SWC Ag said:

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McGraw is Costner's great grandfather.
Dabney Coleman is McGraw's grandson.

Y'all think way too much.

Not even gonna comment on the dude above wondering if the kid in 1883 is Costner.

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Sorry I'm not as perfect as you. I was just clarifying on the time line of when Yellowstone was supposed to be set having not watched any of 1883 yet other than the snippets within Yellowstone. I didn't truly believe the kid in 1883 is Constner, just trying to get an idea of the generations between 1883 and Yellowstone. I don't have a wall of timeline mapped out like you do apparently.

Aaron4885 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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McGraw is Costner's great grandfather.
Dabney Coleman is McGraw's grandson.

Y'all think way too much.

Not even gonna comment on the dude above wondering if the kid in 1883 is Costner.

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Sorry I'm not as perfect as you. I was just clarifying on the time line of when Yellowstone was supposed to be set having not watched any of 1883 yet other than the snippets within Yellowstone. I didn't truly believe the kid in 1883 is Constner, just trying to get an idea of the generations between 1883 and Yellowstone. I don't have a wall of timeline mapped out like you do apparently.

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John explicitly said his grandfather settled the land. I'm thinking McGraw is his Grandfather and Coleman is the same John we see in 1883.

texags08 said:

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Aaron4885 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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McGraw is Costner's great grandfather.
Dabney Coleman is McGraw's grandson.

Y'all think way too much.

Not even gonna comment on the dude above wondering if the kid in 1883 is Costner.

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Sorry I'm not as perfect as you. I was just clarifying on the time line of when Yellowstone was supposed to be set having not watched any of 1883 yet other than the snippets within Yellowstone. I didn't truly believe the kid in 1883 is Constner, just trying to get an idea of the generations between 1883 and Yellowstone. I don't have a wall of timeline mapped out like you do apparently.

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John explicitly said his grandfather settled the land. I'm thinking McGraw is his Grandfather and Coleman is the same John we see in 1883.

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I guess if you try real hard and make some pretty far fetched assumptions, you can make that math work.

More likely explanation is Sheridan didn't think all this through and his various storylines don't jive.

Edit-I don't see any way to make that math work. The 1883 kid had to be born around 1878. Yellowstone is set in the present day judging by the trucks and Costner is in his 60s. Even if the kid lived to be 100, he dies in 1978. That's 43 years ago. Costner was clearly grown and looked to be in his 40s when he died, not a teenager.

JCA1 said:

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texags08 said:

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Aaron4885 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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McGraw is Costner's great grandfather.
Dabney Coleman is McGraw's grandson.

Y'all think way too much.

Not even gonna comment on the dude above wondering if the kid in 1883 is Costner.

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Sorry I'm not as perfect as you. I was just clarifying on the time line of when Yellowstone was supposed to be set having not watched any of 1883 yet other than the snippets within Yellowstone. I didn't truly believe the kid in 1883 is Constner, just trying to get an idea of the generations between 1883 and Yellowstone. I don't have a wall of timeline mapped out like you do apparently.

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John explicitly said his grandfather settled the land. I'm thinking McGraw is his Grandfather and Coleman is the same John we see in 1883.

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I guess if you try real hard and make some pretty far fetched assumptions, you can make that math work.

More likely explanation is Sheridan didn't think all this through and his various storylines don't jive.

Edit-I don't see any way to make that math work. The 1883 kid had to be born around 1878. Yellowstone is set in the present day judging by the trucks and Costner is in his 60s. Even if the kid lived to be 100, he dies in 1978. That's 43 years ago. Costner was clearly grown and looked to be in his 40s when he died, not a teenager.

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I get it, but why would johns dad that died in Yellowstone be referred to as John Sr.? He would be Jr. with Costner being the third.

I can suspend reality if they just completely gloss over the continuity problems they have cause. But I also think that it could be a major part of the story, and that's why they aren't going very deep on it yet.

Monument in Green is a song by Big Head Todd and the Monsters that basically tells the story Sheridan is telling-a family heading west in the 1800s and the legacy left behind. Really cool tune.

texags08 said:

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I think it is being subtle on purpose as some of those things might be part of the story going forward.

Did we ever see John's dad in the first 2 seasons of Yellowstone?

John says his Grandfather settled the land, so either John in 1883 is his grandfather and Tim McGraw never makes it, or John in 1883 was in his 70's when he fathered Costners character meaning McGraws character settled it.

I'm leaning towards McGraw never makes it to that actual Yellowstone ranch, but gets them to Montana. Then John in 1883 is the one that really gets things going once he grows up.

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I thought he said his grandfather built the lodge. Land could've been settled by Great grandfather.

mazzag said:

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texags08 said:

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I think it is being subtle on purpose as some of those things might be part of the story going forward.

Did we ever see John's dad in the first 2 seasons of Yellowstone?

John says his Grandfather settled the land, so either John in 1883 is his grandfather and Tim McGraw never makes it, or John in 1883 was in his 70's when he fathered Costners character meaning McGraws character settled it.

I'm leaning towards McGraw never makes it to that actual Yellowstone ranch, but gets them to Montana. Then John in 1883 is the one that really gets things going once he grows up.

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I thought he said his grandfather built the lodge. Land could've been settled by Great grandfather.

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Makes sense. I'll just shut up and watch now, I'm sure it will be made clear at least by the end of 1883 season 1. I'm known to overthink things.

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PLOT TWIST M.NIGHT SHYMALAN STYLE.

That magical hot tub thing they sat in is actually a form of "tree of life" and gives forever lasting age.

John Dutton is actually about 90 years old. His dad died at around 120. Cancer got him.

CANT SELL THE RANCH.

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THE LAZARUS PIT!!!!! That explains SOOOOOO much!

Probably the same set lol. "No way anyone will notice"

JCRiley09 said:

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Beth and Rip treated it like a historic, important house. Assuming they were in Montana, it's very likely that it was the same house purposefully.

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Makes sense over how they all reacted when it was burned. My thought was "meh one of the dozens of houses on this property" but maybe it was the original.

FWIW - we're all looking past the obvious in the genealogy - the brand. Getting branded with that Yellowstone brand is central to the theme of this show. That is the common thread that goes back through time - that means something - that draws it all together. Getting branded started somewhere - for a reason - and became the foundation of what that ranch is built on.

What does the brand do? If makes you a permanent part of that physical place. It makes you family, in a sense.

Was John Dutton a waif who wandered in like Rip and Carter? An adoptee like Jamie? Rip is now family, even though there is no record of where he came from. This alternate concept of "family" probably explains what John Dutton meant when he said his grandfather settled the land. I don't doubt he sees 1883 James Dutton as his grandfather. But the actual relationship is likely related more to burned flesh than actual blood.

The 1883 episode..... pretty good but I have a question.

I'm fine with suspending disbelief generally and I get that TS wanted the jumping off point to be Hells Half Acre in Ft. Worth ....it's a texas thing he wanted to show..... fine......but

Exactly how did 50+ immigrants from Germany (and maybe Poland/Czech) get to Ft. Worth with all of their worldly possessions and oxen but no wagons no horses and nobody spoke English.

Did their boat sail up the Brazos??? lol
FW is not some port city and getting there from the east coast seems improbable.
Or they had enough money to get there but not further, except they do have the money to pay for protection, etc.

Just seemed like a really flimsy (or unexplained) premise to start with.

Or did I miss something.

Yeah I assumed maybe Galveston as well. But that's like 300+ miles anyway.

Oh well...... moving on... nothing to see there.

Galveston is where my ancestors came in around the same time and they settled in the Shiner/Yoakum area. Times like this I wish I had more info.

Many German immigrants, especially those associated with the Aldesverein, even if they originally landed in Galveston, took transport down to Indianola. From there they made their way to the Fisher-Miller Land Grants.

My German ancestors came to texas via Indianola.

AJ02 said:

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My German ancestors came to texas via Indianola.

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Same

Can anyone remind me where Jamie's baby momma came from? Don't remember that story line and thoroughly confused tonight about her reaction to real dad's past.