Back in another ME ground war..."

I think it would be a political mess unseen yet in this term.

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Yep, if we put boots on the ground on Iranian mainland and soldiers start dying his approval rating will fall to 10% or less and you will start seeing impeachment proceedings (valid or not) if he doesn't abort that mission rapidly.

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I'm resigned to the fact that the midterms will already go to the Dems, it usually does with the party out of power and the Republicans in Congress have fumbled the ball on the SAVE act and other things irrespective of what Trump is doing in Iran or doing/not doing domestically. Because of that, they will start impeachment proceedings anyway over ICE and other things, not to mention Iran.

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