******San Antonio Spurs 2011-2012******

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MassAggie97
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2:43p, 5/8/12
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Show me the GM that takes Lebron over Kobe in the clutch

One of my favorite Simplebay tactics. "Show me the 'completely untestable/unproveable theory X'".

Here's one for you Simplebay: Show me a GM in the league that thinks the San Antonio Spurs are beatable right now.
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2:53p, 5/8/12
tbird. game set and match.
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2:54p, 5/8/12
simplebay is absolutely BLINDED by his hatred of daddy. poor ****ing chimp just doesn't know any better.
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2:58p, 5/8/12
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poor ****ing chimp just doesn't know any better.


Normally, I think it's in poor taste to mock the retarded. In Simple's case, I'll make an exception.
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4:17p, 5/8/12
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because your idiocy knows no bounds, ill post it here too

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Lets pretend that Chris Paul isn't predicted to finish higher in the MVP voting this year than Parker, and wasn't last year either:

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1 -- LeBron James
2 -- Kevin Durant
3 -- Kobe Bryant
4 -- Chris Paul


http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2011-12/index.html

How about their career stats:

Paul-18.8ppg, 2.4spg, 9.8apg, 4.5rpg, 85% FT, 36% 3pt, 47% FG
Rookie of the year, 5x All Star, 3 All NBA team appearances, Defensive 1st team, 4x steals leader

Parker- 16.8ppg, 1.0spg, 5.9apg, 3.0rpg, 74% FT, 31% 3pt, 49% FG
4x All Star, 1 All NBA team appearance, 0 defensive first teams, no other major nba leader awards won.

Paul literally dominates Parker in almost all major statistical categories.

Chris Paul > > > > Tony Parker

or as you may say, game set match.
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4:23p, 5/8/12
You're right simple. Stats that go back to 2003 will, without a doubt, demonstrate which player will have a bigger impact in this series played in 2012.
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4:24p, 5/8/12
I know you're just trolling, but Jesus. At least make it quasi-intelligent
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4:26p, 5/8/12
Career stats that don't include 3 championships and a finals mvp
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8:46p, 5/8/12
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11:26p, 5/8/12
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Duncan just 17 blocks away from the playoff block record.
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9:44a, 5/9/12
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I think Chris Paul is a more talented PG than Tony Parker. However, I also think Parker has hybrid skills that don't show up in the statistics, so the stats don't tell the whole story.

Chris Paul's teams have all been centered on him as the facilitator/initiator of the offense. The Spurs have more of a motion-style offense where the ball moves through everybody's hands to find a shot. Whereas Parker's skill is to penetrate and dish, Paul is asked to hold the ball for longer into possessions.

Parker's career stats have also been influenced by the fact that he has had more talent around him, and hasn't had to shoulder the load the way Paul does.

For me, it boils down to this: if you need a guy who is going to create and facilitate for 48 minutes, and basically run your team from start to stop, you want Chris Paul. Paul is probably the best PG in the league at seeing 2 plays ahead and initiating ball movement in the right direction to get a wide-open shot. He'll make a pass that is intended to free up a shooter who is two-passes away from the shot.

If you want a guy who's going to be a steady cog in an offensive machine, and go off for 16 points in 8 minutes when you really need it, you want Parker. Parker is probably the best PG in the league getting to the rim and finishing and/or finding the open man, and the more pressure the situation, the better he seems to get at doing it.
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11:59a, 5/9/12
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Paul: 19.8ppg, .479FG, 9 assists, 2.1TOs
Parker: 18.3ppg, .480FG, 7.7assists, 2.6TOs

Paul is the better distributor (which we knew). He is also a better outside shooter.

Parker is one of the best pure scorers in the entire NBA at any position. He doesn't get 30 points/night because the Spurs have so many offensive weapons, but he had no problem going for 40 multiple times this year when Pop was shorthanded and needed Parker to step up.


Don't forget that Parker got those very similar numbers while playing 8 less minutes a game...
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2:39p, 5/9/12
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This kind of reminds me of the KG vs Duncan threads a few years back. KG clearly had the talent but Duncan had the rings and the refined game. All of the Big 3 for the Spurs have sacrificed stats for the team. Pop starts looking for every chance to pull his starters at the beginning of the year and in every game.

If the argument is who is the more talented player that is more likely to light up the stat sheet, Paul wins. If the argument is who do you want to lead your team in a playoff series, Parker wins. NBA history is littered with super talented players that never could get their team over the hump and cratered in the playoffs.



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2:55p, 5/9/12
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If the argument is who do you want to lead your team in a playoff series, Parker wins.


if Paul was on this spurs team instead of Parker, they would probably be the odds on favorite to win the next 3 titles
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3:06p, 5/9/12
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if Paul was on this spurs team instead of Parker, they would probably be the odds on favorite to win the next 3 titles


Yea, who would think someone who has never been past the second round of the playoffs could lead a team better than a former Finals MVP...I mean we saw all too well how that played out in 2008...I mean Parker has only what, roughly 5X as many minutes of playoff basketball as Paul?

Paul is a great player, but quit acting like he is light years better than Parker. To do so is disingenuous and flat out stupid, but I must admit, mildly amusing given your effort to discredit one of the league's elite.
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3:10p, 5/9/12
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Chris Paul is a great regular season point guard. One of the best, even.
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3:21p, 5/9/12
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Simple,

Clearly that is true. After all every time the NBA has had a team with lots of talent put together they always win the title just like Miami did last year.

There is still only one basketball on the court at any given time and it takes a team to win. A team is about a lot more than just talent, it is about coaching, chemistry, and a winning attitude. Chris Paul has never stepped up big when it counted most, Parker has never known anything but competing for the big prize.
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3:36p, 5/9/12
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Most talent on a team always wins!

Just ask the 99 Lakers or 99 Blazers. The 06 Mavericks. The 07 Mavericks. The 05 Suns. The 02 Kings. The 11 Heat.
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3:39p, 5/9/12
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Don't forget the '04 Lakers on that list!
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3:40p, 5/9/12
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If the argument is who do you want to lead your team in a playoff series, Parker wins. NBA history is littered with super talented players that never could get their team over the hump and cratered in the playoffs.
So ridiculous. You would always take Paul in all circumstances, unless you're making a different argument on salary/roster structure, in which Parker is properly allocated as a non-max player.

How well has Parker led his team in the playoffs when Ginobili and/or Duncan was injured? No better than Paul. Parker wins in the playoffs when he's the 3rd wheel and has 2 other Hall of Famers in their prime along with top notch veteran role players. Let's see what happens this year.


[This message has been edited by InternetFan02 (edited 5/9/2012 2:41p).]
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3:49p, 5/9/12
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You guys crack me up...we aren't comparing John Stockon to Avery Johnson here.

Both players are of the elite of the NBA at their position. Paul has the accolades of Texags posters, Parker has the hardware. Anyone would be an idiot to turn down Paul, but the same could be said for turning down Parker.

And Tony was anything but a third wheel on the 2007 Championship team...
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4:23p, 5/9/12
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You can't go wrong with either guy, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzmDXX3nrn0
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4:39p, 5/9/12
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And Tony was anything but a third wheel on the 2007 Championship team...


Beat me to it. Grasping at straws now.
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4:43p, 5/9/12
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The third wheel with his Finals MVP trophy
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4:43p, 5/9/12
This is all moot, all of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzQ9lszhP10
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5:47p, 5/9/12
What does their stat comparison look like per 48, rather than per game?
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5:53p, 5/9/12
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Per 36 minutes:
Parker:
20.5p
8.5a
3.2r
.480fg%

Paul:
19.6p
9.0a
3.5r
.478fg%
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5:54p, 5/9/12
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ah so the argument that "if Parker was as good as Paul, he'd be as good as Paul"

makes total sense.
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Enzo The Baker
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5:55p, 5/9/12
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And just think, Jamal Tinsley was supposed to have the better career.
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5:59p, 5/9/12
So the numbers even suggest Paul is at best parkers equal. Interesting.
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6:05p, 5/9/12
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Playoffs:
Paul: 20.9/7.7 per 36 minutes
Parker 23.1/7.1 per 36 minutes
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6:06p, 5/9/12
Parker haters pwned.
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Simplebay
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6:28p, 5/9/12
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again, these are not actually Parker's numbers

and i've shown you Chris Paul actual, these happened career numbers dominate Parker's. and Paul is having a meh season and Parker probably will never have a better individual season.

sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
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6:33p, 5/9/12
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I remember years ago everyone was begging for Jason Kidd over Parker. Thought they were crazy then.

I like Chris Paul as well. Iif you think that series is going to come down to just those two you are wrong. I am a spurs fan but I think you need to decide who are you going to put on Griffin? Diaw? Blair? Duncan will draw Jordan.

In the end, I think the spurs bench wins the series.
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6:41p, 5/9/12
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Paul is having a meh season and Parker probably will never have a better individual season.

Chris Paul had his highest PER in years this year. Parker's numbers are pretty similar to every other season he has had since 2006 when he learned his teardrop with the exception of 2010 when he was injured half the season.

Parker Per:
06: 20.8
07: 21.4
08: 20.0
09: 23.4
11: 20.4
12: 22.0
So his average over those 6 years is 21.33 and his season this year was 22.0. Not exactly an outlier to have a PER .667 over your 6 year average.

In fact, Tony's FG% was his lowest since 2004 - two years before Paul was even in the league. His 3fg% was the lowest of his career. This year, Tony had his 5th best PPG total of his career.

Clearly, Tony Parker had a year that trumps every other year of his career.
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