Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

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Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

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Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

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Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

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Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

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Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

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Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

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Bro, I am supposed to get excited about BiBi wanting leadership in Iran to be something other than the one who has called the world to eliminate every last Jew and the state of Israel?

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

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Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

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Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

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Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

---

Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

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Bro, I am supposed to get excited about BiBi wanting leadership in Iran to be something other than the one who has called the world to eliminate every last Jew and the state of Israel?

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Yeah, I know it excites you. And that is fine. But don't come at me saying it's some "Jewish conspiracy" when Netanyahu has been calling for it for decades. I don't appreciate that and I have tried to be respectful with you.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Its irrelevant. Thats the point.

If iran chooses to not take our terms because they think Israel will continue to bomb them, thats their problem. In that case, both the usa and Israel will continue to bomb them until theres no choice for them to make.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

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Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

---

Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

---

Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

---

Bro, I am supposed to get excited about BiBi wanting leadership in Iran to be something other than the one who has called the world to eliminate every last Jew and the state of Israel?

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Yeah, I know it excites you. And that is fine. But don't come at me saying it's some "Jewish conspiracy" when Netanyahu has been calling for it for decades. I don't appreciate that and I have tried to be respectful with you.

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You are making zero sense. Israel wants regime change in Iran is a grand revelation? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together between their ears understands regime change is the only lasting outcome for peace with Iran. It's why the JCPOA was monumentally naive and poorly conceived.

It's why Trumps objectives are very clearly. No nukes, ever. No enrichment, ever. Give us every speck of nuclear test.

If not, bombings will continue until morale improves.

Why folks need to work in Israel wanting regime change as anything other than an obvious outcome is just bizarre
To me.

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BQ78 said:

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Wanting regime change does not mean the US or Israel have aggressive ambitions in the Middle East. Are you predicting Israel needs Lebensraum?

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

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Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

---

Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

---

Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

---

Bro, I am supposed to get excited about BiBi wanting leadership in Iran to be something other than the one who has called the world to eliminate every last Jew and the state of Israel?

---

Yeah, I know it excites you. And that is fine. But don't come at me saying it's some "Jewish conspiracy" when Netanyahu has been calling for it for decades. I don't appreciate that and I have tried to be respectful with you.

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You are making zero sense. Israel wants regime change in Iran is a grand revelation? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together between their ears understands regime change is the only lasting outcome for peace with Iran. It's why the JCPOA was monumentally naive and poorly conceived.

It's why Trumps objectives are very clearly. No nukes, ever. No enrichment, ever. Give us every speck of nuclear test.

If not, bombings will continue until morale improves.

Why folks need to work in Israel wanting regime change as anything other than an obvious outcome is just bizarre
To me.

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No its not a grand revelation. It is the reason Iran is not going to unconditional surrender to us. It would leave them totally defenseless. Remember when you asked me how I know what Iran will or will not agree to (and asked for evidence)? I have been trying to explain it to you (clearly unsuccessfully).

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

---

Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

---

Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

---

Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

---

Bro, I am supposed to get excited about BiBi wanting leadership in Iran to be something other than the one who has called the world to eliminate every last Jew and the state of Israel?

---

Yeah, I know it excites you. And that is fine. But don't come at me saying it's some "Jewish conspiracy" when Netanyahu has been calling for it for decades. I don't appreciate that and I have tried to be respectful with you.

---

You are making zero sense. Israel wants regime change in Iran is a grand revelation? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together between their ears understands regime change is the only lasting outcome for peace with Iran. It's why the JCPOA was monumentally naive and poorly conceived.

It's why Trumps objectives are very clearly. No nukes, ever. No enrichment, ever. Give us every speck of nuclear test.

If not, bombings will continue until morale improves.

Why folks need to work in Israel wanting regime change as anything other than an obvious outcome is just bizarre
To me.

---

No its not a grand revelation. It is the reason Iran is not going to unconditional surrender to us. It would leave them totally defenseless. Remember when you asked me how I know what Iran will or will not agree to (and asked for evidence)? I have been trying to explain it to you (clearly unsuccessfully).

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You seem to be convinced of that. I am not.

What are you not understanding?

---

Do you understand the concept of grand strategy? Do you understand that Israel has wanted Iran neutralized for decades? Because they have regional ambitions and Iran is in the way of that. What happens if Iran agrees to all our terms (unconditional surrender is what Trump called it once)? Iran is disarmed and their air space opens. Then Israel just bombs them at will (see Syria).

---

Sorry, forgot it was all bout The Jews. I think I see the misconnect.

No I don't think BiBi is assembling the 12 tribes for great Armageddon between the children of Abraham.

Can we consolidate all the Jewish conspiracy theories into one thread so as not to derail all others on the "it's The Jews" narrative being pushed daily by a select few?

---

Bro- Netanyahu has been calling for regime change in Iran for decades. Are you not aware of that? You just got done writing a screed about how well informed you are.

---

Bro, I am supposed to get excited about BiBi wanting leadership in Iran to be something other than the one who has called the world to eliminate every last Jew and the state of Israel?

---

Yeah, I know it excites you. And that is fine. But don't come at me saying it's some "Jewish conspiracy" when Netanyahu has been calling for it for decades. I don't appreciate that and I have tried to be respectful with you.

---

You are making zero sense. Israel wants regime change in Iran is a grand revelation? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together between their ears understands regime change is the only lasting outcome for peace with Iran. It's why the JCPOA was monumentally naive and poorly conceived.

It's why Trumps objectives are very clearly. No nukes, ever. No enrichment, ever. Give us every speck of nuclear test.

If not, bombings will continue until morale improves.

Why folks need to work in Israel wanting regime change as anything other than an obvious outcome is just bizarre
To me.

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No its not a grand revelation. It is the reason Iran is not going to unconditional surrender to us. It would leave them totally defenseless. Remember when you asked me how I know what Iran will or will not agree to (and asked for evidence)? I have been trying to explain it to you (clearly unsuccessfully).

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I don't think you understand the concept of "unconditional surrender". Perhaps that's the issue.

You are not explaining anything. You are saying that you believe that Iran is bargaining from some sort of position of leverage. It's fine you think that and it's fine you think that means boots on the ground or we fail to achieve objectives you claim to understand.

What is being explained to you is that unconditional surrender means just that. They get to set none of their own conditions. Period.

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BQ78 said:

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They've already achieved the status of the greatest regional power..

Saying because some fringe Israelis want more land is akin to like saying America wants Communism because we have Antifa types.

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MagnumLoad said:

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Yeah, for some reason no one is talking about the 60% enriched U anymore. That seems strange to me. Maybe Iran moved it into a population center.

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FIDO_Ags said:

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In reality, I think this is simply him adjusting to the current outcome and reality of where they are in the conflict. Which is exactly how he typically operates

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That's just spin. AirPower alone has never won a war. If he thought that Iranians were going to rise up and overthrow the govt, then that was a miscalculation.

Maybe rank and file Iranians will rise up, but that is yet to be determined, and if they do, there will most likely be a civil war as factions fight for control which at some point will require boots on the ground.

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OldArmy71 said:

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I did not vote for a ground war with Iran.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Okay. No one would force us to do anything. We might choose to do so, but we're the ones calling the shots.

It appears there might be some limited engagement from ground forces, probably along the islands and coasts from where anti ship missles and drones are launched. I've got absolutely no problem with that.

Or, we just continue an air war and decapitation strikes until a leader emerges who doesnt want to die for the cause.


All that- what Israel wants outta this conflict and what the usa want outta this conflict are not the same and that is reflected in 14 point plan we gave.

Much to your and others dismay, Israel is indeed not calling the shots nor is this Israel's war we jumped into. It is mutually beneficial.

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OldArmy71 said:

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I did not vote for a ground war with Iran.

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Phatbob said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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I did not vote for a ground war with Iran.

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If it was up to a vote, we would never go to war ever. We vote for people to make those decisions for us. Republic, not democracy.

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Keyno said:

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Given a legit casus belli, Americans will absolutely support war. We do not have that in this case.

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NoahAg said:

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Worth watching.

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Slicer97 said:

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Keyno said:

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Given a legit casus belli, Americans will absolutely support war. We do not have that in this case.

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A regime that shouts "Death to America", funds terror cells, and is seeking to become a nuclear power seems like a pretty good case.

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Keyno said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Okay. No one would force us to do anything. We might choose to do so, but we're the ones calling the shots.

It appears there might be some limited engagement from ground forces, probably along the islands and coasts from where anti ship missles and drones are launched. I've got absolutely no problem with that.

Or, we just continue an air war and decapitation strikes until a leader emerges who doesnt want to die for the cause.


All that- what Israel wants outta this conflict and what the usa want outta this conflict are not the same and that is reflected in 14 point plan we gave.

Much to your and others dismay, Israel is indeed not calling the shots nor is this Israel's war we jumped into. It is mutually beneficial.

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I know it's reassuring to think "we are the ones calling the shots", but unfortunately we are being led.

Yes there is going to be "limited engagement from ground forces" (that's always the best way to sell it).

This is Israel's war unfortunately. What's in the best interests for THE UNITED STATES is regional stability. Under the JCPOA, we had something like that with Iran. And the Israeli's HATED Obama for making that deal. Wars and toppling regimes does the opposite of regional stability. What is in ISRAELS best interest is regional dominance with no enemies or competitors. It is not "mutually beneficial" whatsoever.

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Keyno said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Keyno said:

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Given a legit casus belli, Americans will absolutely support war. We do not have that in this case.

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A regime that shouts "Death to America", funds terror cells, and is seeking to become a nuclear power seems like a pretty good case.

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The "Death to America" chant is not a casus belli and if you understood the history and meaning of the phrase, that much is clear. The funding of "terror cells" (Hezbollah and Hamas) is certainly a threat to Israel. They have a legit casus belli absolutely. The "seeking to become a nuclear power", was not occurring according to IAEA inspectors. These claims come entirely from foreign intelligence. Much like the "Saddam has WMDs" thing.

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