***** 2025-2026 San Antonio Spurs Thread *****

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And this is why you don't give up all your assets for a 31yo player that has already played nearly 30,000 minutes in 900 games and relies entirely on his insane athleticism.
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And this is why you don't give up all your assets for a 31yo player that has already played nearly 30,000 minutes in 900 games and relies entirely on his insane athleticism.


I'm calling it now, a Giannis trade is going to end up looking a lot more like the Kawhi trade than the PG13 trade. Someone will want him, and it gives you a 2-3 year championship window with him, but just figuring out how to fit a 60 million dollar contract and keep some competitive pieces around him is going to be tough.

Milwaukee's best option might end up being like a Towns for Giannis swap with protected picks. Or maybe take some terrible contracts if they want some real compensation. Like maybe take Embiid or PG13's contract from Philly and they give you 4 picks, but a team of Maxey, Edgecombe and Giannis probably means those are all late picks.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6993948/2026/01/23/nba-midseason-grades-thunder-pistons-the-bounce/

Mid-Season Report Card:

Biggest West storyline: Are the Thunder vulnerable? The first-quarter storyline was all about whether the Thunder would have the best season ever. Then the Spurs brought them back down to earth in December. Now, Oklahoma City looks a lot more human and doesn't quite put that fear into everybody, despite still being awesome.

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And this is why you don't give up all your assets for a 31yo player that has already played nearly 30,000 minutes in 900 games and relies entirely on his insane athleticism.


I'm calling it now, a Giannis trade is going to end up looking a lot more like the Kawhi trade than the PG13 trade. Someone will want him, and it gives you a 2-3 year championship window with him, but just figuring out how to fit a 60 million dollar contract and keep some competitive pieces around him is going to be tough.

Milwaukee's best option might end up being like a Towns for Giannis swap with protected picks. Or maybe take some terrible contracts if they want some real compensation. Like maybe take Embiid or PG13's contract from Philly and they give you 4 picks, but a team of Maxey, Edgecombe and Giannis probably means those are all late picks.

Knicks just dont have any picks to trade.

Knicks have:
2026 (cant trade, can only swap, which is useless to MIL)
2026 Washington - protected 1-8 then expires, will not convey)
2027 - no picks
2028 - Worst of Knicks or Nets, cannot trade it, can only swap it again.
2029 - no picks
2030 - Knicks pick, cannot trade it, can only swap it
2031 - no picks
2032 - Knicks pick, cannot trade it, can only swap it

The only pick they can trade is Washington's top 8 protected 1st this year, which won't convey.

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I think the Philly deal could work, I heard Simmons talk about that. He suggested VJ Edgecomb, Paul George and the 2029 76ers/Clippers swap 1st for Giannis and Gary Harris.

Simmons also said that LA should just trade Luka for Giannis and then pay Reaves. Try to make one last run this year with Reaves+Giannis+LeBron.

I think Milwaukee needs to just get off everything like my big mega trade last week and try to send him to the Hawks and tie in Portland and take on the Jerami Grant contract to get the swaps back, but still lose out on that 1st they sent. Then they mostly get control of their own assets to tank and they get two bites at this draft, which is the biggest thing.
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Giannis out with another calf strain now.
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Running out of games for Dom Barlow.
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And this is why you don't give up all your assets for a 31yo player that has already played nearly 30,000 minutes in 900 games and relies entirely on his insane athleticism.


I'm calling it now, a Giannis trade is going to end up looking a lot more like the Kawhi trade than the PG13 trade. Someone will want him, and it gives you a 2-3 year championship window with him, but just figuring out how to fit a 60 million dollar contract and keep some competitive pieces around him is going to be tough.

Milwaukee's best option might end up being like a Towns for Giannis swap with protected picks. Or maybe take some terrible contracts if they want some real compensation. Like maybe take Embiid or PG13's contract from Philly and they give you 4 picks, but a team of Maxey, Edgecombe and Giannis probably means those are all late picks.

Knicks just dont have any picks to trade.

Knicks have:
2026 (cant trade, can only swap, which is useless to MIL)
2026 Washington - protected 1-8 then expires, will not convey)
2027 - no picks
2028 - Worst of Knicks or Nets, cannot trade it, can only swap it again.
2029 - no picks
2030 - Knicks pick, cannot trade it, can only swap it
2031 - no picks
2032 - Knicks pick, cannot trade it, can only swap it

The only pick they can trade is Washington's top 8 protected 1st this year, which won't convey.

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I think the Philly deal could work, I heard Simmons talk about that. He suggested VJ Edgecomb, Paul George and the 2029 76ers/Clippers swap 1st for Giannis and Gary Harris.

Simmons also said that LA should just trade Luka for Giannis and then pay Reaves. Try to make one last run this year with Reaves+Giannis+LeBron.

I think Milwaukee needs to just get off everything like my big mega trade last week and try to send him to the Hawks and tie in Portland and take on the Jerami Grant contract to get the swaps back, but still lose out on that 1st they sent. Then they mostly get control of their own assets to tank and they get two bites at this draft, which is the biggest thing.


Value wise Milwaukee has to ask for Edgecombe but I think it's going to end up being an issue of leverage, and I think Milwaukee is going to be in a weak position here. Every Giannis injury ups the risk factor, and as mentioned only a few teams can match the salary to make this work. Maybe there are some 4-5 team combos that help reroute salary, but that also kills your leverage as you beg a team to help you match salary.

The only contending teams this year that I could see logically being interested in a Giannis trade are

NY (If they do it in the summer NY has another unprotected 1st they can trade)

Philly (I'd do it as long as I hang onto Edgecombe)

Portland (not sure if they can match the salary)

Atlanta (Matching becomes harder here also, but a clear fit with Johnson, NAW and Daniels for a long athletic team, they are probably better off holding though and letting Milwaukee tank and using those picks themselves to build around Johnson and Daniels)

Toronto (Quickley, Ingram and picks maybe? Gets you a Barnes, Giannis, Barrett core)

Past those teams, you have the crap teams like Charlotte, Washington, Utah, Brooklyn etc that do have the pick capital and could just send bad contracts plus picks.

All that to say, I think at the end of the day it's Philly, and it's either Embiid or PG13 plus 3 picks.
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Value wise Milwaukee has to ask for Edgecombe but I think it's going to end up being an issue of leverage, and I think Milwaukee is going to be in a weak position here. Every Giannis injury ups the risk factor, and as mentioned only a few teams can match the salary to make this work. Maybe there are some 4-5 team combos that help reroute salary, but that also kills your leverage as you beg a team to help you match salary.


If Philly wants to win now and they only have to give a single pick and Edgecomb to turn PG13 into Giannis, I think that is pretty good value, especially with how Embiid is playing. The counter to that is Embiid and Giannis are going to take up a ton of the same space. Maxey, Grimes, Oubre, Giannis, Embiid should be the favorites for the East.

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The only contending teams this year that I could see logically being interested in a Giannis trade are

NY (If they do it in the summer NY has another unprotected 1st they can trade)


They will only have one 1st and the butt end of some swaps and that first will be way too far off. They would have to hope that they could reroute OG Anunoby, Bridges, and/or KAT for more picks for that trade.

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Philly (I'd do it as long as I hang onto Edgecombe)


There's just no way I take on PG13's contract without massive draft capital or a legit good player like VJ. Give me the Clippers 28 and Clippers/76ers 29 picks as a very early starting point just on PG13's contract without taking into account selling Giannis.

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Portland (not sure if they can match the salary)


They can a couple ways. Picks + Jrue+Jerami+Thybulle for Giannis, Thannisis, and Kuzma. But then Milwaukee takes on Jrue and Grant's awful contracts. Also they could do Picks+Jerami+TimeLord+Thybulle for Giannis+Thannsis+Taurean Prince.


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Atlanta (Matching becomes harder here also, but a clear fit with Johnson, NAW and Daniels for a long athletic team, they are probably better off holding though and letting Milwaukee tank and using those picks themselves to build around Johnson and Daniels)

Matching is easy for Atlanta. Giannis+TA+minimum for Kristaps+Risacher+Asa Newell+Picks. I would also want to use the NO pick, but this is the deal I go to if I am Milwaukee, because then Milwaukee can have their own pick and NO's pick this summer, which is a really good chance of two top 4 picks in a great draft class. Plus you get Risacher/Asa and get off all the salary with Kristaps.

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Toronto (Quickley, Ingram and picks maybe? Gets you a Barnes, Giannis, Barrett core)

I just don't want to take on Quickley or Ingram if I am rebuilding. They have all their own picks, but I am not super excited about them. Better be a lot of picks. Quickley is a negative value contract.


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Past those teams, you have the crap teams like Charlotte, Washington, Utah, Brooklyn etc that do have the pick capital and could just send bad contracts plus picks.


Charlotte can actually match salary with just Miles Bridges and Sexton for Giannis+Thannisis. The question is would Milwaukee want Ball? Seems like an ideal tank commander. They also have extra picks of dubious value (Dallas 27, Miami, etc)

Wizards could do Tre Johnson, Malaki Branham and Khris for the brothers. Then sell out lots of picks. Sarr, Giannis, Bilal, KyShawn, Trae.

Nets could actually do picks + Cam Thomas + MPJ for the brothers. Then Milwaukee has a good trade asset in MPJ.

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All that to say, I think at the end of the day it's Philly, and it's either Embiid or PG13 plus 3 picks.

I think Atlanta is it if they will give up the Pelicans pick. I'm not sure I would if I am Atlanta, but also the draft gods hate them and their owners suck so get the sure thing? Giannis, Okongwu, Johnson, NAW, Dyson, CJ is a really good team. They still suck so bad on defense outside Giannis and Dyson.

How about this: Giannis, Thannsis, Jerico Sims, and Trent for Hartenstein, Wiggins, Kenrich, Jaylin and picks. OKC now has SGA, Giannis, Chet, JDub, Caruso, Dort, Joe, and Cason Wallace.

Houston: Jabari, FVV (team option next year), DFS (one more guaranteed year), Tari Eason and picks for the brothers. Houston has the 2027 Brooklyn 1st and the 2027 Phoenix 1st plus two most favorable picks of 2029 in Dallas, Houston, Phoenix. Then Houston has Sengun, Giannis, Durant, Amen, Sheppard, Okogie.

Jazz can't easily make salaries work without including Lauri.

If I am Milwaukee, the only route I want is that Hawks pick and Kristaps ending cap unless someone wants to go super heavy on good picks, but only a few teams can really do that.

The off the wall one from Bill Simmons is what if the Lakers moved Luka for Giannis, kept Reaves and tried to win with Giannis, LeBron, and Reaves this year. Giannis is the only two-way player the Mavs should have considered if that's what they wanted.
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That would be a massive win for New Orleans so no way it happens. Later tweet says Memphis wants a 1st, too and NOLA won't budge.
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I hope he is ok, drwe barrymore never recovered from that disease
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In discussions with the Spurs, the Knicks have inquired about 2022 ninth overall pick Jeremy Sochan, sources said. Sochan is in the final year of his rookie contract and will be a restricted free agent in the summer. His defensive versatility at either forward position and slashing abilities on offense would fit in with New York's style of play.

Although Sochan has been out of the Spurs' rotation, there has been internal pushback in San Antonio to the idea of trading him, sources said. The Spurs still value Sochan's presence and have yet to indicate they will actually trade him before this year's deadline. While San Antonio does hold interest in adding more frontcourt help behind star big man Victor Wembanyama, Yabusele is no longer as high on the target list.

Yabu+Dadiet for Sochan would add about 9M in guaranteed contracts next year for two non-rotation players. Hard pass without an unprotected swap on your 2032 1st.
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Vassell and Kornet are playing tonight
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THE_CHOSEN_ONE said:

Vassell and Kornet are playing tonight

And McLaughlin! He was questionable!

Devin is coming off the bench.

When Devin is ready to start, Julian should replace Barnes in the starting lineup.

Wemby-Julian-Devin-Castle-Fox
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Guitarsoup said:

THE_CHOSEN_ONE said:

Vassell and Kornet are playing tonight

And McLaughlin! He was questionable!

Devin is coming off the bench.

When Devin is ready to start, Julian should replace Barnes in the starting lineup.

Wemby-Julian-Devin-Castle-Fox

Agree with this completely. Let's see if Mitch has the stones to do it. I honestly don't know if I like Carter or Barnes playing a bench 3 role more.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

THE_CHOSEN_ONE said:

Vassell and Kornet are playing tonight

And McLaughlin! He was questionable!

Devin is coming off the bench.

When Devin is ready to start, Julian should replace Barnes in the starting lineup.

Wemby-Julian-Devin-Castle-Fox

Agree with this completely. Let's see if Mitch has the stones to do it. I honestly don't know if I like Carter or Barnes playing a bench 3 role more.

I doubt it. Tonight will be Barnes 349th consecutive game and consecutive start.

Let him get to 350 and then end it.

Bridges is at 600 consecutive games. You need 530 to get to top 20 all time. No clue on consecutive starts needed, but who cares if you have no shot at getting top ten. Barnes is turning 34 this year and has 1100 total games including playoffs. Do we really think he has another 300 starts in him? Lets be real Mitch.

Barnes isn't gettin there ever. Thanks for the hard work and all, but he needs to be a 15-20min guy off the bench.
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This is ugly. Getting foul calls (but not goaltends) but cant put the ball in the hoop.

Letting Missi dominate the glass is inexcusable.
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Not the best half of the season.
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Hey, Mitch, why don't you actually coach some and tell Wemby to stop guarding Zion 20' from the basket?
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I dont get to see many games (seeing this one on Gulf Sports network) but...am I crazy or does Fox just not get any/much run at the point? That seems not ideal.
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Extremely lazy play. Lazy passing, very lazy on rebounds, lazy defense. Pop would be ripping into some players. Mitch will check on their minutes.
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superunknown said:

I dont get to see many games (seeing this one on Gulf Sports network) but...am I crazy or does Fox just not get any/much run at the point? That seems not ideal.


When him and Castle are on the court at the same time it's been better for Castle to run point.
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superunknown said:

I dont get to see many games (seeing this one on Gulf Sports network) but...am I crazy or does Fox just not get any/much run at the point? That seems not ideal.

Depends on the matchup. Usually Castle takes it because Fox will draw the best defender and Castle can't shoot off ball. Fox can draw the best defender off to weak side and Castle can work against worse defenders.

We see it happen some with Harper on the 2nd team, Keldon ends up running the offense (by that I mean driving and shooting) because Harper draws the better defender and Keldon gets the mismatch.

Crunch time we have been doing more Fox/Wemby two-man and that has worked really well.
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We have no interest in rebounding tonight
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So no answers for the worst team in the league. Pathetic ass showing.
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Average Joe said:

Hey, Mitch, why don't you actually coach some and tell Wemby to stop guarding Zion 20' from the basket?


He's a feelings guy. And he can't offend Wemby. Beta coach who will never lead us anywhere.
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I'm glad Devin is back. I've been wondering if Castle was getting more PG minutes if PATFO was just trying to level him up (if that makes sense) and deal with the growing pains. Frustrating as hell when I want to be watching win more than I want to watch them grow.

I'm not sure how much of an identity we have on offense other than Wemby ball. Hopefully getting Devin back opens up the offense more. We desperately need outside shooting, Julian cant do it all.
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What does our assistant who does replay review look at? They ball was off Pelicans clear as day on replay and we didnt challenge.

What a ****ing loser.
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superunknown said:

I'm glad Devin is back. I've been wondering if Castle was getting more PG minutes if PATFO was just trying to level him up (if that makes sense) and deal with the growing pains. Frustrating as hell when I want to be watching win more than I want to watch them grow.

I'm not sure how much of an identity we have on offense other than Wemby ball. Hopefully getting Devin back opens up the offense more. We desperately need outside shooting, Julian cant do it all.

I think we would rather Castle make mistakes now than in May and June for sure and of Fox, Harper, and Castle, Castle clearly has the worst feel. Get him the reps, especially when his shot isn't falling.

Devin will help open everything up. If Bryant starts to come in and hit a couple threes, that will help a lot, especially because he is going to be a guy that can guard 1-5.

Now we just need to trade Olynyk for Portis.
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Another listless performance where dylan somehow pulls us out of the auto-loss. Love this kid.
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Good point on mistakes now vs May/June. God we need an upgrade at the 4 so bad.
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Looks like we have taken control of the game and then give up an 11-0 run behind a barrage of turnovers, misses shots, and missed free throws. Sheesh.
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FTAG 2000 said:

What does our assistant who does replay review look at? They ball was off Pelicans clear as day on replay and we didnt challenge.

What a ****ing loser.


We are the worst challenging team by far.
 
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